Mistymuzzle
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Nobody should want to watch them, but IMO everyone should be forced to to understand the extent of the evil. Particularly anyone claiming moral equivalence or whataboutism.
2023 Israel–Hamas war
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Nobody should want to watch them, but IMO everyone should be forced to to understand the extent of the evil. Particularly anyone claiming moral equivalence or whataboutism.
Mistymuzzle
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Many of their supporters (in the western world) are supporters because of this.
I'm not sure what you mean.
Fallen Angel
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I donk’t need to watch them to understand the extent of the atrocity. Thinking people should be forced to watch that shit is morbid.
Mistymuzzle
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Anyone claiming moral equivalence should be forced to before they spout that bullshit........And Earl should be too, because he claims it was justified.
trentrunciman
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Ok thanks, will watch later when I’m home…
WestsEffTheRest
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I think you've been misinterpreting what people are saying on here mate. No one is claiming Hamas's actions are justified not a single person, what Hamas did was deplorable. However, Israel & the IDF are just as bad as Hamas & have been performing these sort of acts against Palestinians for years now. Israel are not the victim the only victims here are the innocent lives that are being lost on both sides.
Mistymuzzle
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Well Earl literally said it was justified so there is that.
Im not absolving or belittling Israels actions in the past but as Ive said here a few times, Hamas' literal charter is based on obliterating the Jewish state and Israel is surrounded by state actors with the same objectives.
Their actions on the weekend had no military objectives. It was a pure terrorist action.
Its obviously a cycle of violence that is going to get worse thanks to Hamas actions. Its not Israels constitutional objective to obliterate Islam (It will be now to destroy Hamas).
Everyone concedes a two state solution will be necessary for peace, but whilst one of those states is governed by a terrorist organisation with the stated objective to push Israel into the sea, Israel has no option for peace.
I am sympathetic to Palestinians plight. They need to get rid of Hamas. Palestinians will never know peace while they are ruled by Hamas and neither will the Middle East more broadly.
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WestsEffTheRest
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Israel & the IDF have done the same over many years now mate
Mistymuzzle
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You've said this a few times now. Im not questioning it, but do you have verifiable examples of this?
WestsEffTheRest
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To be honest mate all it takes is a simple google search
Mistymuzzle
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Just did that and found a massacre in 1948 in which it happened, was interested in more recent verifiable cases that would warrant this whataboutism. Nothing on Amnesty International.
WestsEffTheRest
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Mistymuzzle
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wow, did you read that before you posted?
There is nothing like what Hamas did in that long list by the Israelis. Secondly, literally example you provided was headed by "In response to [Hamas/Palestinian attack], Israelis did...."
Im not trying to be clever, argue or debate this with you. I genuinely took you on your world that there were equivalent Israeli atrocities and I know that Israelis have killed hundreds of Palestinians. Nothing, nothing like what Hamas did last week.
WestsEffTheRest
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This isn't a game of comparisons
Mistymuzzle
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Its not in question that Israelis have killed many Palestinians. That is an indisputable fact.
last weekend Hamas uploaded videos of themselves slaughtering hundreds and hundreds of innocent civilians as they ran away, raping young women and parading them bloodied through the streets of Gaza, shooting young children in their beds, beheading babies, beheading men who are alive with blunt garden tools. Kidnapping children after they were forced to watch their mothers executed, taking women and elderly women hostages.
You are the one claiming that Israel have also been doing this for years. Examples?
Mistymuzzle
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35mins ago you literally said "Israel & the IDF have done the same over many years now mate"
AMMAN, 15 May 2021 – “Eight Palestinian children were reported killed north of Gaza overnight, bringing to at least 40 the number of children killed there since 10 May. The age of these children ranges between six months to 17 years. Over half of them were under 10 years old."
WestsEffTheRest
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I'm not gonna sit here & keep repeating myself so i'll say it for the last time. Israel & the IDF have been committing acts of violence & massacre for many years now, this does not make what Hamas did justifiable as what they did was despicable too & there are no good sides in this war, no better sides in this war.
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