Stefano Utoikamanu #241

[Lestronge]

You must of had shit coaches.

Mine always diagnosed the actual problem.

That is IDENTIFYING the problem ! There’s no intent . Hence the rev up ! It’s to inspire a response .
And I don’t believe for a second you’ve ever played , if that’s your response !
Sometimes especially as a forward you need to be challenged . It’s about intent , heart, and mongrel as much as talent . Especially against a more talented side .
It’s why QLD win every year , half the time with bench players for thier club or no names .
Your lack of knowledge around this startling … you honestly don’t know what your talking about !!

 

[BAGNF05]

That is IDENTIFYING the problem ! There’s no intent . Hence the rev up ! It’s to inspire a response .
And I don’t believe for a second you’ve ever played , if that’s your response !
Sometimes especially as a forward you need to be challenged . It’s about intent , heart, and mongrel as much as talent . Especially against a more talented side .
It’s why QLD win every year , half the time with bench players for thier club or no names .
Your lack of knowledge around this startling … you honestly don’t know what your talking about !!

Not sure how it turned into my playing career but whatever.

AD couldn’t tackle Manu and we were down 20 blot.

 

[Lestronge]

Not sure how it turned into my playing career but whatever.

AD couldn’t tackle Manu and we were down 20 blot.

Why were they down that end in the first place ! Why were we making 30m a set ? Why was the space there for AD to be exposed .
The whole forward pack needs a long hard look in the mirror , but I saw our forward leader who wants out and a mil a year , disappear . I saw the other teams forward leader who’s 300 years old , and lives for the collision , lift those around him , and rise to the challenge .
As for your playing career , or lack there of , don’t speak in absolutes and take passive aggressive shots at people when you obviously are talking out of your arse . I wouldn’t come out and call bullshit to what you’re saying !
As for the backs missing tackles , that’s a separate issue , but all games are won and lost in the middle third of the field . Both in attack and in defence .
There’s a reason engines are the metaphors used to describe forwards . Because without them , the car just won’t go .
And Stef had no intent on the weekend! You could see it in his eyes he didn’t want it ! And that’s the criticism and the question marks being raised about him .
Yet you have guys like Reuben Cotter , a dummy half coming through the grades , who’s probably 95kg absolute max , who plays with a will to win , and more importantly intent , and hunger .
That is the comparison being made and the question marks being raised .
The backs have to be accountable for this missed tackles and inability to diagnose the shape being thrown at them , but by that stage it’s a runaway train , you can try to stop it , but it’s bloody hard .
You don’t let the train get the momentum in the first place .

 

[Krammy]

Personally, I wouldn't mind if Stef found another club as he is inconsistent at best. How much is his performance reflective of the players around him? No doubt this has an effect, to a point, but we need someone on big dollars to be putting in every week, regardless of the other players in the team. Big Nelson, maybe, Hunt definitely... Interesting how it pans out.

 

[Camel2281]

Personally, I wouldn't mind if Stef found another club as he is inconsistent at best. How much is his performance reflective of the players around him? No doubt this has an effect, to a point, but we need someone on big dollars to be putting in every week, regardless of the other players in the team. Big Nelson, maybe, Hunt definitely... Interesting how it pans out.

Hunt plays about 25 minutes a game. He's not got the engine for what we require

 

[BAGNF05]

Why were they down that end in the first place ! Why were we making 30m a set ? Why was the space there for AD to be exposed .
The whole forward pack needs a long hard look in the mirror , but I saw our forward leader who wants out and a mil a year , disappear . I saw the other teams forward leader who’s 300 years old , and lives for the collision , lift those around him , and rise to the challenge .
As for your playing career , or lack there of , don’t speak in absolutes and take passive aggressive shots at people when you obviously are talking out of your arse . I wouldn’t come out and call bullshit to what you’re saying !
As for the backs missing tackles , that’s a separate issue , but all games are won and lost in the middle third of the field . Both in attack and in defence .
There’s a reason engines are the metaphors used to describe forwards . Because without them , the car just won’t go .
And Stef had no intent on the weekend! You could see it in his eyes he didn’t want it ! And that’s the criticism and the question marks being raised about him .
Yet you have guys like Reuben Cotter , a dummy half coming through the grades , who’s probably 95kg absolute max , who plays with a will to win , and more importantly intent , and hunger .
That is the comparison being made and the question marks being raised .
The backs have to be accountable for this missed tackles and inability to diagnose the shape being thrown at them , but by that stage it’s a runaway train , you can try to stop it , but it’s bloody hard .
You don’t let the train get the momentum in the first place .

a lot to unpack there.

 

[Tucker]

I’m still trying to picture Benji screaming down the radio when the Roosters are carving up our left edge,

“Tell Stef I need f$&king 25 hit ups”

Let’s start with 1

 

[Tim Sheens]

Possession was 51%-49% to Roosters, time in possession was Tigers 26.15 minutes, Roosters 27.36 minutes, defence was Tigers 339 tackles, Roosters 332, so your assumption is as good as Steph's game, which was very ordinary

Facts are seldom welcome when feelings abound.

 

[lathami]

Possession was 51%-49% to Roosters, time in possession was Tigers 26.15 minutes, Roosters 27.36 minutes, defence was Tigers 339 tackles, Roosters 332, so your assumption is as good as Steph's game, which was very ordinary

WOW settle down petal! Way to go off for nothing. Have a bex and a lie down.
U wouldn’t have thought possession was in tigers favour. Watching the game it didn’t seem that way. Bunji pumped it up to much, stupid move by him. As I have said previously the rooters only gave one weekness that’s their small halves. Simples run your big units at the small guys, wear them out tackling then they make poor decisions in attack! Tactics bunji, doesn’t have them, Robbo does though.

 

[hank37w]

I'll have to agree that I didn't see too much pressure being put on the Roosters halves and talking up the Suzuki Mighty Boy Ute vs JWH in the Ram 1500 was just pandering to Stefano.

Don't think the tactics were great on Benji's part, but then what is the point, we were always going to get slaughtered on the edges.

 

[BAGNF05]

Personally, I wouldn't mind if Stef found another club as he is inconsistent at best. How much is his performance reflective of the players around him? No doubt this has an effect, to a point, but we need someone on big dollars to be putting in every week, regardless of the other players in the team. Big Nelson, maybe, Hunt definitely... Interesting how it pans out.

Answer: it is reflective a lot.

At a macro level Rugby league is about building momentum as a unit and seizing moments in games as individuals. It can’t be underestimated how much the performance of the collective impacts on the ability of the individual, and vice versa.

 

[Terry T.Nuts]

Same with all the names of greats tossed up on the forum. Funny that.

Wonder why our front rower has itchy feet??

Must be great to be content with a prop who makes 50 metres. You would probably pay him 1 million a season and make him cocaptain with Bateman.

 

[Terry T.Nuts]

Anyone who thinks Stephanie is a gun prop needs to lay off the glass bbq and watch some real props, Welch, Hunt, Barnett, Collins, Tapine etc.

 

[BAGNF05]

Must be great to be content with a prop who makes 50 metres. You would probably pay him 1 million a season and make him cocaptain with Bateman.

I’d pay him around 850K and gradually improve the players around him so he has more opportunities to run the ball when we have forward momentum. I’d compliment him on his 34 tackles against a strong pack and lament with him that their classy outside backs were too strong on the day.

 

[BAGNF05]

Anyone who thinks Stephanie is a gun prop needs to lay off the glass bbq and watch some real props, Welch, Hunt, Barnett, Collins, Tapine etc.

Stef just dominated Tapine and Papali’i.

Despite being in the last placed team he also has more tackle breaks than any other prop forward in the NRL. The amateur statisticians haven’t pointed that fact out.

You combine that ability to bust tackles with a team that can develop a roll on and you start to understand why he’s going to earn the big bucks.

 

[Terry T.Nuts]

Stef just dominated Tapine and Papali’i .

He dominated no one, face facts he is overrated and soft. He is worth 450,000 maximum. His new name should be handbrake, no wonder Parra didn't cry when he pissed off.

 

[stephen]

Tinea??

 

[BAGNF05]

He dominated no one, face facts he is overrated and soft. He is worth 450,000 maximum. His new name should be handbrake, no wonder Parra didn't cry when he pissed off.

You have an odd definition of facts. His current market offer is 800-900K per annum. Roughly 1.5x the prime ministers earn.

Calling him soft and other such names on the internet would probably make him giggle though.

 

[Feline Carrier]

Let him go. His output at the moment is below par and thinking he's magically going to reverse it because he lands job security on huge money is insanity. He is not nearly good enough to command that sort of money. We did this for 11 seasons with a halfback. Would prefer hardworking no frills props over Stefano.

 

[Pascoes_barber]

Let him go. His output at the moment is below par and thinking he's magically going to reverse it because he lands job security on huge money is insanity. He is not nearly good enough to command that sort of money. We did this for 11 seasons with a halfback. Would prefer hardworking no frills props over Stefano.

Agreed 100%. Needs punting.