WOULD YOU VACCINATE TO BE ABLE TO WATCH SPORTS

[swag_tiger]

Will not be getting the experimental jab. As Harvey alluded to, it does not work the way a normal safe vaccine works. A vaccine normally offers 2 things:
1. Immunity
2. Stop transmission

This jab does neither.

There is alao NO data on long term effects of the jab. Some experts are saying it may cause auto immune disorders, alzheimers in the elderly and blood clots leading to death (this we already know).

Unfortunately alot of this information (while available), is being heavily censored.

Please don't misquote me. No vaccination offers complete immunity to catching an illness, they stimulate your immune system so that you are able to fight the virus off before it can do serious damage.

Covid is like the Flu. There's not going to be a vaccine that will counter the virus permanently. New vaccines will always have to be updated.

What's the point of getting 'vaccinated' against covid then? Why not just let your natural immune system fight it? Thats what our immune systems are therebfor

Will not be getting the experimental jab. As Harvey alluded to, it does not work the way a normal safe vaccine works. A vaccine normally offers 2 things:
1. Immunity
2. Stop transmission

This jab does neither.

There is alao NO data on long term effects of the jab. Some experts are saying it may cause auto immune disorders, alzheimers in the elderly and blood clots leading to death (this we already know).

Unfortunately alot of this information (while available), is being heavily censored.

Please don't misquote me. No vaccination offers complete immunity to catching an illness, they stimulate your immune system so that you are able to fight the virus off before it can do serious damage.

Covid is like the Flu. There's not going to be a vaccine that will counter the virus permanently. New vaccines will always have to be updated.

Whats the point of getting vaccinated against covid then? Why not just let your immune system deal with it? Thats what our natural immune system is meant to do. Attack foreign material

Because 10000s of people will die under that method.

If we don't get on top of this with being vaccinated we will end up like the UK,USA ,ITALY & INDIA with 100000s of deaths and our hospital even though we live in 1st world country the Australian Hospital System will not be able to handle the number of sick people

I don't think any country would be able to handle those numbers.

 

[jirskyr]

If you want to play Russian Roulette with your health and go to packed events like the footy while unvaccinated, you should be free to do so.

Those unvaccinated folks increase the risk for vaccinated persons.

Vaccinated persons can still get COVID, can still transmit it, and can still get sick. Vaccines aren't perfect. That's the part a significant number of the "hesitants" can't get their head around, that vaccines are about population-wide risk reduction, not a perfect drug that cures everything. So every time there's a vaccinated infection or hospitalisation, they jump up and down like baboons and screech at the vaccine.

But if you give enough people vaccine over time, the disease cannot take hold in populations and gradually the infection rates subside. This is how we conquered polio, smallpox, got on top of measles, mumps, rubella, typhoid etc.

COVID may mutate like flu and we'll need annual boosters. Or it won't and instead be more like measles where you need high vaccination rates and vigilance if there are outbreaks.

But the issue with unvaccinated is they have the highest risk of everything - of death, serious disease, viral load, transmission, severity of sickness, duration of sickness. Large populations of unvaccinated for a novel disease increase the chance of viral mutations, like delta strain.

So overall it's not just about the ethics of trying to keep unvaccinated people safe (for their own good), it's about preventing the highest at-risk population from exposing that risk to vaccinated populations. It may well be that ultimately the risk of increase COVID infections at the football is no worse than the train station or shops, but specifically for smaller indoor venues like cafes, cinemas, gyms etc. there may be a significant risk increase.

 

[voice_of_reason]

No and not to travel, go to the movies or anything else that they are threatening to bar me from

What about for the safety of yourself and your family?

 

[jirskyr]

No and not to travel, go to the movies or anything else that they are threatening to bar me from
Coercion is a dangerous thing
And before I get told to follow the science, that can be bought and paid for and much of it is

So you reckon science on a global level has been bought by... someone, to, what, fake COVID and sell fake vaccines on people? You don't reckon we'd quickly find out if it wasn't real. Do you reckon they can fake 4.2 million global deaths?

Tell me one time global consensus science has been bought by someone.

 

[jirskyr]

Im not anti Vax.

But I want to see more evidence that this jab works especially if they want to vax my kids.

What evidence do you need? They've already published the papers that show the vaccines work, and they've been accepted by the health authorities. I don't know if there is a health authority in the world that hasn't approved a COVID vaccine.

The jab works, the science is in. We've known for over 7 months now.

I've encountered this comment often in the last 12 months. I find it interesting because people with absolutely no expertise in drugs or drug development are passing commentary on what is normal or acceptable for approvals.

The TGA has already done the work for you - they are responsible for review and approval of 100% of drugs sold in Australia.

I don't know if the data is out yet for small kids, and until it is, they probably won't vax them. But small kids get a bunch of vaccines as standard already, it would just be another.

 

[voice_of_reason]

Whats the point of getting vaccinated against covid then? Why not just let your immune system deal with it? Thats what our natural immune system is meant to do. Attack foreign material

So you'd be happy to get infected and test the theory?

I think most of us would prefer a stimulated immune response.

It amazes me that at 4.3 MILLION deaths already we're still debating whether protection is a good idea. Not to mention the many millions more with long COVID and who may never live a normal life again.

 

[jirskyr]

No and not to travel, go to the movies or anything else that they are threatening to bar me from
Coercion is a dangerous thing
And before I get told to follow the science, that can be bought and paid for and much of it is

Just wondering ... what's your thoughts on climate change?

Please refer to my last sentence

Ahhh ...ok. No surpirse there. Are you in Sydney? Did you got to that protest rally in the city a couple of weekends ago?

Would you care to share a clear face pic of yourself? Just askin'

I’m happily married Tragic, try your luck elsewhere

And the 1974 NASA article about the coming Ice age

You don't think we've come some way since 1974? 1974 was 47 years ago, which is closer to Word War II (by a significant margin) than it is to today. They didn't have home computers or smartphones. They even there was vegetation on Mars.

As @mike said - the beauty of science is you keep testing your hypotheses and making improvements or corrections if you find new evidence.

But that is not to say that because some folks made incorrect predictions 50 years ago that all predictions are wrong, or will be proven wrong, or are pointless. Einstein made a hell of a lot of predictions between 1900-1955 and they were correct. Climate change is no longer a prediction, because they knew about global warming in the 1980s. The evidence is in - increased CO2 in the atmosphere, record temperatures year after year and increase in extreme weather.

Even the very computer or phone you use to visit the internet, the internet itself, the car you drive, any medications you take, your television and radio, toaster, microwave, fridge, lawnmower - all developed by scientists and engineers. Funny how you don't seem to have an issue with that?

 

[philgood]

Whats the point of getting vaccinated against covid then? Why not just let your immune system deal with it? Thats what our natural immune system is meant to do. Attack foreign material

So you'd be happy to get infected and test the theory?

I think most of us would prefer a stimulated immune response.

It amazes me that at 4.3 MILLION deaths already we're still debating whether protection is a good idea. Not to mention the many millions more with long COVID and who my never live a normal life again.

Ive had 20 of my relatives overseas contract covid and ALL 20 have recovered. Including 1 aunty who is a 75 year old diabetic and another aunty whi had no symptoms at all.

COVID is definitely real but it mass vaccinations are not the answer. Most of the hospitalisations in UK and Israel are from people who have already been vaccinated.

Im not here to change anyone's mind. But coercion to get vaccinated is absolutely criminal. Especially considering numerous doctors on the frontline were having fantastic results using Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective). But do a google search on the drug and

 

[jirskyr]

Why discriminate against people if your vaccinated you have your shield wrapped around you

And why would Business discriminate against making a dollar ? 40 percent won't get vaccinated

I have explained to you many times that that is not how vaccinations work.

He's got his shield wrapped around his ears and brain.

 

[jirskyr]

I’m on the waitlist, it is what it is. I don’t buy into the conspiracy theories. If the government was trying to kill us, why would they publicise figures of people dying from the vaccine?

I’m in no way saying the government is trying to kill us but ........
Do they really publicise them though?
The TGA reporting is unclear on links and anecdotally far from a complete record

You have expertise in understanding drug safety reporting?

 

[Harvey]

Whats the point of getting vaccinated against covid then? Why not just let your immune system deal with it? Thats what our natural immune system is meant to do. Attack foreign material

So you'd be happy to get infected and test the theory?

I think most of us would prefer a stimulated immune response.

It amazes me that at 4.3 MILLION deaths already we're still debating whether protection is a good idea. Not to mention the many millions more with long COVID and who my never live a normal life again.

Ive had 20 of my relatives overseas contract covid and ALL 20 have recovered. Including 1 aunty who is a 75 year old diabetic and another aunty whi had no symptoms at all.

COVID is definitely real but it mass vaccinations are not the answer. Most of the hospitalisations in UK and Israel are from people who have already been vaccinated.

Im not here to change anyone's mind. But coercion to get vaccinated is absolutely criminal. Especially considering numerous doctors on the frontline were having fantastic results using Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective). But do a google search on the drug and

Any statistic to support the most people in hospital are vaccinated statement?

 

[compensate]

I'd get vaccinated to stop watching them.

Just don’t switch the tele on every week. Not that hard. Real fans sit there and suffer

 

[philgood]

Disinformation is what you'll find despite may doctors saying Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) had tremendous results. I would suggest people google Dr Peter McCullough on this subject

 

[Harvey]

No and not to travel, go to the movies or anything else that they are threatening to bar me from
Coercion is a dangerous thing
And before I get told to follow the science, that can be bought and paid for and much of it is

So you reckon science on a global level has been bought by... someone, to, what, fake COVID and sell fake vaccines on people? You don't reckon we'd quickly find out if it wasn't real. Do you reckon they can fake 4.2 million global deaths?

Tell me one time global consensus science has been bought by someone.

It's Bill Gates I tell you. Part of his global mind control program

 

[philgood]

No and not to travel, go to the movies or anything else that they are threatening to bar me from
Coercion is a dangerous thing
And before I get told to follow the science, that can be bought and paid for and much of it is

So you reckon science on a global level has been bought by... someone, to, what, fake COVID and sell fake vaccines on people? You don't reckon we'd quickly find out if it wasn't real. Do you reckon they can fake 4.2 million global deaths?

Tell me one time global consensus science has been bought by someone.

It's Bill Gates I tell you. Part of his global mind control program

Wouldnt go that far

 

[swag_tiger]

Out of all the deaths so far all but 1 hadn't been vaccinated and the person only had 1 of the 2 jabs needed and 90% of the people in hospital atm haven't been vaccinated. If that's not evidence the vaccine is working I don't know what is.

 

[philgood]

From the horse's mouth
https://www.facebook.com/107999601094256/posts/257129532847928/

 

[jirskyr]

Why discriminate against people if your vaccinated you have your shield wrapped around you

And why would Business discriminate against making a dollar ? 40 percent won't get vaccinated

In basic terms there are groups of people that are unable to be vaccinated for valid reasons including their age, alergies, being immunocompromised etc. who are at high risk if they get ill.

That is what shits me about people who refuse vaccination talking about their right to personal freedom and their right to choose. I absolutely agree with those rights, as long as they live somewhere where they are completely self sufficient and have no interaction with other humans that do not share their beliefs.

Most kids that die from whooping cough are too young to be vaccinated and have picked it up from someone wandering around in the community with it who has chosen not to be vaccinated because they consider the risk to themselves low.

If you vaccinated it does not stop you from getting Covid or passing it on so you will still hurt the people you mentioned

Yes, but if enough people get vaccinated the impact on the population is very small. Nobody dies, hospitalisation is minimised and the chances of passing it on is vastly reduced.

So they are collateral damage if your vaccinated

No, if enough people are vaccinated the risk to the unvaccinated ( those that cannot be vaccinated ) is greatly reduced as well. That’s how vaccines work. Once enough people get vaccinated there is not enough people to infect for the virus to survive.

But it's not a traditional vaccine there is none of the virus in it not like chicken poxs when they give you a small amount to induce a immune response

What does it matter which technology they use? There are many types of vaccine that are effective, same as there are many ways to treat heart disease or pain or inflammation or reflux.

 

[tig_prmz]

LOL I can't believe a technology that is a century old gets debated this much still.

Not sure if anyone here knows this but in order to work in hospitals/aged cares, all health care workers have to be vaccinated against strains of DPT, small pox, Hep B etc. The health workers are doing their bit.

Just do yours.

Don't antagonise it for the sake of it.

 

[swag_tiger]

Of everyone vaccinated only 29 people have had complications and only 9 have died from them. All the risks of the vaccine are being blown out of proportion imo.