innsaneink
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@everett said:
Probably the best Ive seen in this thread
BMM, Woods, Larewnce all with injury concerns
17 Bell or BMM hopefully
Your Tigers side vs Knights
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Probably the best Ive seen in this thread
BMM, Woods, Larewnce all with injury concerns
17 Bell or BMM hopefully
snowleopard
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IMO there are 2 ways to approach this
1\. Pick the usual suspects and wait for them to inevitably fail and hope in the meantime that the younger State CUp players get some runs on the board so that when the inevitable happens they are better prepared to step up to NRL
2\. Bite the bullet now and take a punt on some of the younger players now
For me the strategy should be a mixture of the 2\. Punt Utai & Moltzen and give Tedesco and Nofu/Big T the chance now as this is low risk . Pick at least one of the aggressive younger State Cup front rowers who will put their body on the line so we get more go forward and not worry about reputations
1\. Pick the usual suspects and wait for them to inevitably fail and hope in the meantime that the younger State CUp players get some runs on the board so that when the inevitable happens they are better prepared to step up to NRL
2\. Bite the bullet now and take a punt on some of the younger players now
For me the strategy should be a mixture of the 2\. Punt Utai & Moltzen and give Tedesco and Nofu/Big T the chance now as this is low risk . Pick at least one of the aggressive younger State Cup front rowers who will put their body on the line so we get more go forward and not worry about reputations
tig_prmz
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Well said snowleapoard.
im not sure about dropping utai for nofo yet though.
im not sure about dropping utai for nofo yet though.
innsaneink
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@pHyR3 said:
So Utai….all 28cm and 24 years experience of him a liabilty....but O'Brien with zilch experience is NOT?
People think promoting juniors is the answer to underperforming seniors....but what happens if the junior isnt up to it?
Yet another change
You stick with your most senior, experience squad possible...there are enough incidents throughout the year that are out of a coaches hands, like injury, suspension, rep duty....for young players to make their mark
If you chop and change just for the hell of it....thats a guarantee of a spoon
Utai has been a liability for a while now, saw him get consistently PICKED out by experienced teams (e.g. storm) with a good coach and scored on because he IS short. There's no competition when someone 6' 2" jumps for the ball over utai. And it's not like he's scoring left right centre and making linebreaks to make up for it.
Why not put in someone who IS performing, albeit at reserve grade. It's still better than utai.
By your logic we should have moltzen over tedesco, tuqiri over nofuluma and utai and and back line of fulton, anasta and blair. New talent needs a chance to emerge, besides just relying on injuries.
Why not put in someone who IS performing, albeit at reserve grade. It's still better than utai.
By your logic we should have moltzen over tedesco, tuqiri over nofuluma and utai and and back line of fulton, anasta and blair. New talent needs a chance to emerge, besides just relying on injuries.
snowleopard
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@innsaneink said:
Sorry Ink..agree with a lot of your thoughts but not this. If "you stick with your most senior, experience squad possible" we are subscribing to Sheen's philosophy and we saw the repercussions of that both on this forum and on the scoreboard last year. When you have underperforming seniors there is only one way to get them to perform again..you drop them and give someone else a go and if the senior doesn't spit the dummy, pulls his finger out and it gives the coach a reason to reinstate them. If they don't then the decision is vindicated. IMO you do this now rather than later and not in bulk and Utai & Molzen are prime candidates and low risk but high liability.
PYMBLEPETE
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@pHyR3 said:
That 'liability' you refer to is widely acknowledged to have been one of our best performers last year. I have no problem punting Utai if there is someone better but that is far from clear. Let David Nof ply his wares in State Cup for a bit and see how he shapes up. Obviously Mr T is not ready yet, although I acknowledge not all of the dropped ball on Saturday was his fault and he was playing out of position.
innsaneink
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@snowleopard said:
The senior players have played TWO trials this year….round ONE is 10 days away....and we are dropping players already.
Long year ahead :brick:
Im not saying you dont drop players under any circumstances.....but the way people here carry on, they expect players with 0 experience to slot in straight away and perform because a guy with 200 NRL games experience missed a ball in a gale and his 6'&5" opponent outjumped him to score ...people only look at the last tackle when the bomb goes up and the try is scored against us...the other 5 tackles the other mob managed to get down our end simply to put up the attacking kick - but no just blame the guy that misses it
Its all kneejerk reactions here....a mistackle, dropped ball = SACK HIM!
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When you have underperforming seniors there is only one way to get them to perform again..you drop them and give someone else a go and if the senior doesn't spit the dummy, pulls his finger out and it gives the coach a reason to reinstate them.
Thats garbage....not many rookies will cope with a debut before theyre ready (because thats what youre doing - promoting them due to another players lack of form, not when the replacement is ready as good development of juniors should be done)
happy_tiger
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Look Ink , if Moltzen is going to be selected at fullback is Teddy an option on the wing as B&W suggested
If we are going to be a better defensive unit in 2013 , there is no use having a weak link who is at least 6 inches shorter than every other winger in the NRL that teams can hammer mercilessly
Look at it this way , Roosters didn't even try bombing Moltzen when they put them up
Says something in my opinion
If we are going to be a better defensive unit in 2013 , there is no use having a weak link who is at least 6 inches shorter than every other winger in the NRL that teams can hammer mercilessly
Look at it this way , Roosters didn't even try bombing Moltzen when they put them up
Says something in my opinion
I'm not saying that utai will be dropped, he probably won't because potter will think like you do. Whether that's right or wrong is debatable. But in MY opinion, utai WONT perform amazingly and will cause tries to be scored. I know he was a good performer last year but brien is great at running the ball and tackling too. But has the added advantage of not being consistently outjumped. And i'm not referring to utai getting scored on on saturday, i've been thinking about how short he is and in the offseason was tossing up between him and tuqiri on the wing. Didn't have too much faith in any of the younger guns at the time, hadn't seen em play.
Utai's 31, he's coming to the end of his career and his ability is fading with time too. These younger guys will overtake people like him sometime this season. But, maybe i'm wrong and with a reasonable team utai will be able to shine once again, though i would still prefer brien over utai (with a shift of lawrence to wing) right now, my opinion might change come round 1\. Brien might not perform and utai might, but i'm basing my opinions on current form.
I have no problems with utai playing wing round 1, just seems like it won't go anywhere.
Utai's 31, he's coming to the end of his career and his ability is fading with time too. These younger guys will overtake people like him sometime this season. But, maybe i'm wrong and with a reasonable team utai will be able to shine once again, though i would still prefer brien over utai (with a shift of lawrence to wing) right now, my opinion might change come round 1\. Brien might not perform and utai might, but i'm basing my opinions on current form.
I have no problems with utai playing wing round 1, just seems like it won't go anywhere.
Moltzen is at least pulling his weight to the best of his ability. What my biggest concern is that there are a number of senior players including Lawrence, Ayshford and Blair who for some reason or other are not pulling their weight. Perservering with players like these in the form they are currently in is a recipe for disaster. Fresh blood needs to be injected. Think 2005 and the number of young players who were in the Wests Tigers side.
happy_tiger
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@Newtown said:
Blair was good in my opinion on Saturday worked hard , high involvement rate
Ayshford was a lot better than last season
Lawrence is the worry imo , but then again Roosters seemed to be targetting Aysh and Utai
It won't be picked, but this is the side I'd like to see:
1\. Tedesco
2\. Koroibete
3\. Ayshford
4\. Lawrence
5\. Nofoaluma
6\. Marshall
7\. Miller
8\. Woods
9\. Farah
10\. Galloway
11\. Anasta
12\. Blair
13\. Bell
14\. Fulton
15\. Pettybourne
16\. Thompson
17\. Buchanan
18\. Murdoch- Masila
19\. Moltzen
1\. Tedesco
2\. Koroibete
3\. Ayshford
4\. Lawrence
5\. Nofoaluma
6\. Marshall
7\. Miller
8\. Woods
9\. Farah
10\. Galloway
11\. Anasta
12\. Blair
13\. Bell
14\. Fulton
15\. Pettybourne
16\. Thompson
17\. Buchanan
18\. Murdoch- Masila
19\. Moltzen
innsaneink
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@pHyR3 said:
Rubbish, youve pre-judged him before the comp proper has begun….Why dont we wait until round one is OVER before sacking players...
If Potter thought Brien could potentially take Utais spot, dont you think he'd have tried it out in a trial game....not the serious stuff of round one???
I'll go with Potsy on this....I can see the benefits that starting with the most senior experienced squad brings...
innsaneink
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@happy tiger said:
If we are going to be better in D it starts at the ruck….....not the 6th tackle
Everyone crucifys Utai on the 6th, but forget about everyone else letting the opposition down there the previous 5 tackle
He gets our sets off to a good start - something not many others in the team are capable of
happy_tiger
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Agree Ink that the more times we can keep the opposition teams out of our red zone the better , but the point I'm making the better our defence gets the more opposition teams are going to look at other options to score tries
You'd have to admit yourself that if teams can't go through us easily enough the next best option will be the kick aimed at the shortest winger in the NRL or the most timid fullback in the NRL
Most times in 2012 they didn't bother , they just isolated some of our weaker defenders and aimed at them
This is our problem , most teams look at us and see a multitude of simple options to put points on us
I'm a novice and I have identified three easy attcking options for the opposition , imagine what the Bellamys ,Bennett's ,Hasler's and Toovey's will find 😱pen_mouth:
You'd have to admit yourself that if teams can't go through us easily enough the next best option will be the kick aimed at the shortest winger in the NRL or the most timid fullback in the NRL
Most times in 2012 they didn't bother , they just isolated some of our weaker defenders and aimed at them
This is our problem , most teams look at us and see a multitude of simple options to put points on us
I'm a novice and I have identified three easy attcking options for the opposition , imagine what the Bellamys ,Bennett's ,Hasler's and Toovey's will find 😱pen_mouth:
S
system
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I tried to figure out a side again, can't do it.
My hang up's from last seasons performances reflect too much on my team and as such the forward pack lacks balance in any way with the side I pick.
Utai is a worry with Mullens boot but if he is the best option he will get a run.
Have to show that little bit of faith in the coaches choices to begin the season
My hang up's from last seasons performances reflect too much on my team and as such the forward pack lacks balance in any way with the side I pick.
Utai is a worry with Mullens boot but if he is the best option he will get a run.
Have to show that little bit of faith in the coaches choices to begin the season
@innsaneink said:
What do you mean, rubbish? I hadn't seen rory brien and nofoluma play in december when i was weighing up utai vs tuqiri. I had no idea how they play.
I never said brien to take utai's spot, i said shift lawrence to wing and brien to centre. And I have no idea what potter is thinking.
We'll see by round 3 or 4 whether utai is a liability or will be scoring/tackling like there's no tomorrow.
tigerbenji
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I heard Lawrence say the same thing that it was just bruising, but it still makes me worry.
