HBG, Independent Directors Sacked

[GNR4LIFE]

This is what I do not, cannot, understand. If they are still suffering such pain and anguish from the merger even with everyone saying the Wests part of Wests Magpies for the last 26 years (which is ok, but not the tigers part of Balmain Tigers 🤔), why are they are happy to put another generation of supporters through the same? I don't get it. As a kid, I had a pretty rough/violent upbringing. I did not subject my kids to the same. I did not want them to feel that pain and trauma, so I just can't understand why there is a group of supporters who would want that.

Indoctrinating them into supporting a club that hasn’t been in first grade for over 25 years is the bigger issue imo. It’s just sad. That’s the most fitting word i can think of. You just know these idiots would send them to school with Magpies gear. And knowing what kids are like, you know they would get sideways glances at an old absolute minimum for wearing gear of a club that disappeared 20 years before they were born and have no concept of.

 

[Vicious]

Indoctrinating them into supporting a club that hasn’t been in first grade for over 25 years is the bigger issue imo. It’s just sad. That’s the most fitting word i can think of. You just know these idiots would send them to school with Magpies gear. And knowing what kids are like, you know they would get sideways glances at an old absolute minimum for wearing gear of a club that disappeared 20 years before they were born and have no concept of.

Recent statements are all about supporting Wests Tigers.
The narrative that it’s all about the Magpies is an agenda being pushed by trouble makers who just want to cause division.
Wanting our NSW Cup feeder team to remain unchanged as Wests Magpies has no bearing on our NRL team and does not mean Wests Tigers are not being fully supported at NRL level.
The reality is by 2030 at the latest, if not earlier our NSW Cup feeder team will be known as Wests Tigers.
So if certain people cannot handle the name of our NSW Cup feeder team remaining unchanged for another couple of years, they are not true supporters and clearly have an agenda.
We didn’t see Roosters and Sharks fans kicking and screaming when their NSW Cup feeder team was or is Newtown Jets.

 

[You Know Who]

Care to show your face in here again @Vicious ? Or are you going to do what you do best and slink away, wait for the heat to die down and then continue spouting your pro-HBG propaganda?

No intestinal fortitude whatsoever.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Recent statements are all about supporting Wests Tigers.
The narrative that it’s all about the Magpies is an agenda being pushed by trouble makers who just want to cause division.
Wanting our NSW Cup feeder team to remain unchanged as Wests Magpies has no bearing on our NRL team and does not mean Wests Tigers are not being fully supported at NRL level.

I couldn’t care less about NSW Cup. Whether it’s the Magpies, or WT’s, I’ll pay the same amount of attention to them (zero). Regarding them coming back to first grade, for the 87th time, it’s not happening. Whether HBG want that or not. And it’s definitely not worth getting triggered over cos a few old Magpie dinosaur supporters want. They are at the bottom of the barrel as far as relevance goes.

 

[Vicious]

Care to show your face in here again @Vicious ? Or are you going to do what you do best and slink away, wait for the heat to die down and then continue spouting your pro-HBG propaganda?

No intestinal fortitude whatsoever.

Continue you with your one sided argument and try and ridicule what is fair and reasonable.
No idea how to think objectively.

 

[Vicious]

I couldn’t care less about NSW Cup. Whether it’s the Magpies, or WT’s, I’ll pay the same amount of attention to them (zero). Regarding them coming back to first grade, for the 87th time, it’s not happening. Whether HBG want that or not. And it’s definitely not worth getting triggered over cos a few old Magpie dinosaur supporters want. They are at the bottom of the barrel as far as relevance goes.

For the 87th time there is no push for the Magpies except to retain them at NSW Cup level for another couple of years.
Nobody is currently asking for the Maglies at NRL level except for trouble makers who are making it up and trying to cause division which is not a good things for our CEO, coach or playing group.
People making up stories to cause division are the biggest problem we currently have at Wests Tigers.

 

[You Know Who]

Continue you with your one sided argument and try and ridicule what is fair and reasonable.
No idea how to think objectively.

Objective? You’ve been exposed by multiple posters, not to mention AI, as a biased and dishonest hack who weasels and runs anytime your BS pro-HBG theories are exposed.

You’re a liar, a coward and a fool. And before mods have a little fit and go to delete this post, this isn’t name calling. It’s stating objective fact, based on 400 pages of evidence + AI analysis.

 

[Vicious]

Objective? You’ve been exposed by multiple posters, not to mention AI, as a biased and dishonest hack who weasels and runs anytime your BS pro-HBG theories are exposed.

You’re a liar, a coward and a fool. And before mods have a little fit and go to delete this post, this isn’t name calling. It’s stating objective fact, based on 400 pages of evidence + AI analysis.

You are the liar, there is no push for Magpies at NRL level, yet you continue to push your agenda and make it up to cause division.
Just another false accusation based on past comments and is not up to date information.
An absolute disgrace to continue pushing this agenda, have a good look at yourself.
I would say by 2028/2029 it will be all Wests Tigers except for the junior rep teamscand maybe a Wests Magpies Ron Massey Cup team.
Everyone knows and is aware of this except those who want to cause division.

 

[2041]

If things were as bad as most of you on here think they are, why would BOF and the other board members agree to return?

I've noticed you're a strong critic of HBG which includes Wests Ashfield and Wests Magpies whether you like it or not, so I've got a question for you that I have asked of two others and not received a reply.

How do 'you' differentiate between following Balmain TIGERS and Wests TIGERS.

To me it seems a big majority of anti-HBG followers would feel they are still following the same team, Balmain.
It seems to me there wouldn't be any psychological difficulty in going from one Tigers team to another Tigers Team either, as compared to changing from Magpies to Tigers.
Also 99% of people on here that refer to our JV team refer to us as TIGERS, not Wests, so the Wests part of our JV name apparently means nothing.
Please explain.

I'll have a go at this too. I don't give a toss about Wests or Balmain. I am, and have always been, a Wests Tigers fan, therefore there is nothing to "differentiate". I don't like HBG because they have demonstrated over and over and over again that they couldn't run an egg and spoon race let alone a successful professional sport franchise. If they were all from the "Balmain side", whatever the hell that means nowadays, I'd still think they are incompetent halfwits.

Your question is meaningless to most fans and its relevance is shrinking with every day that passes. It's been 26 years for goodness' sake - let it go.

 

[hank37w]

This is what I do not, cannot, understand. If they are still suffering such pain and anguish from the merger even with everyone saying the Wests part of Wests Magpies for the last 26 years (which is ok, but not the tigers part of Balmain Tigers 🤔), why are they are happy to put another generation of supporters through the same? I don't get it. As a kid, I had a pretty rough/violent upbringing. I did not subject my kids to the same. I did not want them to feel that pain and trauma, so I just can't understand why there is a group of supporters who would want that.

Could not agree more Suzie, I just don't get it, it's not just the majority on here that bend over backwards to show respect towards the joint venture by constantly referring to us as Wests Tigers but it is generally the majority of the NRL Community, fans, media etc. that do the same.

I cite the Official NRL Ladder as an example where teams are listed by the following names:
Broncos, Bulldogs, Cowboys, Dolphins, Dragons, Eels, Knights, Panthers, Rabbitohs, Raiders, Roosters, Sea Eagles, Sharks, Storm, Titans and Warriors.

Every team named after the mascot that represents them, note that there is no location or district allocated to the naming of their team and in the case of another joint venture ie, Dragons, no historical link or tribute to their joint venture partner.

Guess who is the odd one out.

That's right, Wests Tigers.

Wests is always included and that is on the official NRL site and appears to be their general stance on this matter, what more could a partner want.

Of course there are the odd ones around like good old Blocker who usually lets slip with the odd "Balmain" here and there, but generally on an official level, it seems that there is a leaning towards ensuring there is a nod to the partners of this joint venture and we are the only team that is not listed like all the others by mascot alone.

I find it ironic that on a supporter forum, especially one that is dedicated to Wests Tigers that there would be people that are not happy with that and even goes to the extent that some have trouble uttering "Tiger or Tigers," the very name of our mascot, one of the most highly prized and regarded mascot names in the world of team sports.

 

[cochise]

If things were as bad as most of you on here think they are, why would BOF and the other board members agree to return?

I've noticed you're a strong critic of HBG which includes Wests Ashfield and Wests Magpies whether you like it or not, so I've got a question for you that I have asked of two others and not received a reply.

How do 'you' differentiate between following Balmain TIGERS and Wests TIGERS.

To me it seems a big majority of anti-HBG followers would feel they are still following the same team, Balmain.
It seems to me there wouldn't be any psychological difficulty in going from one Tigers team to another Tigers Team either, as compared to changing from Magpies to Tigers.
Also 99% of people on here that refer to our JV team refer to us as TIGERS, not Wests, so the Wests part of our JV name apparently means nothing.
Please explain.

Mate, you say some dumb things. It was the Magpies people that gave up the Magpies branding at NRL level.

We are the Wests Tigers, and the majority support that team and don't want to return to either parent club.

 

[jirskyr]

That's not how it works when you are the one making the claims.

Burden of proof fallacy

 

[hammertime]

You are the liar, there is no push for Magpies at NRL level, yet you continue to push your agenda and make it up to cause division.
Just another false accusation.
An absolute disgrace, have a good look at yourself.

Lee H is many things, but i don't think hes a liar - hes stated directly as such. The other piece of evidence is a lot of the directors who seem to refuse wearing Wests Tigers kit.

Then you have the whole recent powerplay which seems to be for no reason. So in that vaccum of information, people will come to their conclusions. Especially when HBG have acted with dishonesty and backstabbing quite a few times. Even if they said something, I doubt you could trust it.

There in lies the problem. I think if HBG started doing the right thing with the independant board and re-implementing the report, the fans will start to regain some trust that they have the members and club as the priority, not an agenda.

 

[Vicious]

Lee H is many things, but i don't think hes a liar - hes stated directly as such. The other piece of evidence is a lot of the directors who seem to refuse wearing Wests Tigers kit.

Then you have the whole recent powerplay which seems to be for no reason. So in that vaccum of information, people will come to their conclusions. Especially when HBG have acted with dishonesty and backstabbing quite a few times. Even if they said something, I doubt you could trust it.

There in lies the problem. I think if HBG started doing the right thing with the independant board, the fans will start to regain some trust.

That is based on comments from a couple of years ago, are we going to continue living in the past or move forward with the current way of thinking which is nothing other than Wests Tigers.

 

[hank37w]

You are the liar, there is no push for Magpies at NRL level, yet you continue to push your agenda and make it up to cause division.
Just another false accusation.
An absolute disgrace, have a good look at yourself.
I would say by 2028/2029 it will be all Wests Tigers except for the junior rep teamscand maybe a Wests Magpies Ron Massey Cup team.
Everyone knows and is aware of this except those who want to cause division.

Apart from the push by the dinosaurs that are muscling their way onto boards to gain control of the Wests Tigers with a demented idea that they can bring the Magpie back to the NRL.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with your general opinion that there is no chance of the Magpies ever being back in the NRL but what concerns me is the damage these dinosaurs are doing to the West Tigers in the mean time.

 

[hammertime]

That is based on comments from a couple of years ago, are we going to continue living in the past or move forward with the current way of thinking which is nothing other than Wests Tigers.

Thats not long ago and after 25 years of the merged club, so what would make you think that they've changed that in the last 18 months?

They haven't exactly won trust with the fans or anyone in the rugby league community

 

[The Chad]

Given,
- the performance of the NRL club over the past decade,
- the composition of the board during this time,
- the upheaval on the HBG board leading to the banning of directors who were all supportive of the initiation or implementation of the external review of the NRL club,
- Liubinskas replacing Gilbert on HBG board as a debenture holder director,
- Burgess putting himself back onto the NRL club board,
- the recent appointments of staunch Magpie new HBG debenture holders,
- and the subsequent sacking of the independent directors of the NRL club board,

and all of this is FACT! It's a timeline of events. We know it has happened.

You and some of your ilk are questioning the narrative, with little to no counter evidence apart from what other old uninformed Magpie mates have posted on Facebook. We are supposed to think that this latest episode is 'likely' an aberration from their MO.

Then this group of flogs will point to a statement or two from the GM of Wests Magpies, himself claiming false narratives such as 'Wests Magpies are providing a pathway for juniors to Wests Tigers NRL,' to falsely perpetuate that Wests Magpies football club are providing anything to the rugby league world other than managing Lidcombe Oval, running a BBQ and canteen on game day, and contributing to the shitshow HBG bring to Wests Tigers. They are no different to Balmain Tigers, sucking off the teet of HBG, and this is represented by 4 of the 7 directors of Wests Magpies football club being appointed by HBG.

FACTS:
- Wests Magpies NSW Cup, SG Ball, and Harold Matts teams are administrated, operated, and funded by Wests Tigers Football Club.

- Wests Magpies and Balmain Tigers are merely brands for teams in these grades, a legacy of the JV partners.

- Wests Tigers Macarthur District Junior Rugby League is funded by Wests Campbelltown.
- Balmain District Junior Rugby League is funded by HBG.

- Wests Magpies Football Club is funded by HBG (basically to pay Epifania's salary, and the lease on Lidcombe Oval).

- Wests Tigers Football Club is funded by the NRL ($20m), football revenure ($10m), HBG ($1.7m).

I won't hold my breath for anything credible coming from you or anyone else holding a flame for the little bird becoming the logo in the NRL again.

I don't think I've questioned any of that.

 

[Vicious]

Apart from the push by the dinosaurs that are muscling their way onto boards to gain control of the Wests Tigers with a demented idea that they can bring the Magpie back to the NRL.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with your general opinion that there is no chance of the Magpies ever being back in the NRL but what concerns me is the damage these dinosaurs are doing to the West Tigers in the mean time.

No reasonable person wants the Magpies back at NRL level agenda being a part of our Wests Tigers board or decision making.

 

[Vicious]

Thats not long ago and after 25 years of the merged club, so what would make you think that they've changed that in the last 18 months?

They haven't exactly won trust with the fans or anyone in the rugby league community

It only really come up a couple of years back with the Magpies chants made at a Campbelltown game and the recent comments made by Lee Hagi.
All involved are now well aware any agenda to have the Magpies appear at NRL level is dead and buried.
This has been acknowledged in recent comments from people involved.

 

[hammertime]

It only really come up a couple of years back with the Magpies chants made at a Campbelltown game and the recent comments made by Lee Hagi.
All involved are now well aware any agenda to have the Magpies appear at NRL level is dead and buried.
This has been acknowledged in recent comments from people involved.

They only know that after the board was dissolved and PVL stepped in. Given the lack of rationale to do what they did, I'd question still if those actions were based on that.

Let's hope they start to show some leadership and earn some trust back by reimplementing the report. If Richo was the problem and he's gone now, surely they'd be OK with that.