A crucial period for Madge...

[avocadoontoast]

People do realize it is going to take 3 years after we lose Mbye ,Packer ,Reynolds ,McQueen etc leave

I'm just not sure Madge is the answer ......Ok you'd go to Souths and take a chance with Madge's work ethic because you could see they were close to a premiership

But come to the WT's ...we are a hemisphere away from where Souths were when Madge took over and its probably 3 seasons until we even make the 8

That is what you have to get past in most players minds

I expect finals next year, anything less is a joke.

That’s pretty unrealistic IMO. Would have to be some amazing recruitment drive to make us into a top 8 team next year.

2022 is the year there’s no excuses for Madge, full salary cap control, squad he wants absolutely no excuses. Next year he’ll still be building us unfortunately but hopefully our squad looks a bit better

we were 1 game from top 8 last year.

A lot has changed since last year. For me it’ll depend on how much the team changes for next season. If we can make 3-4 good quality signings then I’ll be expecting finals. If we only make 1 or 2 signings and have to keep on with our current halves then no way we make finals

At the start of the year I was reasonably hopeful.

I think the only way Madge can succeed is to get rid of anyone who isn't bought in completely. I don't think he's a coach that can adapt like a Wayne Bennett, I think he needs a certain type of player to succeed. I'm quite happy to do a complete roster overhaul, for the first time in a long time there are very few players I even like lol

 

[avocadoontoast]

So now there seems to be a growing consensus that it is okay to miss the finals for a decade and three years under coaching of the chosen one. What the hell. No way!

Three years as a coach is not that long especially when it takes you 2-3 years to clean up the mess of the previous coach.

Sheen won a premiership in his 3rd year. Did some very astute purchases and got the rest of the players playing much better. Granted it's not exactly the same situation and very different coaches but it can be done.

 

[hobbo1]

People do realize it is going to take 3 years after we lose Mbye ,Packer ,Reynolds ,McQueen etc leave

I'm just not sure Madge is the answer ......Ok you'd go to Souths and take a chance with Madge's work ethic because you could see they were close to a premiership

But come to the WT's ...we are a hemisphere away from where Souths were when Madge took over and its probably 3 seasons until we even make the 8

That is what you have to get past in most players minds

I expect finals next year, anything less is a joke.

That’s pretty unrealistic IMO. Would have to be some amazing recruitment drive to make us into a top 8 team next year.

2022 is the year there’s no excuses for Madge, full salary cap control, squad he wants absolutely no excuses. Next year he’ll still be building us unfortunately but hopefully our squad looks a bit better

2022 is when they gel
2023 we make 8th by 1 point F/A

 

[Tim Sheens]

So now there seems to be a growing consensus that it is okay to miss the finals for a decade and three years under coaching of the chosen one. What the hell. No way!

Three years as a coach is not that long especially when it takes you 2-3 years to clean up the mess of the previous coach.

Coming from the bottom maybe, but again, WT were 80 minutes from finals last year and the same under the previous coach, with three major changes this season.

 

[CarltonDry]

The facts are under Voldemort the team improved to win 5 of the 1st 6 games and then secret meetings and revenge on Gould derailed a promising season.
Under Maguire the team has gone backwards and don't believe what the players say to the media you just have to put yourself in their shoes every Tuesday when the coach announces the team list and you don't know why you been dropped and others continually get picked who've been ordinary at best ?‍♂️.
Maguire needs to prove something before extending

Every single player that’s been dropped has said they’ve been told exactly what they need to fix and that Madge is a very honest coach. I don’t know why you assume players don’t know why they’re being dropped, Benji knew why, brooks knew why, I think they all know why.

Not every single player has been told only the higher profile players have. A coach doesn't lose the dressing room if he's honest with his players.
Just remember a player generally finds out the coach is trying to offload them via the media. Remember last year's June 30 cut off fiasco and look what's now being printed. It's all smoke and mirrors in this business ?‍♂️

 

[Needaname]

Madge is the Only one who has the resolve and vision to get the tigers out of the crap that this club has been for almost the entirety of our existence.

Apart from 2005, We have been largely the unstable, unpredictable club that few aspire to join.

We need to change the expectations in terms of performance, and if that means occasionally we loose a talented player who isn't willing to work hard then that's OK in the long run.

Unfortunately there is no line ti pick up any of our highest paid players. We have to ride the poor recruitment decisions of previous coaches for another year yet.

Madge is the only One.

You change coach again - we are back to square one.

You cannot win any race, if you keep going back to the start.

Madge is it - stick with him or perish.

The question was for how long..

Looks like an extension until 2023 is on the cards..next year the same roster issue will continue..you have stated that no one wants our duds..we are stuck with them..

So..If it's another 3 years without finals is that acceptable

Yeah ...what the hell ...
What’s another 3 years ..
#stressfreefinals

Well the fans might as well get on board with the players and book their overseas holidays in September.

 

[hobbo1]

Madge is the Only one who has the resolve and vision to get the tigers out of the crap that this club has been for almost the entirety of our existence.

Apart from 2005, We have been largely the unstable, unpredictable club that few aspire to join.

We need to change the expectations in terms of performance, and if that means occasionally we loose a talented player who isn't willing to work hard then that's OK in the long run.

Unfortunately there is no line ti pick up any of our highest paid players. We have to ride the poor recruitment decisions of previous coaches for another year yet.

Madge is the only One.

You change coach again - we are back to square one.

You cannot win any race, if you keep going back to the start.

Madge is it - stick with him or perish.

The question was for how long..

Looks like an extension until 2023 is on the cards..next year the same roster issue will continue..you have stated that no one wants our duds..we are stuck with them..

So..If it's another 3 years without finals is that acceptable

Yeah ...what the hell ...
What’s another 3 years ..
#stressfreefinals

Well the fans might as well get on board with the players and book their overseas holidays in September.

As long as they pay I’m in ?

 

[Viking Warrior]

Cleary left us with the players we have now but before Madge took over he told the club he could get this roster to perform.

I hate Cleary but we don't know how this roster would of gone had he have stayed.

He had Brooks and Mbye playing playing out of there skin.
Madge should have turned us down instead of deciding now we need another rebuild.

 

[balmain boy]

The most crucial thing Madge needs to do in the coming weeks is make sure Benji knows he's not wanted as a player next season, but is wanted to ease into an off-field role to help develop our juniors.

 

[JC99]

So now there seems to be a growing consensus that it is okay to miss the finals for a decade and three years under coaching of the chosen one. What the hell. No way!

Three years as a coach is not that long especially when it takes you 2-3 years to clean up the mess of the previous coach.

Coming from the bottom maybe, but again, WT were 80 minutes from finals last year and the same under the previous coach, with three major changes this season.

We’re currently in the longest finals drought in the NRL don’t forget. That’s pretty rock bottom

 

[JC99]

People do realize it is going to take 3 years after we lose Mbye ,Packer ,Reynolds ,McQueen etc leave

I'm just not sure Madge is the answer ......Ok you'd go to Souths and take a chance with Madge's work ethic because you could see they were close to a premiership

But come to the WT's ...we are a hemisphere away from where Souths were when Madge took over and its probably 3 seasons until we even make the 8

That is what you have to get past in most players minds

I expect finals next year, anything less is a joke.

That’s pretty unrealistic IMO. Would have to be some amazing recruitment drive to make us into a top 8 team next year.

2022 is the year there’s no excuses for Madge, full salary cap control, squad he wants absolutely no excuses. Next year he’ll still be building us unfortunately but hopefully our squad looks a bit better

we were 1 game from top 8 last year.

A lot has changed since last year. For me it’ll depend on how much the team changes for next season. If we can make 3-4 good quality signings then I’ll be expecting finals. If we only make 1 or 2 signings and have to keep on with our current halves then no way we make finals

At the start of the year I was reasonably hopeful.

I think the only way Madge can succeed is to get rid of anyone who isn't bought in completely. I don't think he's a coach that can adapt like a Wayne Bennett, I think he needs a certain type of player to succeed. I'm quite happy to do a complete roster overhaul, for the first time in a long time there are very few players I even like lol

I completely agree. He needs his players and his team to succeed. It seems like he’s doing his best to keep cleaning out anyone who he doesn’t want and all we can do is wait for it to happen completely. Even then we might not make finals and he’ll get the boot

 

[Tigerbuck63]

Madge is the Only one who has the resolve and vision to get the tigers out of the crap that this club has been for almost the entirety of our existence.

Apart from 2005, We have been largely the unstable, unpredictable club that few aspire to join.

We need to change the expectations in terms of performance, and if that means occasionally we loose a talented player who isn't willing to work hard then that's OK in the long run.

Unfortunately there is no line ti pick up any of our highest paid players. We have to ride the poor recruitment decisions of previous coaches for another year yet.

Madge is the only One.

You change coach again - we are back to square one.

You cannot win any race, if you keep going back to the start.

Madge is it - stick with him or perish.

The question was for how long..

Looks like an extension until 2023 is on the cards..next year the same roster issue will continue..you have stated that no one wants our duds..we are stuck with them..

So..If it's another 3 years without finals is that acceptable


So Madge is already contracted till 2021.
My suggestion is that we do what the Titans did extend the coaches contract now but only for another 2 years.
I think if he can't get ride of some of the deadwood this next season he should be able to by 2022 and should make finals at least in 2022 & 2023.
In reality i don't mind Todd Payten being an ex Tigers player as the next coach its always a matter of timing.

Personally if Todd Payton was the coach, I would be out until he was terminated or I was IN the ground, whichever came first.


Well suggestion only, hate to see you 6 feet under, seems like he has been in a few systems now and doing well as care taker coach at the Warriors. Ex player and won a premiership but he will most likely get the cowboys gig anyway, see how he goes there, always about timing.

Personally don't think Madge is going anywhere.

If Tigers got rid of him for "The Whiteanter" or anyone else, it would see us regress for at least another five years.

Russell if you took notice of my prior post i stated we should give Madge an additional 2 years now with the full intention of playing finals in 2022 & 2023 as i think next year the roster will still be developing.

Todd Payten is my suggestion long term if Madge does not work out after this time.

 

[cochise]

People do realize it is going to take 3 years after we lose Mbye ,Packer ,Reynolds ,McQueen etc leave

I'm just not sure Madge is the answer ......Ok you'd go to Souths and take a chance with Madge's work ethic because you could see they were close to a premiership

But come to the WT's ...we are a hemisphere away from where Souths were when Madge took over and its probably 3 seasons until we even make the 8

That is what you have to get past in most players minds

I expect finals next year, anything less is a joke.

That’s pretty unrealistic IMO. Would have to be some amazing recruitment drive to make us into a top 8 team next year.

2022 is the year there’s no excuses for Madge, full salary cap control, squad he wants absolutely no excuses. Next year he’ll still be building us unfortunately but hopefully our squad looks a bit better

Seriously? Any team that can't make the finals for a decade in a competition where 50% of teams make the finals needs to have serious questions ask of it.

 

[Needaname]

So now there seems to be a growing consensus that it is okay to miss the finals for a decade and three years under coaching of the chosen one. What the hell. No way!

Three years as a coach is not that long especially when it takes you 2-3 years to clean up the mess of the previous coach.

@happy_tiger @avocadoontoast

An interesting interview with Dean Young the other day on 360.
Talked about making the Dragons a top 4 club.
Obviously that’s a stretch to achieve but how it was addressed I found was really important for a club to know what it needs to achieve that.

Dean did not mention a desire to make the finals. He mentioned only a desire and the team/player attributes required to be a top 4 side.

Talked about knowing what it takes to win. What it feels like to be a winner. The type of player he wants to recruit to fulfil this vision.

I think it’s interesting that after years of near misses our goal is to play finals.

This is where we come unstuck. The players are obviously trying but by being 9th on majority we are caught in this daze of if only.

We unfortunately don’t have the forsight as a club to look at it with a clearer lens and pick a part the side further. Push the player for greater performances.

I’m not sure at this rate we can go from 9th to a top 4 side. We need quite a few shifts of both philosophy and performance in the staff and roster to achieve this and this is what all the clubs should be striving for.

Scraping in is not an achievement only to bow out the next week.
It’s not finals or bust.

It’s having a side that for a decade the punters expect to make the top 4 and having a side that exudes that position.

 

[JC99]

People do realize it is going to take 3 years after we lose Mbye ,Packer ,Reynolds ,McQueen etc leave

I'm just not sure Madge is the answer ......Ok you'd go to Souths and take a chance with Madge's work ethic because you could see they were close to a premiership

But come to the WT's ...we are a hemisphere away from where Souths were when Madge took over and its probably 3 seasons until we even make the 8

That is what you have to get past in most players minds

I expect finals next year, anything less is a joke.

That’s pretty unrealistic IMO. Would have to be some amazing recruitment drive to make us into a top 8 team next year.

2022 is the year there’s no excuses for Madge, full salary cap control, squad he wants absolutely no excuses. Next year he’ll still be building us unfortunately but hopefully our squad looks a bit better

Seriously? Any team that can't make the finals for a decade in a competition where 50% of teams make the finals needs to have serious questions ask of it.

I agree, but looking at the big picture it would be pretty hard to take our team into the top 8 next season unless we sign some real quality. Unfortunately we only really started over last year when the new coach came in.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

People do realize it is going to take 3 years after we lose Mbye ,Packer ,Reynolds ,McQueen etc leave

I'm just not sure Madge is the answer ......Ok you'd go to Souths and take a chance with Madge's work ethic because you could see they were close to a premiership

But come to the WT's ...we are a hemisphere away from where Souths were when Madge took over and its probably 3 seasons until we even make the 8

That is what you have to get past in most players minds

I expect finals next year, anything less is a joke.

That’s pretty unrealistic IMO. Would have to be some amazing recruitment drive to make us into a top 8 team next year.

2022 is the year there’s no excuses for Madge, full salary cap control, squad he wants absolutely no excuses. Next year he’ll still be building us unfortunately but hopefully our squad looks a bit better

we were 1 game from top 8 last year.

A lot has changed since last year. For me it’ll depend on how much the team changes for next season. If we can make 3-4 good quality signings then I’ll be expecting finals. If we only make 1 or 2 signings and have to keep on with our current halves then no way we make finals

At the start of the year I was reasonably hopeful.

I think the only way Madge can succeed is to get rid of anyone who isn't bought in completely. I don't think he's a coach that can adapt like a Wayne Bennett, I think he needs a certain type of player to succeed. I'm quite happy to do a complete roster overhaul, for the first time in a long time there are very few players I even like lol

I completely agree. He needs his players and his team to succeed. It seems like he’s doing his best to keep cleaning out anyone who he doesn’t want and all we can do is wait for it to happen completely. Even then we might not make finals and he’ll get the boot

Well i do have to question why Benji was dropped, Brooks benched but our highest paid player Mybe still always seems to find a position and is Captain.
We heard the chatter a few weeks ago he was told he could look elsewhere then nothing, so have to question the logic with Madge in relation to Mybe????

 

[Lauren]

The ugly truth about the club is that when coaches and administrators are appointed, their role usually includes the additional task/duty of stabilising any incompetency or lack of execution from their predecessor.
I say give Madge the sufficient time to build his vision for the team.

 

[JC99]

People do realize it is going to take 3 years after we lose Mbye ,Packer ,Reynolds ,McQueen etc leave

I'm just not sure Madge is the answer ......Ok you'd go to Souths and take a chance with Madge's work ethic because you could see they were close to a premiership

But come to the WT's ...we are a hemisphere away from where Souths were when Madge took over and its probably 3 seasons until we even make the 8

That is what you have to get past in most players minds

I expect finals next year, anything less is a joke.

That’s pretty unrealistic IMO. Would have to be some amazing recruitment drive to make us into a top 8 team next year.

2022 is the year there’s no excuses for Madge, full salary cap control, squad he wants absolutely no excuses. Next year he’ll still be building us unfortunately but hopefully our squad looks a bit better

we were 1 game from top 8 last year.

A lot has changed since last year. For me it’ll depend on how much the team changes for next season. If we can make 3-4 good quality signings then I’ll be expecting finals. If we only make 1 or 2 signings and have to keep on with our current halves then no way we make finals

At the start of the year I was reasonably hopeful.

I think the only way Madge can succeed is to get rid of anyone who isn't bought in completely. I don't think he's a coach that can adapt like a Wayne Bennett, I think he needs a certain type of player to succeed. I'm quite happy to do a complete roster overhaul, for the first time in a long time there are very few players I even like lol

I completely agree. He needs his players and his team to succeed. It seems like he’s doing his best to keep cleaning out anyone who he doesn’t want and all we can do is wait for it to happen completely. Even then we might not make finals and he’ll get the boot


Well i do have to question why Benji was dropped, Brooks benched but our highest paid player Mybe still always seems to find a position and is Captain.
We heard the chatter a few weeks ago he was told he could look elsewhere then nothing, so have to question the logic with Madge in relation to Mybe????

We’ve not had better than Mbye really. As much as he’s overpaid he’s been okay at centre. We’ve really got no one there pushing to take his spot And that shows how weak our roster is, if we sign right for next season he should be on the bench at the most

 

[Tigerbuck63]

People do realize it is going to take 3 years after we lose Mbye ,Packer ,Reynolds ,McQueen etc leave

I'm just not sure Madge is the answer ......Ok you'd go to Souths and take a chance with Madge's work ethic because you could see they were close to a premiership

But come to the WT's ...we are a hemisphere away from where Souths were when Madge took over and its probably 3 seasons until we even make the 8

That is what you have to get past in most players minds

I expect finals next year, anything less is a joke.

That’s pretty unrealistic IMO. Would have to be some amazing recruitment drive to make us into a top 8 team next year.

2022 is the year there’s no excuses for Madge, full salary cap control, squad he wants absolutely no excuses. Next year he’ll still be building us unfortunately but hopefully our squad looks a bit better

we were 1 game from top 8 last year.

A lot has changed since last year. For me it’ll depend on how much the team changes for next season. If we can make 3-4 good quality signings then I’ll be expecting finals. If we only make 1 or 2 signings and have to keep on with our current halves then no way we make finals

At the start of the year I was reasonably hopeful.

I think the only way Madge can succeed is to get rid of anyone who isn't bought in completely. I don't think he's a coach that can adapt like a Wayne Bennett, I think he needs a certain type of player to succeed. I'm quite happy to do a complete roster overhaul, for the first time in a long time there are very few players I even like lol

I completely agree. He needs his players and his team to succeed. It seems like he’s doing his best to keep cleaning out anyone who he doesn’t want and all we can do is wait for it to happen completely. Even then we might not make finals and he’ll get the boot


Well i do have to question why Benji was dropped, Brooks benched but our highest paid player Mybe still always seems to find a position and is Captain.
We heard the chatter a few weeks ago he was told he could look elsewhere then nothing, so have to question the logic with Madge in relation to Mybe????

We’ve not had better than Mbye really. As much as he’s overpaid he’s been okay at centre. We’ve really got no one there pushing to take his spot And that shows how weak our roster is, if we sign right for next season he should be on the bench at the most

He has played 3 worthy games all season that i can say as a pass mark, as Captain he says nothing on the field to inspire and does hardly ever put his body on the line.
Other options we moved him to hooker the other week when we had options, he is a bench player at best.
I do take your point with BJ suspended for 4 weeks there were not many options.
Anyway i want to see what Madge does with him in the off season certainly i would be off loading him, tad delusional from being quoted this week wanting to play origin again, not on his form is woeful.


Replay the 1st 27 minutes of the Game against the roosters

 

[cochise]

People do realize it is going to take 3 years after we lose Mbye ,Packer ,Reynolds ,McQueen etc leave

I'm just not sure Madge is the answer ......Ok you'd go to Souths and take a chance with Madge's work ethic because you could see they were close to a premiership

But come to the WT's ...we are a hemisphere away from where Souths were when Madge took over and its probably 3 seasons until we even make the 8

That is what you have to get past in most players minds

I expect finals next year, anything less is a joke.

That’s pretty unrealistic IMO. Would have to be some amazing recruitment drive to make us into a top 8 team next year.

2022 is the year there’s no excuses for Madge, full salary cap control, squad he wants absolutely no excuses. Next year he’ll still be building us unfortunately but hopefully our squad looks a bit better

Seriously? Any team that can't make the finals for a decade in a competition where 50% of teams make the finals needs to have serious questions ask of it.

I agree, but looking at the big picture it would be pretty hard to take our team into the top 8 next season unless we sign some real quality. Unfortunately we only really started over last year when the new coach came in.

When we lost the players in 2017 that we had been paying on potential this forum was full of comments about us buying established players as the paying for potential failed, 3 years don't the track everyone wants us overpaying for potential because the buying established players has failed.

We also had people about 5 weeks ago sprouting how we had turned the corner, you being one of the main posters and now you are convinced we are 2 years from finals football. I was told I was wrong at the time for stating I will believe we have turned the corner when we make the finals. My expectations have not changed on that, the only indicator I'll accept is finals football, anything less is a failure.