Wests Tigers Coaches

Cultured_Bogan said:
Listened to Sheens' interview on ABC Grandstand with Moore and Lewis, aside from stating the glaringly obvious that we don't have points in us, he has a worrying amount of blind faith in Marshall being able to take over from him after two years as an assistant coach. The two most recent graduates into NRL that I would consider successful, both Fitzgibbon and Payten, have done extensive apprenticeships leading in to their promotions. Unless Marshall is leaning toward being a man manager Bennettesque type coach and expects to have a roster that requires minimal coaching, he will be an abject failure I believe.
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And your point is?

Even a qualified coach like Madge & Cleary were abject failures here. Heck Sheens is the only coach who was able to get any form of success and even he failed more seasons than he was a success. We have gone all in on experienced coaches and failed.

The next 2yrs are going to be critical to how we allow Benji to have a roster that is built to be successful. It's clear we aren't focusing on the short immediate game, we are playing the longer build and sustain game plan.

17yr olds turn 20, 19yr olds turn 22, our current 22yr olds are 25 by the time Benji is coach. If our junior crops are as good as they say - we might get a good 5-8 max players from those kids + maybe a few of the existing group into grade. We will need another 15 odd players in the squad to allow Benji let alone any other coach success here.

Reality is Morris, Flanno, Ciraldo or anyone else will struggle unless they each had good rosters to coach from.

Benji is putting alot on the line with this move, it is something vastly different to anything else we have tried in the last 20yrs - do I think he will be a success - odds are against Benji but in saying that they are against anyone who steps in and coaches the team. Maybe trying something really different may just give us different results.
 
Lauren said:
Can't help it one bit but luuurve Brooks. Just do.
Get the comment about his speed, as there were two instances yesterday where he completely shut down plays that would've led to tries but also understand (and agree with) the criticism about his poor onfield leadership and execution. Therefore the following passage isn't particularly to back him or say anyone's negative opinion of him is unwarranted, but rather to state as long as we are selling ourselves as a development club - and aiming to be a successful one at that - his growth/form is the biggest sticking point.

Honestly I love Doueihi and think it's because he has the total opposite attitude to Brooks, but I believe he's a better centre until he further develops.
Jackson is the more complete player for mine and a strong team leader but both he and Doueihi are slow as snails and I personally find the Hastings and Brooks the better combination. Putting all my bias aside, Brooksy's main issue is he is too unassertive to be a halfback and his inability to read defence/numbers is worrying for the NRL experience he has. His poor kicking game also needs to be addressed. IMO when he gets it (everything without overpaying his hand) right he's a good playmaker and I can see it's (the club's persistence with him) about bringing this ability out consistently.
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I would like Sheens to be brave and pick Brooks at fullback for next week. He is much quicker than Daine who can slot into the half position.
 
Mighty_Tiger said:
And your point is?

Even a qualified coach like Madge & Cleary were abject failures here. Heck Sheens is the only coach who was able to get any form of success and even he failed more seasons than he was a success. We have gone all in on experienced coaches and failed.

The next 2yrs are going to be critical to how we allow Benji to have a roster that is built to be successful. It's clear we aren't focusing on the short immediate game, we are playing the longer build and sustain game plan.

17yr olds turn 20, 19yr olds turn 22, our current 22yr olds are 25 by the time Benji is coach. If our junior crops are as good as they say - we might get a good 5-8 max players from those kids + maybe a few of the existing group into grade. We will need another 15 odd players in the squad to allow Benji let alone any other coach success here.

Reality is Morris, Flanno, Ciraldo or anyone else will struggle unless they each had good rosters to coach from.

Benji is putting alot on the line with this move, it is something vastly different to anything else we have tried in the last 20yrs - do I think he will be a success - odds are against Benji but in saying that they are against anyone who steps in and coaches the team. Maybe trying something really different may just give us different results.
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My point is exactly what I said. The two most recent coaches who have graduated to the NRL and seem to have some ability as coaches have served a long time in the shadows and earning their stripes. I don't care if Benji is putting anything on the line, and if he fails at this he always has his media career to fall back on which he has cultivated nicely.

Where does the club go from here if this fails? Granted it's all conjecture but there's more qualified coaches who have graduated to the NRL recently with a good amount of success behind them and they have been failures.

Benji has a lot to learn in two years. Happy to eat crow if it pans out, I can't see it happening though.
 
GNR4LIFE said:
That’s a bit harsh. I’m sure most of us would accept a first grade coaching gig if the club ever bothered to read the profound opinions that are on this forum.
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TSP said:
You’d be hard pressed finding any other person in the NRL with less formal coaching experience than Benji.

He’s simply been appointed on the young matey basis.

A young mate gets to coach an NRL side, not because he can actually coach, but because he’s a mate.
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In the first part of that interview, for some reason cut from the attached, Sheens was asked about the coach selection process. He said firstly it was Lee and Pascoe who demanded Madge was punted. They were confident they would get Ciraldo and when that fell over, Lee and Pascoe put Benji and Farah on the top of the list. Sheens was initially against the idea. He said coaching is a 24/7/365 occupation and any outside distraction such as a media job or running a business would not work. Over several interviews, apparently lasting for hours, Benji and Robbie convinced him they were prepared to forgo everything else they currently have going to concentrate on coaching.
It appears Sheens is beholden to the board and simply doing his best with their demands, crazy or not.
 
tigerballs said:
In the first part of that interview, for some reason cut from the attached, Sheens was asked about the coach selection process. He said firstly it was Lee and Pascoe who demanded Madge was punted. They were confident they would get Ciraldo and when that fell over, Lee and Pascoe put Benji and Farah on the top of the list. Sheens was initially against the idea. He said coaching is a 24/7/365 occupation and any outside distraction such as a media job or running a business would not work. Over several interviews, apparently lasting for hours, Benji and Robbie convinced him they were prepared to forgo everything else they currently have going to concentrate on coaching.
It appears Sheens is beholden to the board and simply doing his best with their demands, crazy or not.
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Sounds like Shonky Sheens is already trying to evade all responsibilty for what has happened and will happen.Why am i not surprised?
 
tigerballs said:
In the first part of that interview, for some reason cut from the attached, Sheens was asked about the coach selection process. He said firstly it was Lee and Pascoe who demanded Madge was punted. They were confident they would get Ciraldo and when that fell over, Lee and Pascoe put Benji and Farah on the top of the list. Sheens was initially against the idea. He said coaching is a 24/7/365 occupation and any outside distraction such as a media job or running a business would not work. Over several interviews, apparently lasting for hours, Benji and Robbie convinced him they were prepared to forgo everything else they currently have going to concentrate on coaching.
It appears Sheens is beholden to the board and simply doing his best with their demands, crazy or not.
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Not sure Sheens should be sharing who wanted Maguire gone publically especially when they have put him head of football to make those decisions and take any heat of them.
I'd would say both would have preferred that it is believed that the decision was made based on Sheens directive.
The last thing we need is Pascoe and LH making any decisions about football but given how it went down, and what followed it sounds like a typical Pascoe/ LH kind of action.
 
tigerballs said:
In the first part of that interview, for some reason cut from the attached, Sheens was asked about the coach selection process. He said firstly it was Lee and Pascoe who demanded Madge was punted. They were confident they would get Ciraldo and when that fell over, Lee and Pascoe put Benji and Farah on the top of the list. Sheens was initially against the idea. He said coaching is a 24/7/365 occupation and any outside distraction such as a media job or running a business would not work. Over several interviews, apparently lasting for hours, Benji and Robbie convinced him they were prepared to forgo everything else they currently have going to concentrate on coaching.
It appears Sheens is beholden to the board and simply doing his best with their demands, crazy or not.
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Another Pascoe fiasco. He needs the bullet as well.

That's not to say that I suggest that Sheens is totally innocent in all of this either. It's not as though this hasn't benefit him either, and he's not one to be someone else's gopher.
 
I’m sure that Sheens, Benji, and anyone else on our coaching staff for next year know that between now and 2023 kick off is to fix our roster.
…. As to so this year we’ll just let it burn to the ground and focus on our no. 1 priority.
 
Cultured_Bogan said:
Another Pascoe fiasco. He needs the bullet as well.

That's not to say that I suggest that Sheens is totally innocent in all of this either. It's not as though this hasn't benefit him either, and he's not one to be someone else's gopher.
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The way he announced it was like he was hoping to get some sort of a result. He said he initially had no interest in the coaching role but was more or less convinced/had no choice because of Lee and Pascoe's brilliant plan for Benji and Robbie. He was definitely laying the blame.
 
tigerballs said:
The way he announced it was like he was hoping to get some sort of a result. He said he initially had no interest in the coaching role but was more or less convinced/had no choice because of Lee and Pascoe's brilliant plan for Benji and Robbie. He was definitely laying the blame.
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The finger pointing begins. It was a schmozzle. Reportedly Sheens told Maguire he was safe only to deliver the news less than 24hrs later - after Nathan Brown quit. Someone definitely thought they had Ciraldo in the bag but clearly got it wrong again
 
This about says it all about this clubs leadership and vision (lack of !!! )

“In the first part of that interview, for some reason cut from the attached, Sheens was asked about the coach selection process. He said firstly it was Lee and Pascoe who demanded Madge was punted. They were confident they would get Ciraldo and when that fell over, Lee and Pascoe put Benji and Farah on the top of the list.”
 
tigertragic said:
This about says it all about this clubs leadership and vision (lack of !!! )

“In the first part of that interview, for some reason cut from the attached, Sheens was asked about the coach selection process. He said firstly it was Lee and Pascoe who demanded Madge was punted. They were confident they would get Ciraldo and when that fell over, Lee and Pascoe put Benji and Farah on the top of the list.”
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Cos of course they were the best available candidates of everyone in the game after Ciraldo. Complete clown show.
 
tigertragic said:
This about says it all about this clubs leadership and vision (lack of !!! )

“In the first part of that interview, for some reason cut from the attached, Sheens was asked about the coach selection process. He said firstly it was Lee and Pascoe who demanded Madge was punted. They were confident they would get Ciraldo and when that fell over, Lee and Pascoe put Benji and Farah on the top of the list.”
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How do you feel when you log in and have these weird notifications because people mistagged you thinking you were that other lady?
 
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