WT Player Recruitment & Retention for 2020

[JD Tiger]

From Wikipedia (and Ive heard these before so I think they're right.

Season Salary cap Minimum wage Club grant
2022 $10M $120,000 $13M
2021 $9.9M $115,000 $13M
2020 $9.8M $110,000 $13M
2019 $9.6M $105,000 $13M
2018 $9.4M $100,000 $13M

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rugby_League_salary_cap#:~:text=The%20minimum%20wage%20for%20each,to%20%2413.9%20million%20per%20club..)

Edit: Sorry for the poor table structure, tab doesn't work and adding more spaces doesn't do anything either.

 

[PrattenParkMagpie]

From Wikipedia (and Ive heard these before so I think they're right.

Season Salary cap Minimum wage Club grant
2022 $10M $120,000 $13M
2021 $9.9M $115,000 $13M
2020 $9.8M $110,000 $13M
2019 $9.6M $105,000 $13M
2018 $9.4M $100,000 $13M

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rugby_League_salary_cap#:~:text=The%20minimum%20wage%20for%20each,to%20%2413.9%20million%20per%20club..)

Edit: Sorry for the poor table structure, tab doesn't work and adding more spaces doesn't do anything either.

This is correct, minimum for 2021 is $115,000 but that is for players in the top 26, the minimum for players 27-30 is $77,500, however you would expect the 4 development players joining the NRL squad for 2021 to likely be players 27-30 salary wise.

 

[balmain boy]

Bit worrying McIntyre hasn’t re-signed

With Madge and Pascoe away for the week things may start to move next week who knows they may have been on a road trip for recruiting purposes???????

Fingers definitely crossed one of their priorities is a contract for Sam.

Sam has not spoke to anybody, so those boys were definitely not up here.
If he is a priority the club is not showing it in his contract offer.
So does anybody body here think 100k is a reasonable offer!
The development boys are close to that
He said it's quite insulting really!

100k is an insult not an offer.Very disappointing if that is all we are offering

Its too low and 150-175k would be about right. But at the same time I imagine the club has said something like we can only offer you 100k at the moment but we're working on done deals to free up some space but we value you a lot so hang tight and we'll get back to you.

Players at his end of the cap can always find a club, even late in pre season.

Show me an apprentice that gets paid around that much.
And at this stage of his career that’s all he is.
Second year syndrome will determine his true value.

Isn’t minimum wage 110k ? I seriously don’t believe that poster at all. He’s probably been offered minimum for next year due to our rubbish salary cap and an upgrade for the second and third year. He’s played like 10 nrl games . And started 1 . He could be worth a lot more , but he isn’t right now . We have to stop paying for potential , and in kind reward those who show loyalty , and a desire to develop here .
There needs to be clear pathways for remuneration . Ie. if you sign for your correct value , you will then get the upgrade to your correct value if your price rises.
This time last year most on here were saying who is this useless bludger McIntyre taking up a top 30 position. He had a good year, and if he backs it up next year , we should reward him , once the 3mil of dead weight is off from around our neck.

Depends ...... $750 per week equals $110k per year than I want you in my accounting team.

Where did you get 750 a week From ? I’m almost certain that minimum wage for a top 30 position is 110k. It came in with the last CBA , when everything went to 9mil . From memory it was the sticking point of NRLPAs negotiations. I could be dreaming that though .

https://www.fairwork.gov.au/how-we-will-help/templates-and-guides/fact-sheets/minimum-workplace-entitlements/minimum-wages

Lol minimum wage for a top 30 player . Not the actual minimum wage . The EBA dictates how much a minimum nrl contract is worth . And I’m almost certain it’s 100k .

If you reread the thread I mentioned that lots of apprentices would be happy to get $100k .... and I consider (after only limited time in first grade) Sam’s in that category and nowhere near what apparently his agent is currently asking.

With the cut to the salary cap and WTs carrying a number of poor contracts, this is an unfortunate impact. I hope WTs can come to an agreement with him but he has to do what is best for him.

There still hasn't been any confirmation about what the cut to the cap will be, or how it will be applied. With the players likely to take an equal % cut to what the cap reduction is, then bad contracts won't hamper the cap situation anymore than they do now. The same % of cap will still be available.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Bit worrying McIntyre hasn’t re-signed

With Madge and Pascoe away for the week things may start to move next week who knows they may have been on a road trip for recruiting purposes???????

Fingers definitely crossed one of their priorities is a contract for Sam.

Sam has not spoke to anybody, so those boys were definitely not up here.
If he is a priority the club is not showing it in his contract offer.
So does anybody body here think 100k is a reasonable offer!
The development boys are close to that
He said it's quite insulting really!

100k is an insult not an offer.Very disappointing if that is all we are offering

Its too low and 150-175k would be about right. But at the same time I imagine the club has said something like we can only offer you 100k at the moment but we're working on done deals to free up some space but we value you a lot so hang tight and we'll get back to you.

Players at his end of the cap can always find a club, even late in pre season.

Show me an apprentice that gets paid around that much.
And at this stage of his career that’s all he is.
Second year syndrome will determine his true value.

Isn’t minimum wage 110k ? I seriously don’t believe that poster at all. He’s probably been offered minimum for next year due to our rubbish salary cap and an upgrade for the second and third year. He’s played like 10 nrl games . And started 1 . He could be worth a lot more , but he isn’t right now . We have to stop paying for potential , and in kind reward those who show loyalty , and a desire to develop here .
There needs to be clear pathways for remuneration . Ie. if you sign for your correct value , you will then get the upgrade to your correct value if your price rises.
This time last year most on here were saying who is this useless bludger McIntyre taking up a top 30 position. He had a good year, and if he backs it up next year , we should reward him , once the 3mil of dead weight is off from around our neck.

Depends ...... $750 per week equals $110k per year than I want you in my accounting team.

Where did you get 750 a week From ? I’m almost certain that minimum wage for a top 30 position is 110k. It came in with the last CBA , when everything went to 9mil . From memory it was the sticking point of NRLPAs negotiations. I could be dreaming that though .

https://www.fairwork.gov.au/how-we-will-help/templates-and-guides/fact-sheets/minimum-workplace-entitlements/minimum-wages

Lol minimum wage for a top 30 player . Not the actual minimum wage . The EBA dictates how much a minimum nrl contract is worth . And I’m almost certain it’s 100k .

If you reread the thread I mentioned that lots of apprentices would be happy to get $100k .... and I consider (after only limited time in first grade) Sam’s in that category and nowhere near what apparently his agent is currently asking.

With the cut to the salary cap and WTs carrying a number of poor contracts, this is an unfortunate impact. I hope WTs can come to an agreement with him but he has to do what is best for him.

There still hasn't been any confirmation about what the cut to the cap will be, or how it will be applied. With the players likely to take an equal % cut to what the cap reduction is, then bad contracts won't hamper the cap situation anymore than they do now. The same % of cap will still be available.

That will be the same percentage of a smaller pie. It's got to hurt a few.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

James Tedesco’s deal with the Roosters has been delayed until after the season due to reports of some pretty extreme demands from the superstar fullback.

The Daily Telegraph reported in September that Tedesco had all but locked up a five-year $6 million contract to finish his career at the Tri-colours, but negotiations have stalled.

Brent Read told Triple M that the length of the deal is a point of conjecture, with the Roosters keen for a three-year deal, while Tedesco’s camp wants more.

Things might change after last night.

Doubt it, he's still the best fullback in the game.

 

[balmain boy]

Bit worrying McIntyre hasn’t re-signed

With Madge and Pascoe away for the week things may start to move next week who knows they may have been on a road trip for recruiting purposes???????

Fingers definitely crossed one of their priorities is a contract for Sam.

Sam has not spoke to anybody, so those boys were definitely not up here.
If he is a priority the club is not showing it in his contract offer.
So does anybody body here think 100k is a reasonable offer!
The development boys are close to that
He said it's quite insulting really!

100k is an insult not an offer.Very disappointing if that is all we are offering

Its too low and 150-175k would be about right. But at the same time I imagine the club has said something like we can only offer you 100k at the moment but we're working on done deals to free up some space but we value you a lot so hang tight and we'll get back to you.

Players at his end of the cap can always find a club, even late in pre season.

Show me an apprentice that gets paid around that much.
And at this stage of his career that’s all he is.
Second year syndrome will determine his true value.

Isn’t minimum wage 110k ? I seriously don’t believe that poster at all. He’s probably been offered minimum for next year due to our rubbish salary cap and an upgrade for the second and third year. He’s played like 10 nrl games . And started 1 . He could be worth a lot more , but he isn’t right now . We have to stop paying for potential , and in kind reward those who show loyalty , and a desire to develop here .
There needs to be clear pathways for remuneration . Ie. if you sign for your correct value , you will then get the upgrade to your correct value if your price rises.
This time last year most on here were saying who is this useless bludger McIntyre taking up a top 30 position. He had a good year, and if he backs it up next year , we should reward him , once the 3mil of dead weight is off from around our neck.

Depends ...... $750 per week equals $110k per year than I want you in my accounting team.

Where did you get 750 a week From ? I’m almost certain that minimum wage for a top 30 position is 110k. It came in with the last CBA , when everything went to 9mil . From memory it was the sticking point of NRLPAs negotiations. I could be dreaming that though .

https://www.fairwork.gov.au/how-we-will-help/templates-and-guides/fact-sheets/minimum-workplace-entitlements/minimum-wages

Lol minimum wage for a top 30 player . Not the actual minimum wage . The EBA dictates how much a minimum nrl contract is worth . And I’m almost certain it’s 100k .

If you reread the thread I mentioned that lots of apprentices would be happy to get $100k .... and I consider (after only limited time in first grade) Sam’s in that category and nowhere near what apparently his agent is currently asking.

With the cut to the salary cap and WTs carrying a number of poor contracts, this is an unfortunate impact. I hope WTs can come to an agreement with him but he has to do what is best for him.

There still hasn't been any confirmation about what the cut to the cap will be, or how it will be applied. With the players likely to take an equal % cut to what the cap reduction is, then bad contracts won't hamper the cap situation anymore than they do now. The same % of cap will still be available.

That will be the same percentage of a smaller pie. It's got to hurt a few.

No, if implemented correctly it shouldn't change a thing, other than how much players will be earning.

Say we have 15% left in our 2021 cap, if the cap decreases by 10%, we will stay have 15% of our cap left to spend, however rather than say one million to spend, we'll have 850k. But then rather than paying a new player 500k we'd be paying 450k, so it evens out.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I take it you disagree Paws?

 

[voice_of_reason]

This is correct, minimum for 2021 is $115,000 but that is for players in the top 26, the minimum for players 27-30 is $77,500, however you would expect the 4 development players joining the NRL squad for 2021 to likely be players 27-30 salary wise.

I sometimes wonder if NRL players realise how lucky they are. They get to do what they love and (assuming they're not development 'apprentices') are going to get a minimum $115,000.

Compare that to the average Australian wage of $89,128 or the median wage of $48,360 and they're doing pretty well for themselves.

Yes, I understand the working life of a footballer is limited (10-15 years), but let's not be blind to the fact if they manage their money well they could easily set themselves up for life during their playing career.

Also consider the lucrative jobs they seem to find themselves in after football. Most of the current commentators can barely string a word together and certainly wouldn't get work in the 'normal' media.

I wonder how many on here are earning more than $115,000 a year for doing what they really love, let alone comparing to the players getting 5 or 6 times that.

 

[weststigerman]

I take it you disagree Paws?

I'm getting a Balmain vs Wests vibe in the whole "Papenhuyzen is our best junior ever" and dismissing Tedesco thing.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

This is correct, minimum for 2021 is $115,000 but that is for players in the top 26, the minimum for players 27-30 is $77,500, however you would expect the 4 development players joining the NRL squad for 2021 to likely be players 27-30 salary wise.

I sometimes wonder if NRL players realise how lucky they are. They get to do what they love and (assuming they're not development 'apprentices') are going to get a minimum $115,000.

Compare that to the average Australian wage of $89,128 or the median wage of $48,360 and they're doing pretty well for themselves.

Yes, I understand the working life of a footballer is limited (10-15 years), but let's not be blind to the fact if they manage their money well they could easily set themselves up for life during their playing career.

Also consider the lucrative jobs they seem to find themselves in after football. Most of the current commentators can barely string a word together and certainly wouldn't get work in the 'normal' media.

I wonder how many on here are earning more than $115,000 a year for doing what they really love, let alone comparing to the players getting 5 or 6 times that.

This is ? the point I was making . I’m all for the kids earning as much as they can , but to imply 100k for a kid who has played roughly 10 NRL games , of which he was solid, not best on ground , is insulting , says more about the person implying it’s insulting than it does the person offering the money . At his age the biggest and most important thing he should be after is opportunity . To grow , be taught , and solidify his NRL career. You can chase the coin , go to a Warriors , and languish in position 18-21 for the duration of the contract and be playing for Leigh in a few years. Which is the rule not the exception . Or stay where you have runs on the board , are respected and trusted , as well as truely grow as a footy player .
The grass is rarely greener , unless your being screwed over like a Tapau , Brown etc . He is not that player , he has a spot if he wants it.

 

[Russell]

This is correct, minimum for 2021 is $115,000 but that is for players in the top 26, the minimum for players 27-30 is $77,500, however you would expect the 4 development players joining the NRL squad for 2021 to likely be players 27-30 salary wise.

I sometimes wonder if NRL players realise how lucky they are. They get to do what they love and (assuming they're not development 'apprentices') are going to get a minimum $115,000.

Compare that to the average Australian wage of $89,128 or the median wage of $48,360 and they're doing pretty well for themselves.

Yes, I understand the working life of a footballer is limited (10-15 years), but let's not be blind to the fact if they manage their money well they could easily set themselves up for life during their playing career.

Also consider the lucrative jobs they seem to find themselves in after football. Most of the current commentators can barely string a word together and certainly wouldn't get work in the 'normal' media.

I wonder how many on here are earning more than $115,000 a year for doing what they really love, let alone comparing to the players getting 5 or 6 times that.

This is ? the point I was making . I’m all for the kids earning as much as they can , but to imply 100k for a kid who has played roughly 10 NRL games , of which he was solid, not best on ground , is insulting , says more about the person implying it’s insulting than it does the person offering the money . At his age the biggest and most important thing he should be after is opportunity . To grow , be taught , and solidify his NRL career. You can chase the coin , go to a Warriors , and languish in position 18-21 for the duration of the contract and be playing for Leigh in a few years. Which is the rule not the exception . Or stay where you have runs on the board , are respected and trusted , as well as truely grow as a footy player .
The grass is rarely greener , unless your being screwed over like a Tapau , Brown etc . He is not that player , he has a spot if he wants it.

Does he have a spot, has he been offered a spot, does he want the spot - who knows? just speculation on our part.

You could hardly set yourself up for life on 100k per year for 8 years. Don't blame him for going for a bit more, say 130k. If they don't want to give it to him - that's ok. No harm in asking, and then it's his decision stay or go.

I think he is worth the bit more myself.

 

[coxy1]

This is correct, minimum for 2021 is $115,000 but that is for players in the top 26, the minimum for players 27-30 is $77,500, however you would expect the 4 development players joining the NRL squad for 2021 to likely be players 27-30 salary wise.

I sometimes wonder if NRL players realise how lucky they are. They get to do what they love and (assuming they're not development 'apprentices') are going to get a minimum $115,000.

Compare that to the average Australian wage of $89,128 or the median wage of $48,360 and they're doing pretty well for themselves.

Yes, I understand the working life of a footballer is limited (10-15 years), but let's not be blind to the fact if they manage their money well they could easily set themselves up for life during their playing career.

Also consider the lucrative jobs they seem to find themselves in after football. Most of the current commentators can barely string a word together and certainly wouldn't get work in the 'normal' media.

I wonder how many on here are earning more than $115,000 a year for doing what they really love, let alone comparing to the players getting 5 or 6 times that.

This is ? the point I was making . I’m all for the kids earning as much as they can , but to imply 100k for a kid who has played roughly 10 NRL games , of which he was solid, not best on ground , is insulting , says more about the person implying it’s insulting than it does the person offering the money . At his age the biggest and most important thing he should be after is opportunity . To grow , be taught , and solidify his NRL career. You can chase the coin , go to a Warriors , and languish in position 18-21 for the duration of the contract and be playing for Leigh in a few years. Which is the rule not the exception . Or stay where you have runs on the board , are respected and trusted , as well as truely grow as a footy player .
The grass is rarely greener , unless your being screwed over like a Tapau , Brown etc . He is not that player , he has a spot if he wants it.

Does he have a spot, has he been offered a spot, does he want the spot - who knows? just speculation on our part.

You could hardly set yourself up for life on 100k per year for 8 years. Don't blame him for going for a bit more, say 130k. If they don't want to give it to him - that's ok. No harm in asking, and then it's his decision stay or go.

I think he is worth the bit more myself.

I think my comments on insulting have been taken the wrong way.
Sam's contract this year was more than they were offering for next year.
Considering he debut and played 12 games, started a couple . I don't think that deserves a pay cut.
How many players in the nrl would have had this amount of improvement in a season and be rewarded a pay cut?
He knows his place in the pecking order, he doesn't think he is a star. But he doesn't deserve a pay cut!
Thats what my comment was about.

 

[tiger05premier]

This is correct, minimum for 2021 is $115,000 but that is for players in the top 26, the minimum for players 27-30 is $77,500, however you would expect the 4 development players joining the NRL squad for 2021 to likely be players 27-30 salary wise.

I sometimes wonder if NRL players realise how lucky they are. They get to do what they love and (assuming they're not development 'apprentices') are going to get a minimum $115,000.

Compare that to the average Australian wage of $89,128 or the median wage of $48,360 and they're doing pretty well for themselves.

Yes, I understand the working life of a footballer is limited (10-15 years), but let's not be blind to the fact if they manage their money well they could easily set themselves up for life during their playing career.

Also consider the lucrative jobs they seem to find themselves in after football. Most of the current commentators can barely string a word together and certainly wouldn't get work in the 'normal' media.

I wonder how many on here are earning more than $115,000 a year for doing what they really love, let alone comparing to the players getting 5 or 6 times that.

This is ? the point I was making . I’m all for the kids earning as much as they can , but to imply 100k for a kid who has played roughly 10 NRL games , of which he was solid, not best on ground , is insulting , says more about the person implying it’s insulting than it does the person offering the money . At his age the biggest and most important thing he should be after is opportunity . To grow , be taught , and solidify his NRL career. You can chase the coin , go to a Warriors , and languish in position 18-21 for the duration of the contract and be playing for Leigh in a few years. Which is the rule not the exception . Or stay where you have runs on the board , are respected and trusted , as well as truely grow as a footy player .
The grass is rarely greener , unless your being screwed over like a Tapau , Brown etc . He is not that player , he has a spot if he wants it.

Does he have a spot, has he been offered a spot, does he want the spot - who knows? just speculation on our part.

You could hardly set yourself up for life on 100k per year for 8 years. Don't blame him for going for a bit more, say 130k. If they don't want to give it to him - that's ok. No harm in asking, and then it's his decision stay or go.

I think he is worth the bit more myself.

I think my comments on insulting have been taken the wrong way.
Sam's contract this year was more than they were offering for next year.
Considering he debut and played 12 games, started a couple . I don't think that deserves a pay cut.
How many players in the nrl would have had this amount of improvement in a season and be rewarded a pay cut?
He knows his place in the pecking order, he doesn't think he is a star. But he doesn't deserve a pay cut!
Thats what my comment was about.

I hope Sam and Madge can reach an agreement that both are happy with

 

[crazycat]

So if zerotackle is correct we have Eisenhuth , Clark ,Jennings , Rowdy , Benji , McIntyre , McQueen , Seyfarth , Dylan Smith and Elijah Taylor off contract at seasons end

If I kept 3 ........Huth ,McIntyre ...maybe Clark

Its kind of weird to not have a spot for Benji.
I get it. He just introduces too muchcrazy in the team. I also get with Doulieni at 5/8, maybe JAC at Fullback (or a fresh face), brooks at 7 and Reynolds somewhere...it looks like were out of room.


Yes, would hire Huth, Seyfath, McIntrye and maybe Clark on the end.