OFFICIAL Lachlan Galvin #277 *Released* Career Discussion.

We have very few friends in this competition and we need to preserve and respect the ones we have instead of alienating them for our lack of success.
IMO we have to stay solid with Benji because he more than anyone wants this club to succeed while others wouldn't give us the time of day.
There are clubs that benefit from our position camped at the bottom of the table, and there is enough evidence to suggest that managers are equally happy to place their clients in our system only to move them on when it suits them - out juniors have an overinflated profile compared to those in other clubs
We always knew that we were low on depth and weariness and injuries were going to provide a challenge. The Galvin situation is a kick in the guts for the coaching team and the senior players who now carry suspicion of bullying - which I have no doubt is BS. Can't believe some a buying it given Moses history with the club.
Can't defend their camp for one minute as it is clear as dogs balls that they will sink to any level to not honour their contract.
 
Tucker said:
LOL thats not true at all. Most people wanted him fired out of Concorde via catapult. We laughed at him for weeks for getting a barbeque for his "service". He was and likely still is our most hated squad member ever.

You do realise everything you are saying here is proving my point? Him staying in a shit system brought no success. His loyalty failed him. By ditching it and going to a new better system, success came.

Obviously it isnt an all encompassing statement and there are outliers. Look at Api. He had to watch his old team win back to back premierships whilst he collected back to back spoons. I guess at the end of his career he'll reflect on his decision to chase the money vs continued success. Maybe staying loyal on less was the correct option there? Maybe setting up his family was better?
The kids we are talking about arent in the same position. They are chasing success and expecting that the riches will follow.
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And as somebody who dislikes that sentiment, I'll continue to advocate for a different mindset and hope that others around the game do the same.

I'd say the current prevalence of loyalty over money is above that of just being outliers and I hope that the balance continues to shift back away from chasing cheap success.

You do realise everything you are saying here is proving my point? Him staying in a shit system brought no success. His loyalty failed him. By ditching it and going to a new better system, success came.
Except it doesn't though. Whilst it turned out that way, it may not have.

At the point he resigned, which was the show of loyalty, the future of that Tigers' side wasn't written. We may have picked up 5 top shelf players and go on a run into finals.

That obviously didn't happen, but in that situation, same player, same loyalty, would've lead to success. It was factors outside of his control (quality of the squad/coaching) and some bad luck that brought the lack of success, not the act of remaining loyal itself.

TDS for example, could remain loyal, do his time, take over from Api in 27 and the side can start to dominate the league as we start regularly making finals.

Or, he could remain loyal, do his time, take over from Api in 27 and then be the hooker for a side that cops bad injury after bad injury, a couple of poor recruitment decisions and some cos ching upheaval, and continue to languish around 14th for the next 5-7 years.

Success is determined by more, uncontrollable variables than can be determined by loyalty, or lack thereof alone.
 
Kelce68 said:
Yes, and Benji is a, if not the, key reason we were able to bring those players to the club. Additionally, Bula, Pole, Starford and Doueihi are playing their best footy for a couple of years.

Recruitment and development are big components of coaching - Benji is doing it well.

His game plans, use of the bench and general selections are head scratching at times at best. He's got a lot of work to do.

But ultimately, a coach is judged on winning games.

He's winning games. Ergo, he can coach.

.... Even if he's a very incomplete coach thus far.
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Yes and I agreed. I also think the team is heading for a cliff. If he can stop it going over, ill give him credit.
What about the rest of what I said?
We are losing players who dont want to play for him
Our defence is awful. After 11 rounds, it is worse than it was in all three spoon years.
Player morale is looking jittery. The group look to be struggling with the culture change and the young blokes especially dont look happy. This is something he should be working on.
 
hank37w said:
Who's to say that in a year or two TDS would not be the starter and Api is #14 coming on for limited minutes working his magic as a game breaker.
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Exactly my view. I just cannot see how Api over the next 18mths will be a 80min week to week hooker. At some point his minutes will drop and so will his effectiveness. TDS would absolutely get a heap of playing time and will end up with more than his fair share of starting.

The other thing is that Hookers in today’s game just don’t play consistently for 10yrs let alone for 80mins a game now. So TDS have a very long career infront and shouldn’t be focused on rushing forward.

I know first hand how the Storm have managed Grant, Pezet and Sua - it’s 100% focused on longer term not short term. All these players will make money & will get a heap of games. It’s about keeping miles in the legs, change in body shape, getting the body use to the larger contact (which takes a few years) and building knowledge from those around them.
 
Kelce68 said:
And as somebody who dislikes that sentiment, I'll continue to advocate for a different mindset and hope that others around the game do the same.

I'd say the current prevalence of loyalty over money is above that of just being outliers and I hope that the balance continues to shift back away from chasing cheap success.

You do realise everything you are saying here is proving my point? Him staying in a shit system brought no success. His loyalty failed him. By ditching it and going to a new better system, success came.
Except it doesn't though. Whilst it turned out that way, it may not have.

At the point he resigned, which was the show of loyalty, the future of that Tigers' side wasn't written. We may have picked up 5 top shelf players and go on a run into finals.

That obviously didn't happen, but in that situation, same player, same loyalty, would've lead to success. It was factors outside of his control (quality of the squad/coaching) and some bad luck that brought the lack of success, not the act of remaining loyal itself.

TDS for example, could remain loyal, do his time, take over from Api in 27 and the side can start to dominate the league as we start regularly making finals.

Or, he could remain loyal, do his time, take over from Api in 27 and then be the hooker for a side that cops bad injury after bad injury, a couple of poor recruitment decisions and some cos ching upheaval, and continue to languish around 14th for the next 5-7 years.

Success is determined by more, uncontrollable variables than can be determined by loyalty, or lack thereof alone.
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When Brooks left, the entire RL world knew why he was going. He was chasing success. He wanted to play finals footy. By staying loyal to this club, he was missing out. It is always a risk when you leave an employer but often if you dont have the balls to do so, you never find out if it was worth it. As it turned out, he got his success and has one less spoon on his resume. It worked.

Our young blokes are watching. They saw Shaun Blore play a GF after leaving. There is a risk vs reward element for sure. The Wests Tiger fan wants them to all stay. The RL fan understands their decision to explore options.
 
Honestly who gives a shit about a 19 year old kid . Luke others have said I’m more irritated with the club screwing up the Large negotiations than letting Galvin go .
But if I’m playing devils advocate , someone at the club really pumped up the tires of that Harold Matt’s prem team . As nearly to a man they’ve all behaved like they’re superstars already .
Was it sheens and McDonnell ? The whole club ? Benji . Like from miller and his shenanigans to Galvin and his shenanigans to even the large boys coming in a trying to dictate how and when they play first grade , humility definitely wasn’t one of that teams key virtues . Jesus …
We screwed the pooch with those kids . There’s plenty of kids coming through to rival that Matt’s team in the future . Hopefully we learnt our lessons with too much too soon .
 
What i find strange in this whole situation is the lack of interest in signing him. Considering the media buildup and hype surrounding this kid and the fact that all astute pundits consider the kid is a future star that only 2 clubs have shown any interest in even considering an offer. You would think every club would be putting out feelers if the kid is as good as the experts say. Yet only the 2 clubs that were always considered his go to options are it.
 
Another thing i find funny about this whole thing is that the kid is seriously weighing up moving to the dogs. So he has major issues with bullying at the tigers but is ok with the bullying situation at the dogs which is currently in the courts. Frigging hypocrite.
 
diedpretty said:
Another thing i find funny about this whole thing is that the kid is seriously weighing up moving to the dogs. So he has major issues with bullying at the tigers but is ok with the bullying situation at the dogs which is currently in the courts. Frigging hypocrite.
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The bullying thing isnt real.
Its a clear ploy with 2 intended outcomes.
  1. A warning shot to the club to stop the social media pile on and ensure the work environment was at least tolerable.
  2. Laying the foundations for a push at early release.
It seems to have worked as intended.
 
do we think he’ll be out of here before June 30? Based on last weeks game alone, I got the sense that there was one foot out the door. It didn’t look like a united group
 
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