How Benji’s big Tiger risks will change club fortunes in long run

https://www.zerotackle.com/how-benjis-big-tiger-risks-will-change-club-fortunes-in-long-run-210203/
The past week has been extremely newsworthy for the Wests Tigers.

Star second-rower Isaiah Papali'i was granted permission to speak with other clubs for 2025. He was then snapped up by the Panthers very quickly.

Meanwhile CEO Shane Richardson has reportedly flown to England to discuss the availability of a number of his players.

As strange as this is going to sound, I absolutely love what I am hearing from the Tigers right now.

Talk was that Papali'i may have requested the chance to look at options next season. If this is true, the Tigers have absolutely made the right decision in allowing him to leave.

Will it help results in 2025? Almost certainly not. He's arguably a top three player for the club and his presence will be surely missed.

That said, the Wests Tigers are in a complete rebuild right now and it is far more important to establish a culture.

A culture where players want to be at the club.

A culture where players are targeted and signed based on need and value, rather than just availability.

Ultimately a winning culture!

Despite the negativity on some corners of social media, Marshall and co have accepted that a change needs to be made and embracing the short-term pain for long-term gain.

Regarding Shane Richardson's trip to England, reports are that he is shopping a number of players to Super League clubs.

I have no idea who is supposedly on this reported shopping list but I dare say there are some overpaid and underperforming names in need of some warmer clothes.

Despite some sections of the media already penning Benji Marshall's coaching career obituary, I love what I have seen from the rookie coach to date.

Yes, results aren't great and finals look gone for 2024 but anyone who expected a seismic shift in one off-season is not living in reality.

We've seen the emergence of Lachlan Galvin, a better than expected return on Aidan Sezer and most importantly of all the signing of Jarome Luai.

Most importantly of all though Marshall looks to have implemented a "club first" mentality the Tigers have lacked for many years.

Rumours of players complaining about being trained too hard under Michael Maguire. Premiership winning coach and current NSW Blues coach Michael Maguire.

Players using the Tigers as a shopwindow before demanding releases. See Ryan Matterson.

Targeting former big name players on big money only to see them underperform. I won't name names but there are four or five in the current "strongest 17".

Apisai Koroisau and Jarome Luai are the outliers, but most of the Tigers recent signings have been due to players having little other choice.

I don't want to kick the Tigers while they are down but it's truth!

Again, I don't want to name those players, but again ... we all know who they are.

By showing players, and fans, that the club isn't going to pander to player or agent demands, or is willing to move want-away stars on, they're showing confidence in themselves.

Confident that they can, once again, be a destination club. Confident that they can, once again, be a team that plays finals footy.

How many times have we seen big name players sign for Melbourne, Penrith or the Roosters for "unders"? Players will take under market value money to play for contenders.

Meanwhile the Tigers, currently, have to pay over market value to attract top line stars.

I'm hopeful that the Luai and Api connection can help kickstart a recruitment drive like that enjoyed by the Dogs. A few years ago the Dogs were feasting on scraps. In recent seasons they've attracted names like Matt Burton, Viliame Kikau and Stephen Crichton.

Those recruits will only arrive though if the Tigers can show they are serious.

Letting a supposed want-away star go shows that perhaps they are.

Flying your CEO to England to offer up players you've deemed excess to requirements also says they're getting serious.

There are four of five current Tigers who could go over to England and be stars. Or at least prolong their careers for a few seasons.

That said, they're no longer up to elite NRL standard, at least in the Tigers eyes.

Replacing Papali'i will be difficult but there is no way you can convince me that he's the difference between the Tigers making the eight and not.

If we're talking prime Cooper Cronk then of course the Tigers aren't allowing him to walk away but in Papali'i's case, so be it.

The player market isn't exactly heaving for 2025 right now but three days ago we didn't know Papali'i was going to move either.

With players and agents pushing for moves almost weekly, the Tigers can now sit on a pile of cap space and make smart choices, based on need.

You'd have to travel a long way to find a Tigers fan who would rather support a team without Papali'i in the side than one with him in there.

That said, there isn't a Tigers fan who, having suffered for over a decade now, wouldn't cop another down year or two if it meant a shift for the club long-term.

Benji and co have taken steps to ensure that happens.

Maybe it doesn't. At least they've changed from what they've been doing for ten years now, which absolutely has not worked.
 
The problem I have is that they sign a couple of good players every year … but they also let others go early .., so the squad as a whole never improves as they fill one hole but create another
Sure and it is an issue but it's about better cap management. I'm okay with Papali'i going because the depth around his position is better and he's poor value for money. As it stands, the two Panthers coming in are considerable upgrades on positions we are horribly weak in.
 
Spot on..
Considering all the injuries and suspensions we have had and the roster quality I think we have done pretty well.
Most we have conceded this year is 42 and with the player out there they are trying.
Richardson would have given the current players the 1st 10 rounds to prove themselves and now he knows what changes are needed and is starting to clean out.
I trust him and Benji to turn this around
Richo has said a few times that Benji is controlling the shots regarding r&r and it’s for the club officials to deliver to him the players he wants.

But I’m not sure we are doing the right thing dispensing with a r&r unit.

Benji needs all the time he can get with the players and figuring the game out.

He shouldnt be trawling through videos of York-on-Stote junior games with the vision obscured by fog and sleet.
 
Richo has said a few times that Benji is controlling the shots regarding r&r and it’s for the club officials to deliver to him the players he wants.

But I’m not sure we are doing the right thing dispensing with a r&r unit.

Benji needs all the time he can get with the players and figuring the game out.

He shouldnt be trawling through videos of York-on-Stote junior games with the vision obscured by fog and sleet.
Bring Pascoe and Lee back to watch the juniors you reckon? 😂
 
Yes, and I hope all the posters currently in the wars make it through.

Benji protecting the players recently, blaming his own game management-tactical I think.

The wisdom of it, I’m not sure. My mind is open on the topic.
Yes !!! 👍 👊 We do hope all the others in the wars make it through TSP.
And I'm pretty sure there must be 4 or 5 on here at least, @Buttface for instance.
Probably a few others that don't mention their health problem and just fight on in silence 💪💪💪.
Yes, and I hope all the posters currently in the wars make it through.

Benji protecting the players recently, blaming his own game management-tactical I think.

The wisdom of it, I’m not sure. My mind is open on the topic.
 
The club has won 10 of their last 60 games and is on its way to their third spoon in a row …

These results are matching historic levels of ineptitude during the NRL era now pushing 25 years …

As we sit here in the middle of another dead season..no one can honestly say that things will be better next year …we don’t know what the team is going to look like .. but things are not trending well…trying to spin the early loss of this player as a positive , who whilst has been disappointing is one of a handful of genuine first graders at the club, is pure BS in my mind…. The three time premiers wasted no time acquiring him,,,

The team won’t improve overall by attracting players like Luia and Turuva but losing Ice and possibly Stef (?) … two steps forward… two steps back … it’s a team sport …so you have to improve the squad …. One in one out isn’t helping …

Lot of pressure on Richo to make something happen for next year …
Luia is in the most important position though look at Parra without Moses they're headless chooks
 
It's hard to be positive when you lose all the time.

The reality is, despite the belief that we can't lose this guy, or that guy & ever be successful.....we can.

Chances are, the majority of the 'important players' in the current squad are not part of the long term success of this club (Long term = next 5-10 years).

Some might be. And some of those guys might leave as well.

The bit in the article that is MOST true is that the Tigers need to get away from being the club that overpays & become the club players take less to come play at.

Ideally, 'overpaying' for Luai is the last of those types of contracts. His contract, coupled with guys like Bula & Galvin, should see the club through to the influx of the quality juniors stepping into the squad.

Brace yourselves. We WILL lose more players. Some of those guys we can't possibly afford to lose. Apparently. But at the expense of not buying into long term, overbearing contracts....the club will be setting itself up for success.

Good clubs don't buy the core of their playing group. Not even the Roosters. You develop it. It might involve buying guys in the infancy (Latu Fainu type signings), but the bulk of the development is done in house. Go through our top 17 & pick out the guys we developed. It's been slim pickings. But it's getting better this year.
 
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It's no wonder you got a Blank stare, if you were wearing your red nose at the time😂.
I’m not as beautiful as Ciraldo.

Hes still an unofficial enemy of the club for his vain nonsense leading us on.

Although stronger arguments exists that we our own worst enemy.

The leaking of a Richos magical mystery tour suggests insurgents at very senior levels.

Not just for the damage so occasioned, but to prevent their next grand betrayal.

I think Noddy should be appointed to investigate. A team of untouchables.

The actual trip worries me a lot less than the leak.

We should be exploring all options all the time, but I worry Benji doesn’t have the time he needs.
 
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I’m not as beautiful as Ciraldo.

Hes still an unofficial enemy of the club for his vain nonsense leading us on.

Although stronger arguments exists that we our own worst enemy.

The leaking of a Richos magical mystery tour suggests insurgents at very senior levels.

Not just for the damage so occasioned, but to prevent their next grand betrayal.

I think Noddy should be appointed to investigate. A team of untouchables.

The actual trip worries me a lot less than the leak.
Don’t worry he really was only using it as an excuse to go over and sun himself on the beach 😂😂
 
Put together a list of suspects. Those with links to the old regime might be persons of interest.

The work experience kid’s mum works as a night cleaner at Brydens.
 
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Don’t worry he really was only using it as an excuse to go over and sun himself on the beach 😂😂
Well no one at the club has heard of zoom I guess.

That said, I’m sure it’s all tax deductible.

Hes in the wars himself Richo. A trip away, I’m not really sure he would enjoy it as much as others.

Depends on the deals struck I guess.

No hiking up the Scottish mountains for him singing the sound of music in Austrian fancy dress.
 
He needs a bit of sun, the bloke looks like he is on deaths door.
Put him up at your place, one of the guest rooms.

I was thinking of retiring in the tropics myself when the time comes. Put some off-road tyres on the Rav 4, fit a snorkel onto it.
 
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He needs a bit of sun, the bloke looks like he is on deaths door.
This is a concern for me. We’ve got the right man in the job and I actually wonder whether he’ll be able to see out the full 4 years of his contract given his health. It would be very Wests Tigers.

Can you think of another club who lost two genuine stars forever in consecutive seasons due to injury (Taniela and O’Dyer)?
 
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