Justin Olam #281

Not to mention star value especially in Luai's case.

If he doesn't pack out home matches nothing will.

Lets face it we've been so boring to watch lately, it's actually been worse than losing.
Idk. I actually found it funny when Sheens tried to play 05 style for the first two weeks of last season. Then he realised “……shit“. One thing is not the same as the other.
 
I don’t dislike Pap btw. Just want him to pull his head in.
It certainly seems like you dislike him... I knew who you were talking about long before his name was mentioned.
I don't get then'duva' reference at all... Far from it... Maybe he's one of these guys that finds it hard to BS, they'll the punters what they wanna hear... Some players love it and string journos along, some are robots spitting out clichés... I'm not really fussed over him and if he goes so be it, I haven't been over enthused about his form and footy last year but there's plenty of others that can apply too.... We really only had Bula & Api stand out

Just on gauging new recruits and what they bring,. I think the good coaches will always try and utilise the players strengths while also tweaking the way he has his team playing...certsin positions obvious more crucial than others
The person they are is very important for some coaches...the No Dickhead Policy despite what sheens gadget & Co.have banged on about hasn't always been.adhered too but I guess as we know we haven't been in a position to pick & choose.
1. Identify what's required
2.short-list of potential candidates
3. Sell the vision

Too often I think we've been reactive rather than proactive... I'd have loved AFB here but I guess Richo knows more then me... Though I remember a long time ago, I think it was PeterMoore saying buy props, buy more props and when yiu think you have enough... Get some more... Dunno how applicable this is these days
 
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Seen the footy IQ that he had in the squad and reverted back to Madge ball. Then went and started to tie his own noose.

Seriously...
He's been watching Footy for a squillion years, How did he not 'know' what squad he had....
I reckon it's crap, I think he knew... That's why he hurled Kimmorley in for the 2nd half of the season.

He thought he had a couple guys coming, could maybe jag a couple more and that would get him through...
I only ever think he was trying to get us mid-bottom half of the table for 2 years and that would have been seen as a success... He was always banging on about 2025.

I said it from the start, How he was talking about playing some attacking Footy and Scoring Points.....
He was always looking to go back to playing 'Benjiball'
Found that is very difficult when you don't have a Benji....
 
Definitely not. Anyone saying he's done nothing since tackling Brown don't know what their watching. It is only injuries, not talented that have halted his progression.
With him leaving anyway I can understand the early release. I still think the side will be worse off without him, even factoring in the upgrade at centre.
We finished with the wooden spoon - he was a part of it. I don’t see how we can be worse off. His highlights package is a combination of his tackle on Nathan Brown, looking like an overgrown Bruno Mars and having a chin to challenge Nathan Cleary. Further to this, I wil not miss his chicken legs.

Talent and potential vs genuine international - soz but I know who I’m taking.

It’s like saying if you can choose Luai or Galvin - who do you take? Luai all day.

For too long, this club has relied on potential rather than genuine established players.
 
We finished with the wooden spoon - he was a part of it. I don’t see how we can be worse off. His highlights package is a combination of his tackle on Nathan Brown, looking like an overgrown Bruno Mars and having a chin to challenge Nathan Cleary. Further to this, I wil not miss his chicken legs.

Talent and potential vs genuine international - soz but I know who I’m taking.

It’s like saying if you can choose Luai or Galvin - who do you take? Luai all day.

For too long, this club has relied on potential rather than genuine established players.
You always bring up his tackle on Brown. Fact is it is just one of his dominant tackles, a skill very few in our squad possess. His highlight package also includes changing momentum in our favour when coming off the bench in a few games last year and number of offloads. In fact more per carry than any other player in the NRL last year whilst keeping his metres per run and errors better than the league average.
He has proven abilities that few in the NRL possess.
Then consider that the bench of our best 17 probsbly includes the likes of Twal, Seyfarth and one S. Fainu or Kepoa. I think we still need the upgrade in the forwardswhich Blore is, than at centre which Olam should be.

Yes he is a genuine international...of a tier 2 nation. If he were only eligible for Australia I doubt he would have an international jersey. Olam is a bit of a one trick pony who relies on power running due to having very little footwork or ball skills to beat his opponent. His most recent season his power running was ineffective leaving him showing nothing in attack. His defence however was much worse, leading to him being dropped to reserve grade for much of the year.

What are the chances of Olam finding form and returning to one of the better centres in the comp? At a side that coming off the spoon? That has just further weakened its forward pack?
Probably much worse than an injury plagued young forward who looked to finally string some games together last season having an injury free season this year I'd suggest.
 
You always bring up his tackle on Brown. Fact is it is just one of his dominant tackles, a skill very few in our squad possess.
To re-iterate....

How sad is it that there's only been 2 tackles mentioned on this forum in the last 15 years...
Both from guys who played less than 40 games....
TWO!!....

In a game where tackling is 50% of the game (A bit more for Tigers fans),
We remember 2 since 2010!! (Since 2000 in reality)
- Both from Kids..

But it's all the halfbacks fault we don't win games 😂😂😂
 
To re-iterate....

How sad is it that there's only been 2 tackles mentioned on this forum in the last 15 years...
Both from guys who played less than 40 games....
TWO!!....

In a game where tackling is 50% of the game (A bit more for Tigers fans),
We remember 2 since 2010!! (Since 2000 in reality)
- Both from Kids..

But it's all the halfbacks fault we don't win games 😂😂😂
Great post BB.
 
Let’s face it Paps came into a broken team last year without halves or good backs. Hard to pin much on him, he’s trying to learn the style of a team that didn’t have one.
That's true but I was disgusted with his lack of effort on a number of occasions last year. We can make the same argument about Munster for Storm last year, who had a below average backrower in Loiero and Olam out of form, but there is still individual responsibility. Top players taking it easy only sets a bad standard for the young guys, in fact it's better to drop them to cup if they don't change their attitude in games
 
That's true but I was disgusted with his lack of effort on a number of occasions last year. We can make the same argument about Munster for Storm last year, who had a below average backrower in Loiero and Olam out of form, but there is still individual responsibility. Top players taking it easy only sets a bad standard for the young guys, in fact it's better to drop them to cup if they don't change their attitude in games
Look, not everyone can or should be the center of attention.

I know there were several origin games where Johnathan Thurston and Mitchell Pearce seemed to be very quiet... it was because, in part they were heavily targetted.

Munster, started at Melbourne with Bellamy giving him free range to play the game he wanted. Now Bellamy may be wanting Munster to be more strategic and positional and will probably want Munster to give more ball to other players so their game develops.

Olam was more quiet in 2023, only 5 tries but 15 try assists. It seemed that Xavier and Warbrick did most of Melbourne's scoring. I definately saw when Melbourne played us, Olam would have the ball, get targetted and make sure the defenders had commited and

pass to the winger who would score the try...
 
Look, not everyone can or should be the center of attention.

I know there were several origin games where Johnathan Thurston and Mitchell Pearce seemed to be very quiet... it was because, in part they were heavily targetted.

Munster, started at Melbourne with Bellamy giving him free range to play the game he wanted. Now Bellamy may be wanting Munster to be more strategic and positional and will probably want Munster to give more ball to other players so their game develops.

Olam was more quiet in 2023, only 5 tries but 15 try assists. It seemed that Xavier and Warbrick did most of Melbourne's scoring. I definately saw when Melbourne played us, Olam would have the ball, get targetted and make sure the defenders had commited and

pass to the winger who would score the try...
Olam did not have 15 try assists? He had 2, counting his one in reserve grade.
 
Seriously...
He's been watching Footy for a squillion years, How did he not 'know' what squad he had....
I reckon it's crap, I think he knew... That's why he hurled Kimmorley in for the 2nd half of the season.

He thought he had a couple guys coming, could maybe jag a couple more and that would get him through...
I only ever think he was trying to get us mid-bottom half of the table for 2 years and that would have been seen as a success... He was always banging on about 2025.

I said it from the start, How he was talking about playing some attacking Footy and Scoring Points.....
He was always looking to go back to playing 'Benjiball'
Found that is very difficult when you don't have a Benji....
He made no secret of that mate. Told us all there was no lofty ambitions, it was a 3 year plan and they’d only be signing players Benji wanted moving forward. The only people who seemed to not know it were his bosses who freaked after 5-6 weeks.
 
That's true but I was disgusted with his lack of effort on a number of occasions last year. We can make the same argument about Munster for Storm last year, who had a below average backrower in Loiero and Olam out of form, but there is still individual responsibility. Top players taking it easy only sets a bad standard for the young guys, in fact it's better to drop them to cup if they don't change their attitude in games
I didn’t see this but we all see the game differently. Thought Paps was an honest player and he won us at least one game against StGeorge with desperate cover defense.

When you go into games with made up halves like Laurie & To’a & Wakeham the whole team ends up looking ordinary.
 
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He made no secret of that mate. Told us all there was no lofty ambitions, it was a 3 year plan and they’d only be signing players Benji wanted moving forward. The only people who seemed to not know it were his bosses who freaked after 5-6 weeks.

Pretty sure I saw him say we won't come last - Or words to that effect also...
 
You always bring up his tackle on Brown. Fact is it is just one of his dominant tackles, a skill very few in our squad possess. His highlight package also includes changing momentum in our favour when coming off the bench in a few games last year and number of offloads. In fact more per carry than any other player in the NRL last year whilst keeping his metres per run and errors better than the league average.
He has proven abilities that few in the NRL possess.
Then consider that the bench of our best 17 probsbly includes the likes of Twal, Seyfarth and one S. Fainu or Kepoa. I think we still need the upgrade in the forwardswhich Blore is, than at centre which Olam should be.

Yes he is a genuine international...of a tier 2 nation. If he were only eligible for Australia I doubt he would have an international jersey. Olam is a bit of a one trick pony who relies on power running due to having very little footwork or ball skills to beat his opponent. His most recent season his power running was ineffective leaving him showing nothing in attack. His defence however was much worse, leading to him being dropped to reserve grade for much of the year.

What are the chances of Olam finding form and returning to one of the better centres in the comp? At a side that coming off the spoon? That has just further weakened its forward pack?
Probably much worse than an injury plagued young forward who looked to finally string some games together last season having an injury free season this year I'd suggest.
Well, Benji and club management agree with me. Which makes you wrong.

I reckon I’m responding to Justin Pascoe here aren’t I? You ran the club into the ground. By the way, your haircut and goatie and arm tatts are lame.

Only true fans agree with the swapping of Olam for CLB (Chicken Legs Blore).
 
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Well, Benji and club management agree with me. Which makes you wrong.

I reckon I’m responding to Justin Pascoe here aren’t I? You ran the club into the ground. By the way, your haircut and goatie and arm tatts are lame.

Only true fans agree with the swapping of Olam for CLB (Chicken Legs Blore).
That doesn't make me wrong, that is a classic example of an appeal to authority fallacy.
Olam actually rediscovering form and our bench forwards doing a respectable job in 2024 and Blore struggling in Melbourne will make me wrong. Let's hope I'm wrong.
 
That doesn't make me wrong, that is a classic example of an appeal to authority fallacy.
Olam actually rediscovering form and our bench forwards doing a respectable job in 2024 and Blore struggling in Melbourne will make me wrong. Let's hope I'm wrong.
Lol 3 things have got to go right for you to be wrong…
I’d say you’re pretty safe.
 

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