2023 Israel–Hamas war

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Mistymuzzle said:
Nobody should want to watch them, but IMO everyone should be forced to to understand the extent of the evil. Particularly anyone claiming moral equivalence or whataboutism.
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I donk’t need to watch them to understand the extent of the atrocity. Thinking people should be forced to watch that shit is morbid.
 
Fallen Angel said:
I donk’t need to watch them to understand the extent of the atrocity. Thinking people should be forced to watch that shit is morbid.
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Anyone claiming moral equivalence should be forced to before they spout that bullshit........And Earl should be too, because he claims it was justified.
 
Mistymuzzle said:
i didnt post the video as any reference on any basis for political or historical aspects and as I pointed out up front, its a Ben Shapiro video so his biases are up front. I posted it because everyone should be forced to watch the Hamas videos that they uploaded before any moral equivalences are claimed.
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Ok thanks, will watch later when I’m home…
 
Mistymuzzle said:
Anyone claiming moral equivalence should be forced to before they spout that bullshit........And Earl should be too, because he claims it was justified.
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I think you've been misinterpreting what people are saying on here mate. No one is claiming Hamas's actions are justified not a single person, what Hamas did was deplorable. However, Israel & the IDF are just as bad as Hamas & have been performing these sort of acts against Palestinians for years now. Israel are not the victim the only victims here are the innocent lives that are being lost on both sides.
 
WestsEffTheRest said:
I think you've been misinterpreting what people are saying on here mate. No one is claiming Hamas's actions are justified not a single person, what Hamas did was deplorable. However, Israel & the IDF are just as bad as Hamas & have been performing these sort of acts against Palestinians for years now. Israel are not the victim the only victims here are the innocent lives that are being lost on both sides.
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Well Earl literally said it was justified so there is that.

Im not absolving or belittling Israels actions in the past but as Ive said here a few times, Hamas' literal charter is based on obliterating the Jewish state and Israel is surrounded by state actors with the same objectives.

Their actions on the weekend had no military objectives. It was a pure terrorist action.

Its obviously a cycle of violence that is going to get worse thanks to Hamas actions. Its not Israels constitutional objective to obliterate Islam (It will be now to destroy Hamas).

Everyone concedes a two state solution will be necessary for peace, but whilst one of those states is governed by a terrorist organisation with the stated objective to push Israel into the sea, Israel has no option for peace.

I am sympathetic to Palestinians plight. They need to get rid of Hamas. Palestinians will never know peace while they are ruled by Hamas and neither will the Middle East more broadly.
 
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Tucker said:
Yes there is.
One group went after as many civilians …especially vulnerable ones like the aged and children as possible, showing them zero mercy.
The other gave civilians a warning to leave before attacking.
One group are cowards who never take on armed forces.
The other mobilised a force to take them on and are systematically hunting them like the rats they are.
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Israel & the IDF have done the same over many years now mate
 
WestsEffTheRest said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/07/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-conflict-timeline.html
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wow, did you read that before you posted?

There is nothing like what Hamas did in that long list by the Israelis. Secondly, literally example you provided was headed by "In response to [Hamas/Palestinian attack], Israelis did...."

Im not trying to be clever, argue or debate this with you. I genuinely took you on your world that there were equivalent Israeli atrocities and I know that Israelis have killed hundreds of Palestinians. Nothing, nothing like what Hamas did last week.
 
WestsEffTheRest said:
https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties
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Its not in question that Israelis have killed many Palestinians. That is an indisputable fact.

last weekend Hamas uploaded videos of themselves slaughtering hundreds and hundreds of innocent civilians as they ran away, raping young women and parading them bloodied through the streets of Gaza, shooting young children in their beds, beheading babies, beheading men who are alive with blunt garden tools. Kidnapping children after they were forced to watch their mothers executed, taking women and elderly women hostages.

You are the one claiming that Israel have also been doing this for years. Examples?
 
Mistymuzzle said:
Just did that and found a massacre in 1948 in which it happened, was interested in more recent verifiable cases that would warrant this whataboutism. Nothing on Amnesty International.
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AMMAN, 15 May 2021 – “Eight Palestinian children were reported killed north of Gaza overnight, bringing to at least 40 the number of children killed there since 10 May. The age of these children ranges between six months to 17 years. Over half of them were under 10 years old."
 
Mistymuzzle said:
35mins ago you literally said "Israel & the IDF have done the same over many years now mate"
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I'm not gonna sit here & keep repeating myself so i'll say it for the last time. Israel & the IDF have been committing acts of violence & massacre for many years now, this does not make what Hamas did justifiable as what they did was despicable too & there are no good sides in this war, no better sides in this war.
 
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