A crucial period for Madge...

[Goanna57]

Maybe there underperforming because of the coach,we added 4 first graders to the side this season and yet we are going worst than the last few years.why is that

I can't answer your question. I do believe, however, that we are not a top 8 squad. The fact that we will miss the semis does not surprise me - I expected us to miss out at the start of the year.

What's more, I will make the bold prediction now that we won't make the 8 next year either - there is simply not enough scope to upgrade the squad.

One area where we have regressed compared to the last couple of years is in the halves. Brooks was Dally M halfback of the year in 2018, and last year (I can't remember the exact stats) Benji and Brooks were both up toward the top of the table for try assists and forced drop outs.

The drop in form of the halves could be a coaching issue. I believe our fundamental problem is that we don't have the forwards or the depth (ie bench strength) to match it with the good teams.

Fibro you make many good points and a lot of sense no argument from me cheers

 

[Goanna57]

Maybe the fans are backing the coach but not the players according to an article in today’s Tele.Saying there’s a lot of player unrest and a lot of disharmony behind the scenes and it’s showing in the side’s effort

According to the WT site we have 10 players off contract next year. It is possible that none of them will be re-signed. So, potentially we have at least 10 players who are not happy with Madge.

When you consider that we have only 11 players signed for 2021 and that Madge is engaged in a clean out, we could have many more than the 10 players disgruntled at the moment.

That is probably what happens when you have a poor, underperforming squad, and a coach that demands consistency and success. The players see the writing on the wall and are not happy.

It would be bizarre if, under these circumstances, the club took the side of the underperforming players and sacked the coach.

Maybe there underperforming because of the coach,we added 4 first graders to the side this season and yet we are going worst than the last few years.why is that

If you are right that is even more reason why the coach needs our support and the players need to be removed from the club

I believe that you and @Tcat are misunderstanding his point, in that the players are not underperforming willingly, rather thinks that the coach isn't bringing out or utilising their abilities. I have similar concerns, especially so when I watched the different approach put forward against Parramatta the other night.

Finally someone gets my meaning and I agree with you

Or their abilities just aren’t enough and will never get us to the finals. Only new blood will, that have the abilities a premiership winning coach knows is required to achieve results.

Don’t disagree with you I’m just concerned about the clubs ability to attract the right players

The next step is to get rid of those that aren’t. Then you have more chance of attracting quality players.

Hopefully this is what happens but as I said missing finals 9 years in a row worries me about our ability to attract said players

 

[ElleryHanley]

I don't really get Madge at this point. Packer was good and vocal for 3 weeks and we needed his size tonight...weak for 30 mins last week but so were most of them. Fire him up and challenge him..

He was great v Parra.

Josh's energy was needed in the halves last two weeks. Brooks and Benji were broken up two months ago for being terrible on the 5th yet here we are and they both get picked loss after loss again.

It just seems inconsistent and no real plan at this point other than rotating bad for worse.

We are worse right now than we were under Potter Taylor and Cleary...

This is a really weak comp this year also. Sharks have half the 2019 Newtown team in and are 6th.

We have been terrible the past month and are going backwards.

Been a Madge supporter...no longer sure.

 

[avocadoontoast]

I don't really get Madge at this point. Packer was good and vocal for 3 weeks and we needed his size tonight...shit for 30 mins last week but so were most of them. Fire him up and challenge him..

He was great v Parra.

Josh's energy was needed in the halves last two weeks. Brooks and Benji were broken up two months ago for being terrible on the 5th yet here we are and they both get picked loss after loss again.

It just seems inconsistent and no real plan at this point other than rotating bad for worse.

We are worse right now than we were under Potter Taylor and Cleary...

This is a really weak comp this year also. Sharks have half the 2019 Newtown team in and are 6th.

We have been terrible the past month and are going backwards.

Been a Madge supporter...no longer sure.

We’ve definitely regressed since he joined.

 

[old_man_tiger]

Will give him more time because there longer we make the coach a scapegoat the longer we will suck.

If the players suck that much then how do they smash other teams so easily? At the end of the day the players' mentality sucks. We have less that 10 players worth their salary the rest need to go.

 

[Harvey]

I don't really get Madge at this point. Packer was good and vocal for 3 weeks and we needed his size tonight...weak for 30 mins last week but so were most of them. Fire him up and challenge him..

He was great v Parra.

Josh's energy was needed in the halves last two weeks. Brooks and Benji were broken up two months ago for being terrible on the 5th yet here we are and they both get picked loss after loss again.

It just seems inconsistent and no real plan at this point other than rotating bad for worse.

We are worse right now than we were under Potter Taylor and Cleary...

This is a really weak comp this year also. Sharks have half the 2019 Newtown team in and are 6th.

We have been terrible the past month and are going backwards.

Been a Madge supporter...no longer sure.

What does swapping Doueihi and Mbye add other than creating more uncertainty. Getting pumped and Blore plays 11 minutes & Liddle 25. Terrible forward rotation, one of the front rowers (Twal, Mikaele, Huth) should have started on the bench with ET, McIntyre or Blore starting at lock.

Our attack is terrible, appears to have no plan or structure. He is surviving on how poor our roster is. If we can recruit and not improve he will not last long.

 

[Goanna57]

I don't really get Madge at this point. Packer was good and vocal for 3 weeks and we needed his size tonight...weak for 30 mins last week but so were most of them. Fire him up and challenge him..

He was great v Parra.

Josh's energy was needed in the halves last two weeks. Brooks and Benji were broken up two months ago for being terrible on the 5th yet here we are and they both get picked loss after loss again.

It just seems inconsistent and no real plan at this point other than rotating bad for worse.

We are worse right now than we were under Potter Taylor and Cleary...

This is a really weak comp this year also. Sharks have half the 2019 Newtown team in and are 6th.

We have been terrible the past month and are going backwards.

Been a Madge supporter...no longer sure.

Ellery you can’t say that even if you are spot on , you will be shot down by all the wise ones like I have been for saying something similar but you are correct

 

[bigsiro]

How was Souths defense when Madge was there?
I don’t remember.

 

[ElleryHanley]

I don't really get Madge at this point. Packer was good and vocal for 3 weeks and we needed his size tonight...weak for 30 mins last week but so were most of them. Fire him up and challenge him..

He was great v Parra.

Josh's energy was needed in the halves last two weeks. Brooks and Benji were broken up two months ago for being terrible on the 5th yet here we are and they both get picked loss after loss again.

It just seems inconsistent and no real plan at this point other than rotating bad for worse.

We are worse right now than we were under Potter Taylor and Cleary...

This is a really weak comp this year also. Sharks have half the 2019 Newtown team in and are 6th.

We have been terrible the past month and are going backwards.

Been a Madge supporter...no longer sure.

Ellery you can’t say that even if you are spot on , you will be shot down by all the wise ones like I have been for saying something similar but you are correct

I don't know at this point Goanna...it seems a complete mess. I hope to be proven wrong.

But the past month has had three huge defeats and barely beat dogs...even in Dogs game we had a period of being hammered by them, and they are poor.

We have been really, really poor for over a month now. Something is def not working.

 

[ElleryHanley]

How was Souths defense when Madge was there?
I don’t remember.

Very good.

But he had Burgess leading the D line and guys like Crocker.

Most coaches would get the pack's D right with those two.

 

[Goanna57]

I don't really get Madge at this point. Packer was good and vocal for 3 weeks and we needed his size tonight...weak for 30 mins last week but so were most of them. Fire him up and challenge him..

He was great v Parra.

Josh's energy was needed in the halves last two weeks. Brooks and Benji were broken up two months ago for being terrible on the 5th yet here we are and they both get picked loss after loss again.

It just seems inconsistent and no real plan at this point other than rotating bad for worse.

We are worse right now than we were under Potter Taylor and Cleary...

This is a really weak comp this year also. Sharks have half the 2019 Newtown team in and are 6th.

We have been terrible the past month and are going backwards.

Been a Madge supporter...no longer sure.

Ellery you can’t say that even if you are spot on , you will be shot down by all the wise ones like I have been for saying something similar but you are correct

I don't know at this point Goanna...it seems a complete mess. I hope to be proven wrong.

But the past month has had three huge defeats and barely beat dogs...even in Dogs game we had a period of being hammered by them, and they are poor.

We have been really, really poor for over a month now. Something is def not working.

Completely agree and what’s worrying is Maguire doesn’t seem to know

 

[ElleryHanley]

I don't really get Madge at this point. Packer was good and vocal for 3 weeks and we needed his size tonight...weak for 30 mins last week but so were most of them. Fire him up and challenge him..

He was great v Parra.

Josh's energy was needed in the halves last two weeks. Brooks and Benji were broken up two months ago for being terrible on the 5th yet here we are and they both get picked loss after loss again.

It just seems inconsistent and no real plan at this point other than rotating bad for worse.

We are worse right now than we were under Potter Taylor and Cleary...

This is a really weak comp this year also. Sharks have half the 2019 Newtown team in and are 6th.

We have been terrible the past month and are going backwards.

Been a Madge supporter...no longer sure.

What does swapping Doueihi and Mbye add other than creating more uncertainty. Getting pumped and Blore plays 11 minutes & Liddle 25. Terrible forward rotation, one of the front rowers (Twal, Mikaele, Huth) should have started on the bench with ET, McIntyre or Blore starting at lock.

Our attack is terrible, appears to have no plan or structure. He is surviving on how poor our roster is. If we can recruit and not improve he will not last long.

It was def puzzling tonight. First time I have thought maybe he is the wrong bloke for us.The rotations have been terrible for a long while and the Mbye / AD swap made no sense. The hard taskmaster stuff is fine, but I am yet to see much tactical nous if I am being honest.

 

[Blacknwhite]

Enough of the loonies running the asylum.... this bunch of muppets have been perennial losers for the best part of a decade, shanked 4 coaches, enough is enough.

I see talk of flexibility in approach by Macguire... how about they get the basics down, try making your tackles, try not dropping the pill a dozen times a game, have a crack at a decent kick on the ends of sets.

 

[Geo]

I don't really get Madge at this point. Packer was good and vocal for 3 weeks and we needed his size tonight...weak for 30 mins last week but so were most of them. Fire him up and challenge him..

He was great v Parra.

Josh's energy was needed in the halves last two weeks. Brooks and Benji were broken up two months ago for being terrible on the 5th yet here we are and they both get picked loss after loss again.

It just seems inconsistent and no real plan at this point other than rotating bad for worse.

We are worse right now than we were under Potter Taylor and Cleary...

This is a really weak comp this year also. Sharks have half the 2019 Newtown team in and are 6th.

We have been terrible the past month and are going backwards.

Been a Madge supporter...no longer sure.

What does swapping Doueihi and Mbye add other than creating more uncertainty. Getting pumped and Blore plays 11 minutes & Liddle 25. Terrible forward rotation, one of the front rowers (Twal, Mikaele, Huth) should have started on the bench with ET, McIntyre or Blore starting at lock.

Our attack is terrible, appears to have no plan or structure. He is surviving on how poor our roster is. If we can recruit and not improve he will not last long.

It was def puzzling tonight. First time I have thought maybe he is the wrong bloke for us.The rotations have been terrible for a long while and the Mbye / AD swap made no sense. The hard taskmaster stuff is fine, but I am yet to see much tactical nous if I am being honest.

We went with them fr the 1st 25min and were in front 6-0..Mikaele was replace by Taylor ..Twal by McIntyre who ended up in the centres and that was the end of that..

We then made errors and could not defend them..

 

[ElleryHanley]

I don't really get Madge at this point. Packer was good and vocal for 3 weeks and we needed his size tonight...weak for 30 mins last week but so were most of them. Fire him up and challenge him..

He was great v Parra.

Josh's energy was needed in the halves last two weeks. Brooks and Benji were broken up two months ago for being terrible on the 5th yet here we are and they both get picked loss after loss again.

It just seems inconsistent and no real plan at this point other than rotating bad for worse.

We are worse right now than we were under Potter Taylor and Cleary...

This is a really weak comp this year also. Sharks have half the 2019 Newtown team in and are 6th.

We have been terrible the past month and are going backwards.

Been a Madge supporter...no longer sure.

What does swapping Doueihi and Mbye add other than creating more uncertainty. Getting pumped and Blore plays 11 minutes & Liddle 25. Terrible forward rotation, one of the front rowers (Twal, Mikaele, Huth) should have started on the bench with ET, McIntyre or Blore starting at lock.

Our attack is terrible, appears to have no plan or structure. He is surviving on how poor our roster is. If we can recruit and not improve he will not last long.

It was def puzzling tonight. First time I have thought maybe he is the wrong bloke for us.The rotations have been terrible for a long while and the Mbye / AD swap made no sense. The hard taskmaster stuff is fine, but I am yet to see much tactical nous if I am being honest.

We went with them fr the 1st 25min and were in front 6-0..Mikaele was replace by Taylor ..Twal by McIntyre who ended up in the centres and that was the end of that..

We then made errors and could not defend them..

Same every week...first 25 go with teams.

The fall away 25-40 40-60 mins.

Yet Madge has never adjusted his bench rotations to react.

 

[JC99]

I don't really get Madge at this point. Packer was good and vocal for 3 weeks and we needed his size tonight...weak for 30 mins last week but so were most of them. Fire him up and challenge him..

He was great v Parra.

Josh's energy was needed in the halves last two weeks. Brooks and Benji were broken up two months ago for being terrible on the 5th yet here we are and they both get picked loss after loss again.

It just seems inconsistent and no real plan at this point other than rotating bad for worse.

We are worse right now than we were under Potter Taylor and Cleary...

This is a really weak comp this year also. Sharks have half the 2019 Newtown team in and are 6th.

We have been terrible the past month and are going backwards.

Been a Madge supporter...no longer sure.

What does swapping Doueihi and Mbye add other than creating more uncertainty. Getting pumped and Blore plays 11 minutes & Liddle 25. Terrible forward rotation, one of the front rowers (Twal, Mikaele, Huth) should have started on the bench with ET, McIntyre or Blore starting at lock.

Our attack is terrible, appears to have no plan or structure. He is surviving on how poor our roster is. If we can recruit and not improve he will not last long.

It was def puzzling tonight. First time I have thought maybe he is the wrong bloke for us.The rotations have been terrible for a long while and the Mbye / AD swap made no sense. The hard taskmaster stuff is fine, but I am yet to see much tactical nous if I am being honest.

We went with them fr the 1st 25min and were in front 6-0..Mikaele was replace by Taylor ..Twal by McIntyre who ended up in the centres and that was the end of that..

We then made errors and could not defend them..

Same every week...first 25 go with teams.

The fall away 25-40 40-60 mins.

Yet Madge has never adjusted his bench rotations to react.

What else can you do... you have to get your big fellas off. If anytbing it shows how bad our forward depth is, there’s not much else you can do with your forward rotation just about every team does it the exact same as that

 

[JC99]

Madge was almost admitting that he doesn’t think our roster is good enough in his press conference tonight. Hope he does what he said and gives some other guys a run in the coming weeks

No doubt he’ll get blasted for selecting a ‘weak team’ even though the season is done and he’s trying to see who to keep and who to move on for next season. I’m sure he has a good idea but may as well let them prove themselves

 

[Geo]

I don't really get Madge at this point. Packer was good and vocal for 3 weeks and we needed his size tonight...weak for 30 mins last week but so were most of them. Fire him up and challenge him..

He was great v Parra.

Josh's energy was needed in the halves last two weeks. Brooks and Benji were broken up two months ago for being terrible on the 5th yet here we are and they both get picked loss after loss again.

It just seems inconsistent and no real plan at this point other than rotating bad for worse.

We are worse right now than we were under Potter Taylor and Cleary...

This is a really weak comp this year also. Sharks have half the 2019 Newtown team in and are 6th.

We have been terrible the past month and are going backwards.

Been a Madge supporter...no longer sure.

What does swapping Doueihi and Mbye add other than creating more uncertainty. Getting pumped and Blore plays 11 minutes & Liddle 25. Terrible forward rotation, one of the front rowers (Twal, Mikaele, Huth) should have started on the bench with ET, McIntyre or Blore starting at lock.

Our attack is terrible, appears to have no plan or structure. He is surviving on how poor our roster is. If we can recruit and not improve he will not last long.

It was def puzzling tonight. First time I have thought maybe he is the wrong bloke for us.The rotations have been terrible for a long while and the Mbye / AD swap made no sense. The hard taskmaster stuff is fine, but I am yet to see much tactical nous if I am being honest.

We went with them fr the 1st 25min and were in front 6-0..Mikaele was replace by Taylor ..Twal by McIntyre who ended up in the centres and that was the end of that..

We then made errors and could not defend them..

Same every week...first 25 go with teams.

The fall away 25-40 40-60 mins.

Yet Madge has never adjusted his bench rotations to react.

What else can you do... you have to get your big fellas off. If anytbing it shows how bad our forward depth is, there’s not much else you can do with your forward rotation just about every team does it the exact same as that

Well he said he has a great group training under these guys...so pick them..

There was a thread here about how great our forward pack is building..well only so far Utoikamanu is coming..

So now our forward depth is so bad..can't be both

 

[JC99]

I don't really get Madge at this point. Packer was good and vocal for 3 weeks and we needed his size tonight...weak for 30 mins last week but so were most of them. Fire him up and challenge him..

He was great v Parra.

Josh's energy was needed in the halves last two weeks. Brooks and Benji were broken up two months ago for being terrible on the 5th yet here we are and they both get picked loss after loss again.

It just seems inconsistent and no real plan at this point other than rotating bad for worse.

We are worse right now than we were under Potter Taylor and Cleary...

This is a really weak comp this year also. Sharks have half the 2019 Newtown team in and are 6th.

We have been terrible the past month and are going backwards.

Been a Madge supporter...no longer sure.

What does swapping Doueihi and Mbye add other than creating more uncertainty. Getting pumped and Blore plays 11 minutes & Liddle 25. Terrible forward rotation, one of the front rowers (Twal, Mikaele, Huth) should have started on the bench with ET, McIntyre or Blore starting at lock.

Our attack is terrible, appears to have no plan or structure. He is surviving on how poor our roster is. If we can recruit and not improve he will not last long.

It was def puzzling tonight. First time I have thought maybe he is the wrong bloke for us.The rotations have been terrible for a long while and the Mbye / AD swap made no sense. The hard taskmaster stuff is fine, but I am yet to see much tactical nous if I am being honest.

We went with them fr the 1st 25min and were in front 6-0..Mikaele was replace by Taylor ..Twal by McIntyre who ended up in the centres and that was the end of that..

We then made errors and could not defend them..

Same every week...first 25 go with teams.

The fall away 25-40 40-60 mins.

Yet Madge has never adjusted his bench rotations to react.

What else can you do... you have to get your big fellas off. If anytbing it shows how bad our forward depth is, there’s not much else you can do with your forward rotation just about every team does it the exact same as that

Well he said he has a great group training under these guys...so pick them..

There was a thread here about how great our forward pack is building..well only so far Utoikamanu is coming..

So now our forward depth is so bad..can't be both

I hope he does pick them however when we are in contention for finals you aren’t gonna pick them. Now I doubt we make it so sounds like
He’ll give them a chance to price themselves.

Our pack is building for sure but that doesn’t mean it’s perfect.... our depth there isn’t that strong at all. If they’re all fit it’s looking decent for next season but still needs work.

 

[hsvjones]

Everyone is very harsh... Check these stats out.

Panthers ****51**** set to 34
Panthers **6** -3 penalty count
Panthers 6 again calls **8**-1
Panthers 387 tackles to us at ******468******
Panthers running metres 1902m to us at 1090m

Yes we made some errors and let ourselves down and need to work on discipline. However with this amount of possession the Panthers would of put 50pts past most teams tonight. Most guys tried there arses off so to keep it to 30 (try in the last min also) is not terrible.
I hate losing as much as anyone and have been calling for a team clean out but gee wiz if we got a fair share by the ref we might have pulled it off. Panthers all night were laying on us in the play the balls, kept pushing us back after the ref called held, offside all night yet we only got 1 x 6 again call all night. I'm sorry and i know we need to address our discipline but they were not perfect like the refs think. Yes and this amount of non calls for us does effect the game..

Don't blame Madge as this is the squad he was given ( bunch of lazy experienced players not performing) and he does extremely well holding his tongue in press conferences to stick up for the club and players when deep down he knows they have to go. He needs a medal