Wests Tigers Coaches

I can understand the concerns around Ciraldo being unproven, however I think it’s a risk that we should take

He’s still young he’s gotta get his chance somehow

I don’t see any better options out there…. Morris will struggle to recruit, Flanagan doesn’t seem the right fit and Paul Green is a myth

Ciraldo everyone who’s been around him raves on about his coaching, he’s highly rated for a reason and a coach everyone wants to play for….. Penrith are pushing for Ciraldo’s re-signing cause they know what his presence does

He has Penrith maintaining the best defence in the league, he’s widely known for being a core reason to the development of all the juniors as they played under him and I guarantee he’ll have our team putting in the effort each wee

If we get Ciraldo instantly our reputation changes, we’d have a chance at maybe jagging one of the Penrith boys in Stephen Crichton, Izak Tago, Liam Martin, Matt Burton, Spencer Lenui if we throw the right money with the addition of Papalili and Api coming as well

I’d have full faith in a young coach to be mentored into the league by Sheens… especially a coach with Ciraldo’s potential

We have the most prized juniors within the next 5 years with a good young core alresdy in Hastings, Doueihi, Laurie, Stefano, Blore, Joffa (26) I couldn’t think of a better duo with Sheens and Ciraldo being the ones to welcome them to the league and having the pulling power to help us recruit some marquee players as well

If we can get it done, we back him and show him the faith with a 5 year deal especially with him being 37 as well - maybe 3 years with incentives of 2 years if we make the top 8 etc

Just my view on it
 
bptiger 0 said:
and we refuse to pay overs even for rep players in there prime
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Can you list the players that we've missed out on due to money ? I can think of Finucane and TPJ. They are both duds.

We've signed Api and Papalli for next season.

I don't see the big issue with recruitment. Retention has been poor but it's not easy. Look at all the players Melbourne lose and how many rep players in their prime they sign.
 
I still think the old honey trap is the best way to a happy ending with ciraldo.

I had a mate on the commercial radio, a paid program selling his shite goods and services and he had other mates ring in with questions where he had prepared answers.

He sounded like a genius but we all knew he couldn’t find his way out the front door.

Justin would be proud.
 
One answer may be to install some stability in the club, starting with the coach, and hope that a 5 year plan is enough to develop and attract talent to be able to be a top 8 (or top 4) team within the 5 years, most likely from year 3 onward. Another may be that an offer of this length of time is, in itself, enough of a lure to attract a quality coach, with the HOPE that the coach and the administration work together to develop the team. In any case, the downside is that, for a club like ours, the expectations from the fans are that within 12-18 months of the appointment, we are already playing semi final footy. Anything short of this, and we'll be back where we started from.
Whilst I can see the wisdom of a 5 year appointment (assuming it is not a media beat up) I think that it is too long. It's fine for a club that has been inconsistent in reaching the finals, and needs a coach to build what already is a competitive side, but not where the hunger for success is such that is over-rides any short-to medium term plan.
What are people's thoughts on any offer for a 5 year deal?
 
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Tiger_heart said:
One answer may be to install some stability in the club, starting with the coach, and hope that a 5 year plan is enough to develop and attract talent to be able to be a top 8 (or top 4) team within the 5 years, most likely from year 3 onward. Another may be that an offer of this length of time is, in itself, enough of a lure to attract a quality coach, with the HOPE that the coach and the administration work together to develop the team. In any case, the downside is that, for a club like ours, the expectations from the fans are that within 12-18 months of the appointment, we are already playing semi final footy. Anything short of this, and we'll be back where we started from.
Whilst I can see the wisdom of a 5 year appointment (assuming it is not a media beat up) I think that it is too long. It's fine for a club that has been inconsistent in reaching the finals, and needs a coach to build what already is a competitive side, but not where the hunger for success is such that is over-rides any short-to medium term plan.
What are people's thoughts on any offer for a 5 year deal?
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Offer the bloke a 100 year deal and he’ll still fail with shit cattle.
 
Simple you get a dart board, put all the coaches and length of year contracts on it. Stand way back and throw. The first coach and length of contract hit is to be the one. It's the Tigers way.😎😎😎
 
Tiger_heart said:
One answer may be to install some stability in the club, starting with the coach, and hope that a 5 year plan is enough to develop and attract talent to be able to be a top 8 (or top 4) team within the 5 years, most likely from year 3 onward. Another may be that an offer of this length of time is, in itself, enough of a lure to attract a quality coach, with the HOPE that the coach and the administration work together to develop the team. In any case, the downside is that, for a club like ours, the expectations from the fans are that within 12-18 months of the appointment, we are already playing semi final footy. Anything short of this, and we'll be back where we started from.
Whilst I can see the wisdom of a 5 year appointment (assuming it is not a media beat up) I think that it is too long. It's fine for a club that has been inconsistent in reaching the finals, and needs a coach to build what already is a competitive side, but not where the hunger for success is such that is over-rides any short-to medium term plan.
What are people's thoughts on any offer for a 5 year deal?
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As long as the 3rd year has a kpi that if he doesn't make the 8 he can be sacked without a payout.
 
I reckon its a bit of media hype or oversimplification. In these type of roles, three years is the norm and I expect that has/will be offered to Ciraldo condition free. I suspect there may be performance or option clauses in the final two years. Effectively, it becomes a 3+2 or 3+1+1 deal. Yes it is a 5 year contract but termination clauses built in.
 
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A few reasons.
- you are trying to attract an established top quality coach like Bellamy or Bennett
- you are playing the long game and have youngsters a couple of years off playing and want a coach to bring them through
- you have no expectations and it doesn’t matter who you appoint. May as well give them that long as with the crappy hand they are dealt, there is no justification for sacking them.
- you are a rabble and cannot attract anyone other than the fish that have been rejected by everyone from John West to Black & Gold. Anything less than 5 years and you would likely also need to give up your children and your soul
 
Tiger_heart said:
One answer may be to install some stability in the club, starting with the coach, and hope that a 5 year plan is enough to develop and attract talent to be able to be a top 8 (or top 4) team within the 5 years, most likely from year 3 onward. Another may be that an offer of this length of time is, in itself, enough of a lure to attract a quality coach, with the HOPE that the coach and the administration work together to develop the team. In any case, the downside is that, for a club like ours, the expectations from the fans are that within 12-18 months of the appointment, we are already playing semi final footy. Anything short of this, and we'll be back where we started from.
Whilst I can see the wisdom of a 5 year appointment (assuming it is not a media beat up) I think that it is too long. It's fine for a club that has been inconsistent in reaching the finals, and needs a coach to build what already is a competitive side, but not where the hunger for success is such that is over-rides any short-to medium term plan.
What are people's thoughts on any offer for a 5 year deal?
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If for example Ciraldo gets the gig and turns out to be another Bellamy we'll all say 5 years was a masterstroke.
I see it as an opportunity to stabilise a rocking boat.
I imagine there will be performance clauses in there to protect the club, eg. Making top 8 by 2024, top 4 after that??
 
Tiger_heart said:
One answer may be to install some stability in the club, starting with the coach, and hope that a 5 year plan is enough to develop and attract talent to be able to be a top 8 (or top 4) team within the 5 years, most likely from year 3 onward. Another may be that an offer of this length of time is, in itself, enough of a lure to attract a quality coach, with the HOPE that the coach and the administration work together to develop the team. In any case, the downside is that, for a club like ours, the expectations from the fans are that within 12-18 months of the appointment, we are already playing semi final footy. Anything short of this, and we'll be back where we started from.
Whilst I can see the wisdom of a 5 year appointment (assuming it is not a media beat up) I think that it is too long. It's fine for a club that has been inconsistent in reaching the finals, and needs a coach to build what already is a competitive side, but not where the hunger for success is such that is over-rides any short-to medium term plan.
What are people's thoughts on any offer for a 5 year deal?
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The only bloke who I would give a 5 year deal to is Bellamy....he is consistent and the squad play for him...
I wouldnt offer a rookie NRL coach or an assistant that amount of time..3 year max to see if they have it or not....
Some seasoned NRL coaches disappear into the sunset,Brown,Kearney,Flanno...each had their own style and structures with reasonable playing personnel..
 
I think Ciraldo would be ideal if we can get him too. Personally, I think the game has left Sheens behind and I don't think he should be anywhere near the team in regards to player selection and tactics. ( If you go back to when he was last here, most pundits, players, and media thought the same in his final years when he failed to get quite a gifted team to the finals.

However, the one thing he has that the Tigers have struggled with for years is respect in the league. Everyone in the media especially speaks so highly of him. Since Potter, Taylor, and Madge, and to a degree Ceary when he was here the media always questioned the tigers' direction and ability to entice players to the tigers. Almost immediately the media focus has been, Tim will be able to correct course.

I think even with Ciraldo as a rookie he will have a lot of pressure taken off him now because it is expected that Tim will be in charge of the direction, and have an expectation that he will be a positive influence on recruitment. Ciraldo won't have those expectations on his head. In a way, with a more experienced coach, blurs the line a little on who is responsible for those roles.
 
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