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GNR4LIFE said:
The problem isn’t so much that he struggled, it’s another example of how he’s the first to mock others for doing things he can’t even do himself.
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But he did do it lol....thats the point you are missing.
Old Joe would have killed himself most likely...
 
Jimmy said:
I love how we can all hate each other in this thread but go back to being bros in other tiger related ones, it’s really shows just how good of a community we have here.
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I wouldn't overstate the hate.

Concern of frustration probably.

What is clear is that sport is entirely unrelated to politics or religion, in that you can entirely agree with someone about sport but not necessarily about other world issues. I am glad that mostly the footy talk dominates but I understand other folks want to chat about mental health, bitcoin, politics etc.

Specifically on this topic I've done a lot of reading and I have strong opinions on the US political climate. I used to not care but I discovered that was a naive position to take. Or perhaps more correctly I used to not care until (a) COVID (b) China aggression (c) first Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon presidency (d) Jan 6 riots (e) Ukraine War (f) escalated Hamas conflict (g) Brexit all happened within the past 4 years and I'm trying to raise 3 young Australians with my Scottish-Australian wife.
 
jirskyr said:
Tiresome.

I agree the Democrats could have a better candidate, but she's still superior to Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. It's a two-horse race, even if it's the battle of two lesser candidates; unfortunately Jesus Christ, Gandhi, Churchill, Mandela, Lincoln, Julius Caesar and all the other great leaders of history are too dead to be part of this US election.

Harris was ATAG for 6 years, senator for 4 years and VP for 4 years and you reckon she's DEI. It's just a plain stupid thing to be repeating, whether you are doing it because she's a woman, she's not white or because you just don't like the way she speaks. You can't get as far as she has being a moron or having no abilities, and as I keep saying to people, don't ever mistake conflating public speaking ability with governing ability. Some of the best speakers aren't great leaders and some very effective leaders aren't great in front of a microphone.
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It's the words coming out of her mouth not the delivery that is the issue.
 
upthetigers said:
It's the words coming out of her mouth not the delivery that is the issue.
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She doesnt answer any questions.
She has an amazing philabusting ability...spew out some talking points and bag your oponent appropriately. Thatll do.
People are more savvy towars politics these days. That shit is not enough anymore.
 
Tucker said:
She doesnt answer any questions.
She has an amazing philabusting ability...spew out some talking points and bag your oponent appropriately. Thatll do.
People are more savvy towars politics these days. That shit is not enough anymore.
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Put her on the spot and she buckles because she doesn't stand for anything.
 
upthetigers said:
It's the words coming out of her mouth not the delivery that is the issue.
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Specifically what though? I'm interested in the Cliff's notes of what the concerns are.

Harris seems to me to be pushing fairly moderate and society-focused policies, more or less a continuation of the Biden administration. She has more focus on the border than Biden does, though that's partially Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's fault for killing the bipartisan border deal.

In general for the US crime is down, unemployment is down, inflation is under control again and their economy is booming. The Dems have really pushed the manufacturing and technology policies and it's working - huge huge internal investment in those fields and creating demand for skilled jobs.

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon by contrast has nothing. He's going to round up a million illegals and dump them... somewhere. He's threatening to cut off Ukraine and withdraw from several security alliances. He's going to raise large tariffs and make America more isolationist. Quite likely a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon President will also become super focused on domestic issues, e.g. revenge on his enemies, consolidation of power etc. and take his eye off the international ball.

I really will never understand how people don't realise it's a two-horse race. It's not about 2 great candidates, it's about the 2 candidates they have. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is a terrible candidate - he's risky, he lacks standard ethics and morals, he can't be trusted and he's already had one term and it was a bad one. Harris is a better option. I wish the Dems could get their shit together and stump up a better option, but she's still superior to Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, especially for Australian interests.

Close parallels in Australia. I think Albo is doing a passable job but Dutton is almost unelectable. It's not that Albo is great, it's that the Liberals are exceedingly weak. They were decimated by Teals last election, that's how far they've fallen, and the Nationals now wield more power within the Coalition than they ever have. So it's not about whether Albo is great, it's whether he's better than his opponent, which he definitely is. Dutton is a terrible candidate at this time, no policies except this bizarre uncosted plan for nuclear and no clear idea how he would tackle immigration or housing or cost of living in a different manner than Labor has. Also not yet even mentioning how bad the previous 9 years of Coalition rule became, how terrible a job they did to get us to this current position, how wasteful and ignorant they were.
 
WesternSuburbsBoy said:
Couldn’t give a shit about politics but lowkey hoping Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon loses just to see the fallout it would cause. I predict 1. Definite riots in the streets 2. Threats for a civil war.
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Yeah bro, part of the reason why I'm here for is the
eventual fallout from all this haha. Interesting times
 
jirskyr said:
Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon by contrast has nothing. He's going to round up a million illegals and dump them... somewhere. He's threatening to cut off Ukraine and withdraw from several security alliances. He's going to raise large tariffs and make America more isolationist. Quite likely a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon President will also become super focused on domestic issues
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That sounds pretty good, if I was an American...
 
jirskyr said:
Ha that's a good one - "embellished for effect to bolster your argument". I think that almost entirely meets the definition of how an internet forum works.

But then you go on to say it is a "fact" that Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon personally limited overseas conflict. So tell me again about embellishment for your own argument. Please don't even begin to try to say that "Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon in power = no conflict" as some kind of cause and effect, as if Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon being in power prevents conflict or moves towards conflict.

I made another post earlier today, but tell me again how Russia did nothing, China did not increase their military and increase threats on Taiwan and Asian neighbours, how Hamas and Hezbollah were cowed, how the Taliban was controlled, how Israel was quietened under Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. How the relationship with Iran was stabilised. How North Korea ceased nuclear and ballistic missile testing.

It's so crazy ignorant to think that belligerents make these moves towards conflict in a vacuum, as if they all flicked a switch when Biden became president. As if they were all doing bad stuff during Obama, then stopped during Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, then started again under Biden. As if the last 3 land wars involving America were not initiated by Republican Presidents.

Equally crazy ignorant to think that Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's actions were entirely unrelated to the issues that arose subsequently, as if Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's administration had no part to play in any decisions taken from the day after he ceased being President. As if his withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal didn't encourage Iran to work on their nukes in secret and continue to back their terrorist proxies, who then kill a thousand Israelis and set off the current issues, but nonetheless issues that have festered in the Levant for thousands of years, but more specifically every single year since the state of Israel was created.

As if Putin had not annexed land in Georgia and Ukraine prior to Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. As if Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's pressure and disdain for NATO didn't embolden Putin to think that America might not support Europe if he invaded Ukraine a second time, that Putin took a punt that America would turn a blind eye.

And as if any countries were truly in a position to take decisive military action of any kind when Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's final year was the start of the pandemic.

Also rash to think that American protectionism ever serves Australia's best interests. It does not! Never has in the past, will not in the future. We are best served by having a continuation of our decades-long stable relationship with the US, and for the US themselves to have stable relationships with our neighbours and partners. Harris is very likely to continue this stability, whereas with Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon all bets are off.

I'll say this again because a lot of what I do is risk management. It's not specifically that 100% of what Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon will do will be bad for Australia; that's not the argument. The argument is that when there are a lot of important issues on the line and Australia has a lot of international concerns (global material supply, climate change, geopolitical security, energy supply, global inflation and living costs, global supply changes), we want the low-risk option to occur. We want the predictable and stable relationships to continue. We don't want the hot-headed and egotistical leaders throwing their considerable weight around.

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is not dependable, he is not predictable. He can't be trusted. He lies as a habit. We can't work properly with these people. Harris is the low-risk option for Americans to take.
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Ha that's a good one - "embellished for effect to bolster your argument". I think that almost entirely meets the definition of how an internet forum works.
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No. It's not. All you're saying here is that it's ok to be inaccurate. It's not. That a silly statement.
But then you go on to say it is a "fact" that Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon personally limited overseas conflict. So tell me again about embellishment for your own argument. Please don't even begin to try to say that "Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon in power = no conflict" as some kind of cause and effect, as if Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon being in power prevents conflict or moves towards conflict.
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No. I didn't. I said he had a track record of 'limiting large, overseas conflict' which, when we look at his first term versus Biden's, is a clearly, indisputable fact. The large, major conflicts in the world at the moment are, but not limited to, Ukraine, Gaza and possibly the burgeoning Hezbollah offensive. All of those have escalated under the Biden administration. That is an objective fact.

I made another post earlier today, but tell me again how Russia did nothing, China did not increase their military and increase threats on Taiwan and Asian neighbours, how Hamas and Hezbollah were cowed, how the Taliban was controlled, how Israel was quietened under Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. How the relationship with Iran was stabilised. How North Korea ceased nuclear and ballistic missile testing.
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Did I say that Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon ceased all overseas hostilities? No. That is a straw man argument. Try to actually be accurate and if you want to attack my assertions, at least be intellectually honest enough to correctly assertain my point first.


Also rash to think that American protectionism ever serves Australia's best interests. It does not! Never has in the past, will not in the future. We are best served by having a continuation of our decades-long stable relationship with the US, and for the US themselves to have stable relationships with our neighbours and partners. Harris is very likely to continue this stability, whereas with Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon all bets are off.

I'll say this again because a lot of what I do is risk management. It's not specifically that 100% of what Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon will do will be bad for Australia; that's not the argument. The argument is that when there are a lot of important issues on the line and Australia has a lot of international concerns (global material supply, climate change, geopolitical security, energy supply, global inflation and living costs, global supply changes), we want the low-risk option to occur. We want the predictable and stable relationships to continue. We don't want the hot-headed and egotistical leaders throwing their considerable weight around.

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is not dependable, he is not predictable. He can't be trusted. He lies as a habit. We can't work properly with these people. Harris is the low-risk option for Americans to take.

These are subjective predictions. They're ones you're entitled to make. But they're not fact, they are conjecture. As such, it's not going to be the firmest of arguments, no matter how much you wave your hands or jump up and down (not you specifically, anyone arguing that conjecture is fact). Whilst past performance is not an indicator of future performance, it's one of the better metrics we have, so if you want to compare past admins involving each of these two, specifically as it pertains to 'stability' as you put it, best we look at the state of the US and and key world economies, international relations and current, international conflicts at play. Which term were those worse under? 2016-2020 or 2020-2024?

There are, of course, some elements of truth in what you're saying. But the incumbency (Dems) is a greater indication of stability than a prediction of what Harris will or won't do or what Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon will or won't do simply by virtue of their perceived (and curated) public personas.

You are, as is common, conflating Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon the person with Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon the administration. We have evidence of Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon as POTUS, do we have evidence of Harris as POTUS?.....

....Sounds like a bit of a risk to me.
 
My gut feeling is that the polls have under counted the 'quiet' Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon voter again. Funnily enough, the opposite has happened at the last two mid-terms which I think speaks to Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's messianic appeal to his supporters, ie if he's not on the ballot, they stay away.
 
TV Ted Ellery said:
My gut feeling is that the polls have under counted the 'quiet' Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon voter again. Funnily enough, the opposite has happened at the last two mid-terms which I think speaks to Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's messianic appeal to his supporters, ie if he's not on the ballot, they stay away.
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Depends which polls you are looking at.
The ones Ive been looking at have all been predicting a comfortable win for the GOP.
 
TV Ted Ellery said:
Putting partisanship to one side, for any punters, the candidates' odds tend to oscillate wildly on election day as the votes filter in. Last election, Biden drifted out to $3.50 and Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon to $7 in the 2016 election. I won on both, but this time I don't have the heart to make a bet.
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I had a quick look on TV earlier it seemed like Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon was cruising but that was only three states and early days I guess
 
For those playing at home, Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is forming as strong favourite in the betting markets. No doubt there is an element of punters going off early, but exit polls in Georgia and the comfort of Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's win in Florida - though not a swing state anymore - weigh in Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon's favour.
 
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