Signings, Suggestions & Rumours Discussion

[Needaname]

I wouldn’t trust him to win any game unless every card fell his way.
Downhill skiing coat tail rider.

You do realise that in game winning moments last year Moses was in positions to take a field goal or put a play on and the ball went to the left to Gutho / Brown from Mahoney. It isn’t all his fault that Parra sucked when it mattered. How about the deep kicks he put in for field position in the first 20mins of the GF? That game was a real arm wrestle but Penrith just had the class in the end to break away from the grind. I certainly don’t feel Moses went into his shell in that game, more so his support did.

 

[crazycat]

If Wayne can get Dolphins to finals with that spine, it will be one of the greatest coaching achievements in the history of the NRL...

A spine of:
Hammer/Hamiso Tabuai-Fidow or Isakko at Fullback, Anthony Milford at 5/8 (who took Brisbane and Canberra to the finals), Sean O'sullivan and Jeremy Marshall King or Ray Stone at Hooker. Yes Halfback is a problem, though Wayne Bennett can coach that.

The bigger questions IMHO are around their Centers/wings. A forward pack that's 50% storm will go well. I honestly expect the Dolphins to be the dark horses of the competition.

 

[Tucker]

Who would you trust to win us a big game mate....
I've watched time and time again our best ever players (Far better than Moses)
fail to win us big games....

Seen Benji Kick 1/4 against Parra for 8th spot in 09.
Benji and Farah couldn't close out the Roosters semi in 2010,
We had a tonne of possession in good ball against the Dragons the same year, And didn't bother with a feild goal (like Soward did as soon as he made range) to win the game.
I've watched them capitulate against the Warriors....
And go from premiership favourites to like 12th in 2012...

There's only 2-3 Halves in the game you can consider to "win" you a big game,
And they're mostly not for sale.... And have also come up short often in their own right.

Get the best tools you can - Will always give you the best shot at winning you can have.

True, but don’t spend massive money securing the services of an occasionally effective player. We have other positions to also strengthen.
Api can win us games and him in concert with Brooks Doueihi and Laurie…you never know.

 

[Tucker]

You do realise that in game winning moments last year Moses was in positions to take a field goal or put a play on and the ball went to the left to Gutho / Brown from Mahoney. It isn’t all his fault that Parra sucked when it mattered. How about the deep kicks he put in for field position in the first 20mins of the GF? That game was a real arm wrestle but Penrith just had the class in the end to break away from the grind. I certainly don’t feel Moses went into his shell in that game, more so his support did.

Arm wrestle??
Last years GF was similar to The Australian Kangaroos v Yass Magpies reserve grade.
Parra were never in it. Not for one minute.

 

[hsvjones]

If all this Moses stuff is true, I would think they might want to get it sorted ASAP as this would be a massive distraction for both clubs and players.
I'm all for it and would be stoked if we picked him up

 

[crazycat]

100% look at the teams That went out and purchased experienced half cowboys and broncos both improved out of site

Look at the teams who got rid of experienced halfs knights and titans both went so far backwards

Mitch is just what we need plays the perfect style if attacking football sheens and benji will be looking for

1000% agreed with the Cowboys. Todd Payten did exactly the right thing with Chad Townsend. Everyone was hammering him for Picking Dearden as well and said these players were too similar. Everyone else bar Todd Payten was wrong (including myself), two organising halves combined well.

Broncos, well cmon. Siebold brought a successful team to it's knees. Adam Reynolds was injured a bit so last years performance can be a recovery year. Not saying your wrong or right, just saying Broncos don't make that case.

Knights though, why they were so Mercenary against Pearce I don't understand. You are right in the punting of Pearce we have seen the Knights go backwards. Honestly if Pearce wanted to return to the NRL, I could see a <1m contract for 2 years being better then a 5 year 1.4m contract for Moses. Were really creating a long term headache for ourselves (or name a 5 year contract that has worked well for us? Josh Reynolds 😉 )

 

[crazycat]

Arm wrestle??
Last years GF was similar to The Australian Kangaroos v Yass Magpies reserve grade.
Parra were never in it. Not for one minute.

It was a contest that wasn't reflected in the scoreline. Not a total wipeout.

Yet Ryan Mattersons attitude seems to reflect a Yass Magpies level of commitment "why should I pay $4000, Ill miss 3 games thank you". Parra, you have a real PRO there

 

[sleeve]

Wayne, looked good with the Donkeys, they were an Origin side,.Saints had the one of the best rosters, the same with souths, With Newcastle he was piss poor. The guy is an overaited egotist.

 

[SeanT]

Your first four words are most pertinent, especially in regards to the previous couple of posts from @finnzo.

Will never be overly keen on Moses again for other reasons, and he is the ultimate flat track bully. Still, he is though perfectly suited behind a decent forward pack, which should be very much the case this season onwards for WT, and is easily the best halves option on the market.

Yeh behind a good forward he goes well. He has an all-round good kicking game plus he's a goalkicker. If we get him I think we could get some other recruits as well.

If we do snag Moses then get a fullback we will be a top 8 team for sure.

 

[Tucker]

It was a contest that wasn't reflected in the scoreline. Not a total wipeout.

No it wasn’t. Watch it again. Penrith were never ever in doubt of winning that game.
Very similar to the WC Final.

 

[Needaname]

1000% agreed with the Cowboys. Todd Payten did exactly the right thing with Chad Townsend. Everyone was hammering him for Picking Dearden as well and said these players were too similar. Everyone else bar Todd Payten was wrong (including myself), two organising halves combined well.

Broncos, well cmon. Siebold brought a successful team to it's knees. Adam Reynolds was injured a bit so last years performance can be a recovery year. Not saying your wrong or right, just saying Broncos don't make that case.

Knights though, why they were so Mercenary against Pearce I don't understand. You are right in the punting of Pearce we have seen the Knights go backwards. Honestly if Pearce wanted to return to the NRL, I could see a <1m contract for 2 years being better then a 5 year 1.4m contract for Moses. Were really creating a long term headache for ourselves (or name a 5 year contract that has worked well for us? Josh Reynolds 😉 )

Actually I see a Brooks / Moses combination being very similar to what Todd has done with Dearden and Townsend.

 

[tony soprano]

Don't worry about the money, the CAP is going up heaps in the 5 years....$2.0m will be marquee wages in 5 years, which will make Moses money look paltry.

See what changes to pokies does

 

[Littlebittipsy]

genuine...

Have you received any updated mail?

 

[SeanT]

Hastings will be in line for back to back spoons with knights. They have lost there best forward

Knight have a culture problem but Hastings and Ponga would work ok. They still have the Safiti brothers. I just don't rate O'Brien very much so bottom 6 for sure.

 

[SeanT]

No it wasn’t. Watch it again. Penrith were never ever in doubt of winning that game.
Very similar to the WC Final.

Yeah the Eels were never in it. The scoreline might not have been a blowout but the gameplay was.

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

If we do end up with Moses and Brooks extends but on less coin, what do we do with Doueihi? Personally i think he's a limited footballer bit of a franklins version of Burton. He thinks he's a half but imo he's no where near a top 8 half. Is he a centre possibly but he doesnt want to play there.
I would let his contract expire or let him go to Parra if we can get Moses mid season after he tanks.

 

[Fainu Brothers]

If we do end up with Moses and Brooks extends but on less coin, what do we do with Doueihi? Personally i think he's a limited footballer bit of a franklins version of Burton. He thinks he's a half but imo he's no where near a top 8 half. Is he a centre possibly but he doesnt want to play there.
I would let his contract expire or let him go to Parra if we can get Moses mid season after he tanks.

Cya Douhei go get your 900k somewhere else and demand to play 6

 

[Needaname]

No it wasn’t. Watch it again. Penrith were never ever in doubt of winning that game.
Very similar to the WC Final.

The point is more Moses performance in the GF. 17 kicks for 611 kick meters is a huge contribution for a HB. And as you said the team was dominated from the start so he was clearly kicking off the back foot.
This we do not have, we do not have a half that can play for territory off the back of a dominated pack.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Knight have a culture problem but Hastings and Ponga would work ok. They still have the Safiti brothers. I just don't rate O'Brien very much so bottom 6 for sure.

It will be a spicy dressing shed up in the Hunter.

 

[watersider]

Arm wrestle??
Last years GF was similar to The Australian Kangaroos v Yass Magpies reserve grade.
Parra were never in it. Not for one minute.

True, and I'm indifferent about Moses, but I don't think any halfback in the league would have done any better in the circumstances of that game. Penrith's pack and the aggression of their wingers on early tackles was too good.