SO has this been a successful season now???

[twentyforty]

I can’t agree , both were in charge of our 2024 season and it was a failure in the nrl and reserve grade men’s , ladies NRLW , and some juniors as well , ni improvement at all. Benji may be a smart operator on field but so far has shown zero as a coach

Ok, delete “smart operator” and replace with reasonably high intelligence. How much input do you think they had in NRLW team?
The point is, there’s a common theme throughout the organisation.
Richo would be our highest paid CEO in Tigers history, but he is already showing signs of distress.
It saddens me to see a club with so much potential sitting on the bottom.

 

[balmain boy]

OK, I’ll get sprayed for this, but here goes.

Not sure why we even ask this question year after year?
Did we have a successful 2024?
Richo and Benji think so, but many would disagree, and why is that?
If our goal was to collect a third spoon and lose a few of our best players then break out the champagne!
Just had a horrible thought? Is the reason we keep asking this question due to us not knowing?
I suppose in the wash up the only measure of improvement is seen in hindsight. Can we truly know if 24 was successful until we see 25?

A 15 year bump. Impressive!

 

[twentyforty]

I think for those who place our seasons failure squarely in the hands of the coach, may have a point. Is it possible that our biggest failure was seen in the way we capitulated to get 750 points put on us?
Thats about 30 points per game?!
This is from a coach who insisted his coaching team were not coaching attack, but focussed solely on defence.
We sacked a perfectly good defensive coach who’s only negative was not having been a player in the 2005 team.

 

[balmain boy]

And no, this season was a complete failure. Nearly all of our teams had shocking seasons. No excuses.

 

[Kelce68]

A lot of importance is placed on ladder position. Is it possible that we may improve over the next 2 seasons and have 5 spoons?
We have failure in..
man management.
retention. Huge failure.
player agent management.
recruitment. Jury is out until late 25.
Coaching is on the improve, but at a slow rate.
Sacking of the board with no clear direction provided. This can only be seen as another fail until positions are resolved.
If only we had put up a fight in our last game? We were playing for the spoon and so were the Eels and we had 60 points put on us.

Before we just go off the deep end and ransack the place...

We have failure in..
man management.

Why? What's your metric on this?

retention. Huge failure.

Huge?
Stef is debatable. Papali'i is a loss. Large is a talent, but he had no path here and is a long way off.

In the same year, we've retained Makasini, probably the most sought after outside back junior across two codes.

player agent management.

What? What's your metric on this? Would you rather be the Moses Sea Eagles?

recruitment. Jury is out until late 25.

Lol.

Best half on the market. A four time premiership, state of origin and International-winning half.

Addressed shortages in the backs with a dual premiership winner who's at the beginning of his career, along with a beast of a metre-eater who's played at international level in two codes.

Best impact prop on the market.

A seasoned campaigner who is a gamble, but a smart, shorter-term contract.

But also, why until late 2025? Why not end of 2025? or start of 2026? or 7/16th of the way through 2025? or by 23rd of July 2025?

Coaching is on the improve, but at a slow rate.
Sacking of the board with no clear direction provided. This can only be seen as another fail until positions are resolved.

Huh? You mean the clear and straightforward plan and recommendations set out as part of the review, most of which have been implemented other than the board members, which is in the process of being finalised?

What about the strategy plan released back in April/May? Not clear enough?

If only we had put up a fight in our last game? We were playing for the spoon and so were the Eels and we had 60 points put on us.

This is an observation. 'Yes. That indeed did happen'. Point?

 

[Kelce68]

And no, this season was a complete failure. Nearly all of our teams had shocking seasons. No excuses.

There are literal, verifiable reasons why many of our junior clubs had poor seasons.

Taking a 'NOT ACCEPTABLE NO MATTER WHAT!' approach is nice and all, but it is ignorant and misses the clear context around results.

A proper analysis will take context and nuance into consideration, not reject it.

 

[innsaneink]

Bah...verifiable Reasons

We come last in just about every comp we we are part of... Won't say 'competed in'

 

[Pascoes_barber]

Coaching has not improved by any measure.

 

[jrtiger]

Coaching has not improved by any measure.

I'll disagree on that. we had two more wins than last year and the year prior.

there was a clear game plan in place that was then adapted when it was clear we couldn't go through the middle, because we had no size in the forwards or backs. while there were issues amongst the senior players, a lot of the kids that debuted, while not all ready for first grade, looked motivated and hungry. that indicates to me they're buying into what Marshall has to say.

Marshall got Spoonbowl completely wrong, but I saw signs of IQ, DNA and a game plan that I haven't seen since Madge's early months in the job. work has been done and is still being done to improve the roster, I'm confident that it's more a squad issue than it is a coaching one.

 

[tiger_one]

OK, I’ll get sprayed for this, but here goes.

Not sure why we even ask this question year after year?
Did we have a successful 2024?
Richo and Benji think so, but many would disagree, and why is that?
If our goal was to collect a third spoon and lose a few of our best players then break out the champagne!
Just had a horrible thought? Is the reason we keep asking this question due to us not knowing?
I suppose in the wash up the only measure of improvement is seen in hindsight. Can we truly know if 24 was successful until we see 25?

But champion @twentyforty - this question was last asked in 2009, not so much "every year."
And for good reason.
Blind Freddie can see what he can see. 😉

 

[Tucker]

I'll disagree on that. we had two more wins than last year and the year prior.

there was a clear game plan in place that was then adapted when it was clear we couldn't go through the middle, because we had no size in the forwards or backs. while there were issues amongst the senior players, a lot of the kids that debuted, while not all ready for first grade, looked motivated and hungry. that indicates to me they're buying into what Marshall has to say.

Marshall got Spoonbowl completely wrong, but I saw signs of IQ, DNA and a game plan that I haven't seen since Madge's early months in the job. work has been done and is still being done to improve the roster, I'm confident that it's more a squad issue than it is a coaching one.

There is some truth to that, however we should never forget that Benji and his crew announced how theyd concentrated on our defence during the pre season and the result of that focus was our worst defensive results in the club's 25 year history.

 

[tigertuff]

I'll disagree on that. we had two more wins than last year and the year prior.

there was a clear game plan in place that was then adapted when it was clear we couldn't go through the middle, because we had no size in the forwards or backs. while there were issues amongst the senior players, a lot of the kids that debuted, while not all ready for first grade, looked motivated and hungry. that indicates to me they're buying into what Marshall has to say.

Marshall got Spoonbowl completely wrong, but I saw signs of IQ, DNA and a game plan that I haven't seen since Madge's early months in the job. work has been done and is still being done to improve the roster, I'm confident that it's more a squad issue than it is a coaching one.

Agreed. On an individual basis, I think most players improved under Benji. You could see a continual decline in performances under Madge but to be fair to Benji I think most guys got better. When you play 35 guys in first grade for the year it's hard to get the continuity in their performances.

 

[twentyforty]

Before we just go off the deep end and ransack the place...

You'll need to explain that mate? Not sure what you mean?

We have failure in..
man management.

Why? What's your metric on this?

Simple. use your imagination and see what the esprit de corps would look like if it were great.

retention. Huge failure.

Huge?
Stef is debatable. Papali'i is a loss. Large is a talent, but he had no path here and is a long way off.

In the same year, we've retained Makasini, probably the most sought after outside back junior across two codes.

Stefano is a top 3 prop.

player agent management.

What? What's your metric on this? Would you rather be the Moses Sea Eagles?

We obviously don't have a good rapport with agents.

recruitment. Jury is out until late 25.

Lol.

Best half on the market. A four time premiership, state of origin and International-winning half.

Addressed shortages in the backs with a dual premiership winner who's at the beginning of his career, along with a beast of a metre-eater who's played at international level in two codes.

Best impact prop on the market.

A seasoned campaigner who is a gamble, but a smart, shorter-term contract.

But also, why until late 2025? Why not end of 2025? or start of 2026? or 7/16th of the way through 2025? or by 23rd of July 2025?

He was the best half in the last game we saw him in. He will need to put on a Tigers jersey and prove he's worth the additional $1.6m

Coaching is on the improve, but at a slow rate.

Are you suggesting the Coaching hasn't improved? Or is improving rapidly?

Sacking of the board with no clear direction provided. This can only be seen as another fail until positions are resolved.

Huh? You mean the clear and straightforward plan and recommendations set out as part of the review, most of which have been implemented other than the board members, which is in the process of being finalised?

What about the strategy plan released back in April/May? Not clear enough?

As Mike Tyson says everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. A plan is only as good as its implementation and execution. The review has died on the vine. If and when it gets legs let me know.

If only we had put up a fight in our last game? We were playing for the spoon and so were the Eels and we had 60 points put on us.

This is an observation. 'Yes. That indeed did happen'. Point?

I'm pleased we can at least agree on one point. 🤣

 

[twentyforty]

There are literal, verifiable reasons why many of our junior clubs had poor seasons.

Taking a 'NOT ACCEPTABLE NO MATTER WHAT!' approach is nice and all, but it is ignorant and misses the clear context around results.

A proper analysis will take context and nuance into consideration, not reject it.

Another way of saying "we almost got it right"? We cant keep putting up excuses disguised as "reasons."

 

[kiwitiger]

Your only as good as your last game. So no

 

[Kelce68]

You'll need to explain that mate? Not sure what you mean?

Simple. use your imagination and see what the esprit de corps would look like if it were great.

Stefano is a top 3 prop.

We obviously don't have a good rapport with agents.

He was the best half in the last game we saw him in. He will need to put on a Tigers jersey and prove he's worth the additional $1.6m

Are you suggesting the Coaching hasn't improved? Or is improving rapidly?

As Mike Tyson says everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. A plan is only as good as its implementation and execution. The review has died on the vine. If and when it gets legs let me know.

I'm pleased we can at least agree on one point. 🤣

I dont what you were trying to achieve by your answers here, but you've not made much traction 😅

 

[TIGERS]

The results were poor. We should have won more games for sure.

But I am SO happy with the engagement with Western Sydney. The results of the review into the club far exceeded my expectations. I'm happy with Richo. I feel like we are no longer playing fantasy football at and are back to being a serious 'club' again.

Benji is a smart guy and he has the toughest job in Rugby League right now. There has been a lot of orchestrating and recruiting and clear-out and blooding of juniors, you know, this football program was kicked off in mid 2022 and had a whole 6 months to get things ready for the 2023 season. I back the current team, and I'm pretty confident we are going to have a vastly improved season.

But yes, if we finish in the bottom 3 next year, its time to get a new coach.

 

[balmain boy]

There are literal, verifiable reasons why many of our junior clubs had poor seasons.

Taking a 'NOT ACCEPTABLE NO MATTER WHAT!' approach is nice and all, but it is ignorant and misses the clear context around results.

A proper analysis will take context and nuance into consideration, not reject it.

Incorrect.

We recruited poorly across most grades. We were charged very poorly across most grades. We had to rely on throwing kids up a grade or two well before they were ready because the club had completely failed to setup a pathway where players must earn promotions.

There really were few positives, the emergence of Galvin and Fainu, that's about it.

 

[Kelce68]

Incorrect.

We recruited poorly across most grades. We were charged very poorly across most grades. We had to rely on throwing kids up a grade or two well before they were ready because the club had completely failed to setup a pathway where players must earn promotions.

There really were few positives, the emergence of Galvin and Fainu, that's about it.

Oh, cute, you tried.

What exactly am I wrong about?

I stated that there is context around the shortcomings of the junior grades, which is correct, and, that taking a black white approach to analysing the season is ignorant and over simplistic. Which is also correct.

You're arguing a strawman here fella.

 

[balmain boy]

Oh, cute, you tried.

What exactly am I wrong about?

I stated that there is context around the shortcomings of the junior grades, which is correct, and, that taking a black white approach to analysing the season is ignorant and over simplistic. Which is also correct.

You're arguing a strawman here fella.

I'm becoming increasingly convinced you're Pascoe. That's exactly the sort of dribble he'd come up with.
We had the worst season in the history of the club. A spectacular failure.
The context is we had shit squads and shit coaches. There were no extenuating circumstances that the club didn't create themselves through our own incompetence.