Referendum 2023

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Kaito said:
Both are important bro. And as Yoss stated the
1st nations are the most disenfranchised
community. Have been for some time. I think
it's pretty shameful personally. A lot of folks
seem to be really cavalier about this point...
I went to NZ and was stunned at the difference
between the indigenous community & maōri
community — we haven't even had a treaty here.
The coexistence between the anglos and maōri
is worlds apart compared to here. Embarrassing
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The warriors fought the British Empire troops to stalemate hence the treaty and full rights. No doubt they would have been enslaved by proxy without their militancy.

Sadly the Aboriginals didn't live in large communities so they weren't in a position to offer armed resistance.
 
I'm voting yes. Simply because aboriginal peoples have been shamefully treated in their own country.

But I get the other arguments.

In my view they stem from a feeling that all of a sudden this has become the most pressing issue and what type of apparatus will be added to this body later and how will it affect balanced democracy.....if that notion even exists.

I'd love to see other referenda and plebiscites on key issues. Representative democracy has sadly been corrupted and it has really come to a point that one feels they are voting for tertiary issues at best whilst key issues are not up for democracy.

Things like.

1) Australia's values......what are they and who sets them.

2) The target inflation rate.

3) The target unemployment rate.

4) The immigration rate per population.

5 ) Do we want to spend $360 billion on 8 subs.

6) Density ratios in capital cities.

7) Water transfer and nuclear power.

So for me something like the voice should've already been in place but it feels a bit funny that this is been addressed now whilst all the other stuff which affects all people never gets addressed.

So perhaps the no voters may reflect that disenfranchisement.
 
Yossarian said:
It will have zero impact for most Australians and potentially far reaching impact for arguably the most disadvantaged group in the country. It probably speaks more to how self-centred we’ve become as a society that people aren’t willing to see these things.
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Not asking to be argumentative, genuine question. How will it benefit Aboriginal peoples? I'm likely voting yes because if it can help, then great.
The issue i have with this referendum (and pretty much all elections) is i have little knowledge on what i'm actually voting on. As (at best) a casual observer of politics all i hear is scaremongering from the no campaign and allegations of racism from the yes campaign. I hear no debate of what it is we are actually voting on, and how it will affect society.
 
Yossarian said:
I think not having political discussions on the forum was frankly a good thing but anyway…

I’m voting yes. It’s a no-brainer for me - all opportunity, zero risk. It shows how little progress we’ve made as a country on reconciliation that the referendum looks like failing.
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Despite your not so subtle attack on those you disagree with, what makes you so sure (it’s a no brainer) that yes is the correct answer? Others above you provided context to their answer. Just curious as to why you are so definite.
 
jadtiger said:
Most people i know who say they are going to vote no are only doing so because they have been persuaded by the scare and misinformation campaigns ran by the LNP.
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Maybe. You aren’t giving them much credit though are you?
I could just as easily say people voting yes are being persuaded by the enormous push from the Government.
 
Tucker said:
Despite your not so subtle attack on those you disagree with, what makes you so sure (it’s a no brainer) that yes is the correct answer? Others above you provided context to their answer. Just curious as to why you are so definite.
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I don’t think I’ve attacked anyone. I’ve discussed and debated. If that’s your starting position I’m not interested. This is your thread. I think I’ve clearly articulated why I’m voting yes.
 
Tucker said:
Maybe. You aren’t giving them much credit though are you?
I could just as easily say people voting yes are being persuaded by the enormous push from the Government.
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That is a simple question to answer because most of the people i have spoken to were origionally going to vote yes until the LNP started their scare and misinformation campaigns (they like many where i live are elderley LNP voters) however a few of them can see through the lies and are still going to vote yes.I live in a retirement village and probably 2/3 of them are conservative in nature.
 
gregjm87 said:
Not asking to be argumentative, genuine question. How will it benefit Aboriginal peoples? I'm likely voting yes because if it can help, then great.
The issue i have with this referendum (and pretty much all elections) is i have little knowledge on what i'm actually voting on. As (at best) a casual observer of politics all i hear is scaremongering from the no campaign and allegations of racism from the yes campaign. I hear no debate of what it is we are actually voting on, and how it will affect society.
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Because you’re more likely to get better policy outcomes from more direct engagement. Maybe it won’t work but as you note, if it can it would be great.

The general policy discussion discourse in this country has been heading south for a long time. I share your concerns.
 
Yossarian said:
I don’t think I’ve attacked anyone. I’ve discussed and debated. If that’s your starting position I’m not interested. This is your thread. I think I’ve clearly articulated why I’m voting yes.
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Your first post had a dig at the other side and provided no information.
To be honest, I expected that from you.
If you aren’t interested, feel free discuss other issues.
 
jadtiger said:
That is a simple question to answer because most of the people i have spoken to were origionally going to vote yes until the LNP started their scare and misinformation campaigns (they like many where i live are elderley LNP voters) however a few of them can see through the lies and are still going to vote yes.I live in a retirement village and probably 2/3 of them are conservative in nature.
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Thankyou, that’s very interesting. I actually haven’t seen much from the No side until recently. Maybe they are targeting the older demographic?
 
Tucker said:
Your first post had a dig at the other side and provided no information.
To be honest, I expected that from you.
If you aren’t interested, feel free discuss other issues.
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It wasn’t, it was my personal perspective. You open a thread and then as usual start making personal attacks. This is pretty much why the politics thread got shutdown. I think I’ve engaged with people in good faith.
 
Tucker said:
You do not know that and saying so is misleading.
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No that’s a completely correct statement. The proposed amendment establishes a consultation body. What it advises is no more or less costly than any other policy proposals from say a government department.
 
Magpie_Magic said:
The warriors fought the British Empire troops to stalemate hence the treaty and full rights. No doubt they would have been enslaved by proxy without their militancy.

Sadly the Aboriginals didn't live in large communities so they weren't in a position to offer armed resistance.
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Aboriginals lived in seperate mobs who spent most of their time fighting each other.
I have spoken to many elders who all tell stories of the incredible warfare that happened here before the Poms even came.
They were easy pickings.
 
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