A crucial period for Madge...

[Tigerbuck63]

People do realize it is going to take 3 years after we lose Mbye ,Packer ,Reynolds ,McQueen etc leave

I'm just not sure Madge is the answer ......Ok you'd go to Souths and take a chance with Madge's work ethic because you could see they were close to a premiership

But come to the WT's ...we are a hemisphere away from where Souths were when Madge took over and its probably 3 seasons until we even make the 8

That is what you have to get past in most players minds

I expect finals next year, anything less is a joke.

That’s pretty unrealistic IMO. Would have to be some amazing recruitment drive to make us into a top 8 team next year.

2022 is the year there’s no excuses for Madge, full salary cap control, squad he wants absolutely no excuses. Next year he’ll still be building us unfortunately but hopefully our squad looks a bit better

Seriously? Any team that can't make the finals for a decade in a competition where 50% of teams make the finals needs to have serious questions ask of it.

I agree, but looking at the big picture it would be pretty hard to take our team into the top 8 next season unless we sign some real quality. Unfortunately we only really started over last year when the new coach came in.

When we lost the players in 2017 that we had been paying on potential this forum was full of comments about us buying established players as the paying for potential failed, 3 years don't the track everyone wants us overpaying for potential because the buying established players has failed.

We also had people about 5 weeks ago sprouting how we had turned the corner, you being one of the main posters and now you are convinced we are 2 years from finals football. I was told I was wrong at the time for stating I will believe we have turned the corner when we make the finals. My expectations have not changed on that, the only indicator I'll accept is finals football, anything less is a failure.

I remember agreeing with you about the fact that I won’t say we’ve turned the corner until we actually make finals, however I was very impressed at how Madge got the squad playing with so much effort and determination and we looked really good.

When people wanted established players I doubt they meant ridiculous overs for guys who haven’t been relevant for years, more like current good players. With our cap the way it is signing young guys is the only way.

Being realistic with our squad and salary cap the way it is there’s still a lot of changes to be made if we want to be consistent performers. Maybe we’ll get it done this off season but I get the feeling we won’t be able to offload all the duds before next year. I was always of the opinion it would take a long while for Madge or any coach to turn us around

A lot of people were very happy with those signings.

We were so young and optimistic ? we didn’t know the prices either

lol, I just think it is disappointing that this club has got to the point where it's supporters are writing off a season more than 6 months before the season commences and when the previous season hasn't even finished. Why would people even bother outlaying the thousand of $ they do if that is the expectation?


We are not for example this season with COVID was able to roll over my membership for next season.
I told the Membership team that if we don't make finals i won't be renewing and unless there is a significant turn around next season i won't be financial again.

I pledged mine, as did the majority of members.

Yes i pledged mine rolling into 2021, but i think after next season i wont be committing financially and will be surprised if we turn it around in 2021.

 

[cochise]

People do realize it is going to take 3 years after we lose Mbye ,Packer ,Reynolds ,McQueen etc leave

I'm just not sure Madge is the answer ......Ok you'd go to Souths and take a chance with Madge's work ethic because you could see they were close to a premiership

But come to the WT's ...we are a hemisphere away from where Souths were when Madge took over and its probably 3 seasons until we even make the 8

That is what you have to get past in most players minds

I expect finals next year, anything less is a joke.

That’s pretty unrealistic IMO. Would have to be some amazing recruitment drive to make us into a top 8 team next year.

2022 is the year there’s no excuses for Madge, full salary cap control, squad he wants absolutely no excuses. Next year he’ll still be building us unfortunately but hopefully our squad looks a bit better

Seriously? Any team that can't make the finals for a decade in a competition where 50% of teams make the finals needs to have serious questions ask of it.

I agree, but looking at the big picture it would be pretty hard to take our team into the top 8 next season unless we sign some real quality. Unfortunately we only really started over last year when the new coach came in.

When we lost the players in 2017 that we had been paying on potential this forum was full of comments about us buying established players as the paying for potential failed, 3 years don't the track everyone wants us overpaying for potential because the buying established players has failed.

We also had people about 5 weeks ago sprouting how we had turned the corner, you being one of the main posters and now you are convinced we are 2 years from finals football. I was told I was wrong at the time for stating I will believe we have turned the corner when we make the finals. My expectations have not changed on that, the only indicator I'll accept is finals football, anything less is a failure.

I remember agreeing with you about the fact that I won’t say we’ve turned the corner until we actually make finals, however I was very impressed at how Madge got the squad playing with so much effort and determination and we looked really good.

When people wanted established players I doubt they meant ridiculous overs for guys who haven’t been relevant for years, more like current good players. With our cap the way it is signing young guys is the only way.

Being realistic with our squad and salary cap the way it is there’s still a lot of changes to be made if we want to be consistent performers. Maybe we’ll get it done this off season but I get the feeling we won’t be able to offload all the duds before next year. I was always of the opinion it would take a long while for Madge or any coach to turn us around

A lot of people were very happy with those signings.

We were so young and optimistic ? we didn’t know the prices either

lol, I just think it is disappointing that this club has got to the point where it's supporters are writing off a season more than 6 months before the season commences and when the previous season hasn't even finished. Why would people even bother outlaying the thousand of $ they do if that is the expectation?


We are not for example this season with COVID was able to roll over my membership for next season.
I told the Membership team that if we don't make finals i won't be renewing and unless there is a significant turn around next season i won't be financial again.

I pledged mine, as did the majority of members.


Yes i pledged mine rolling into 2021, but i think after next season i wont be committing financially and will be surprised if we turn it around in 2021.

Pledging was the option of not rolling it into 21, pledging let the the club keep your membership money for 2020 and gave access to games in 2020.

You rolled over your membership.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

People do realize it is going to take 3 years after we lose Mbye ,Packer ,Reynolds ,McQueen etc leave

I'm just not sure Madge is the answer ......Ok you'd go to Souths and take a chance with Madge's work ethic because you could see they were close to a premiership

But come to the WT's ...we are a hemisphere away from where Souths were when Madge took over and its probably 3 seasons until we even make the 8

That is what you have to get past in most players minds

I expect finals next year, anything less is a joke.

That’s pretty unrealistic IMO. Would have to be some amazing recruitment drive to make us into a top 8 team next year.

2022 is the year there’s no excuses for Madge, full salary cap control, squad he wants absolutely no excuses. Next year he’ll still be building us unfortunately but hopefully our squad looks a bit better

Seriously? Any team that can't make the finals for a decade in a competition where 50% of teams make the finals needs to have serious questions ask of it.

I agree, but looking at the big picture it would be pretty hard to take our team into the top 8 next season unless we sign some real quality. Unfortunately we only really started over last year when the new coach came in.

When we lost the players in 2017 that we had been paying on potential this forum was full of comments about us buying established players as the paying for potential failed, 3 years don't the track everyone wants us overpaying for potential because the buying established players has failed.

We also had people about 5 weeks ago sprouting how we had turned the corner, you being one of the main posters and now you are convinced we are 2 years from finals football. I was told I was wrong at the time for stating I will believe we have turned the corner when we make the finals. My expectations have not changed on that, the only indicator I'll accept is finals football, anything less is a failure.

I remember agreeing with you about the fact that I won’t say we’ve turned the corner until we actually make finals, however I was very impressed at how Madge got the squad playing with so much effort and determination and we looked really good.

When people wanted established players I doubt they meant ridiculous overs for guys who haven’t been relevant for years, more like current good players. With our cap the way it is signing young guys is the only way.

Being realistic with our squad and salary cap the way it is there’s still a lot of changes to be made if we want to be consistent performers. Maybe we’ll get it done this off season but I get the feeling we won’t be able to offload all the duds before next year. I was always of the opinion it would take a long while for Madge or any coach to turn us around

A lot of people were very happy with those signings.

We were so young and optimistic ? we didn’t know the prices either

lol, I just think it is disappointing that this club has got to the point where it's supporters are writing off a season more than 6 months before the season commences and when the previous season hasn't even finished. Why would people even bother outlaying the thousand of $ they do if that is the expectation?


We are not for example this season with COVID was able to roll over my membership for next season.
I told the Membership team that if we don't make finals i won't be renewing and unless there is a significant turn around next season i won't be financial again.

I pledged mine, as did the majority of members.


Yes i pledged mine rolling into 2021, but i think after next season i wont be committing financially and will be surprised if we turn it around in 2021.

Pledging was the option of not rolling it into 21, pledging let the the club keep your membership money for 2020 and gave access to games in 2020.

You rolled over your membership.

Well i have nil option for games being in QLD and they kept mu $ till next year and most likely try and upsell me. lol

 

[Telltails]

Maybe the fans are backing the coach but not the players according to an article in today’s Tele.Saying there’s a lot of player unrest and a lot of disharmony behind the scenes and it’s showing in the side’s effort

Last week news ltd said there were one or two not happy. Now they're saying there's a lot ??

It's probably somewhat true. Reynolds, Packer, McQueen may not be happy that they are not picked and the other players may not be happy that the three of them get plenty for not contributing much - and at a stage in their careers that their best is gone. Brooks may not be happy that for the first time in his career he has been challenged about his form, and Mybe can't be confident that he is not being shopped around. And Benji may not like being pressured to make a decision about his future..
And considering we have all been mostly moaning about the performance by those players and calling for action, well that's what happens when you rock the players boat.

 

[fibrodreaming]

Maybe the fans are backing the coach but not the players according to an article in today’s Tele.Saying there’s a lot of player unrest and a lot of disharmony behind the scenes and it’s showing in the side’s effort

According to the WT site we have 10 players off contract next year. It is possible that none of them will be re-signed. So, potentially we have at least 10 players who are not happy with Madge.

When you consider that we have only 11 players signed for 2021 and that Madge is engaged in a clean out, we could have many more than the 10 players disgruntled at the moment.

That is probably what happens when you have a poor, underperforming squad, and a coach that demands consistency and success. The players see the writing on the wall and are not happy.

It would be bizarre if, under these circumstances, the club took the side of the underperforming players and sacked the coach.

 

[BAGNF05]

Maybe the fans are backing the coach but not the players according to an article in today’s Tele.Saying there’s a lot of player unrest and a lot of disharmony behind the scenes and it’s showing in the side’s effort

According to the WT site we have 10 players off contract next year. It is possible that none of them will be re-signed. So, potentially we have at least 10 players who are not happy with Madge.

When you consider that we have only 11 players signed for 2021 and that Madge is engaged in a clean out, we could have many more than the 10 players disgruntled at the moment.

That is probably what happens when you have a poor, underperforming squad, and a coach that demands consistency and success. The players see the writing on the wall and are not happy.

It would be bizarre if, under these circumstances, the club took the side of the underperforming players and sacked the coach.

If we are going to replace 10 players, why haven’t we already made inroads? I know of one bench forward coming, hate to always be the pessimist but I fear we will just resign most of our current squad for next year. If that happens there must be some big questions asked of Pascoe and Hartigan.

 

[Goanna57]

Maybe the fans are backing the coach but not the players according to an article in today’s Tele.Saying there’s a lot of player unrest and a lot of disharmony behind the scenes and it’s showing in the side’s effort

According to the WT site we have 10 players off contract next year. It is possible that none of them will be re-signed. So, potentially we have at least 10 players who are not happy with Madge.

When you consider that we have only 11 players signed for 2021 and that Madge is engaged in a clean out, we could have many more than the 10 players disgruntled at the moment.

That is probably what happens when you have a poor, underperforming squad, and a coach that demands consistency and success. The players see the writing on the wall and are not happy.

It would be bizarre if, under these circumstances, the club took the side of the underperforming players and sacked the coach.

Maybe there underperforming because of the coach,we added 4 first graders to the side this season and yet we are going worst than the last few years.why is that

 

[Tcat]

Maybe the fans are backing the coach but not the players according to an article in today’s Tele.Saying there’s a lot of player unrest and a lot of disharmony behind the scenes and it’s showing in the side’s effort

According to the WT site we have 10 players off contract next year. It is possible that none of them will be re-signed. So, potentially we have at least 10 players who are not happy with Madge.

When you consider that we have only 11 players signed for 2021 and that Madge is engaged in a clean out, we could have many more than the 10 players disgruntled at the moment.

That is probably what happens when you have a poor, underperforming squad, and a coach that demands consistency and success. The players see the writing on the wall and are not happy.

It would be bizarre if, under these circumstances, the club took the side of the underperforming players and sacked the coach.

Maybe there underperforming because of the coach,we added 4 first graders to the side this season and yet we are going worst than the last few years.why is that

I hope not. If they aren't performing because of the coach then they can leave.

 

[jadtiger]

Maybe the fans are backing the coach but not the players according to an article in today’s Tele.Saying there’s a lot of player unrest and a lot of disharmony behind the scenes and it’s showing in the side’s effort

According to the WT site we have 10 players off contract next year. It is possible that none of them will be re-signed. So, potentially we have at least 10 players who are not happy with Madge.

When you consider that we have only 11 players signed for 2021 and that Madge is engaged in a clean out, we could have many more than the 10 players disgruntled at the moment.

That is probably what happens when you have a poor, underperforming squad, and a coach that demands consistency and success. The players see the writing on the wall and are not happy.

It would be bizarre if, under these circumstances, the club took the side of the underperforming players and sacked the coach.

Maybe there underperforming because of the coach,we added 4 first graders to the side this season and yet we are going worst than the last few years.why is that

If you are right that is even more reason why the coach needs our support and the players need to be removed from the club

 

[Tim Sheens]

Maybe the fans are backing the coach but not the players according to an article in today’s Tele.Saying there’s a lot of player unrest and a lot of disharmony behind the scenes and it’s showing in the side’s effort

According to the WT site we have 10 players off contract next year. It is possible that none of them will be re-signed. So, potentially we have at least 10 players who are not happy with Madge.

When you consider that we have only 11 players signed for 2021 and that Madge is engaged in a clean out, we could have many more than the 10 players disgruntled at the moment.

That is probably what happens when you have a poor, underperforming squad, and a coach that demands consistency and success. The players see the writing on the wall and are not happy.

It would be bizarre if, under these circumstances, the club took the side of the underperforming players and sacked the coach.

Maybe there underperforming because of the coach,we added 4 first graders to the side this season and yet we are going worst than the last few years.why is that

If you are right that is even more reason why the coach needs our support and the players need to be removed from the club

I believe that you and @Tcat are misunderstanding his point, in that the players are not underperforming willingly, rather thinks that the coach isn't bringing out or utilising their abilities. I have similar concerns, especially so when I watched the different approach put forward against Parramatta the other night.

 

[JC99]

Maybe the fans are backing the coach but not the players according to an article in today’s Tele.Saying there’s a lot of player unrest and a lot of disharmony behind the scenes and it’s showing in the side’s effort

According to the WT site we have 10 players off contract next year. It is possible that none of them will be re-signed. So, potentially we have at least 10 players who are not happy with Madge.

When you consider that we have only 11 players signed for 2021 and that Madge is engaged in a clean out, we could have many more than the 10 players disgruntled at the moment.

That is probably what happens when you have a poor, underperforming squad, and a coach that demands consistency and success. The players see the writing on the wall and are not happy.

It would be bizarre if, under these circumstances, the club took the side of the underperforming players and sacked the coach.

If we are going to replace 10 players, why haven’t we already made inroads? I know of one bench forward coming, hate to always be the pessimist but I fear we will just resign most of our current squad for next year. If that happens there must be some big questions asked of Pascoe and Hartigan.

I’m sure they’re looking into it. There’s 4 development players joining the squad plus Stefano so that’s 5 spots free. Momirovski could come back which means 4 spots free too. The POM has said we’re in talks with a few players as well including JAC and Bunty Afoa.

 

[Goanna57]

Maybe the fans are backing the coach but not the players according to an article in today’s Tele.Saying there’s a lot of player unrest and a lot of disharmony behind the scenes and it’s showing in the side’s effort

According to the WT site we have 10 players off contract next year. It is possible that none of them will be re-signed. So, potentially we have at least 10 players who are not happy with Madge.

When you consider that we have only 11 players signed for 2021 and that Madge is engaged in a clean out, we could have many more than the 10 players disgruntled at the moment.

That is probably what happens when you have a poor, underperforming squad, and a coach that demands consistency and success. The players see the writing on the wall and are not happy.

It would be bizarre if, under these circumstances, the club took the side of the underperforming players and sacked the coach.

Maybe there underperforming because of the coach,we added 4 first graders to the side this season and yet we are going worst than the last few years.why is that

If you are right that is even more reason why the coach needs our support and the players need to be removed from the club

I believe that you and @Tcat are misunderstanding his point, in that the players are not underperforming willingly, rather thinks that the coach isn't bringing out or utilising their abilities. I have similar concerns, especially so when I watched the different approach put forward against Parramatta the other night.

Finally someone gets my meaning and I agree with you

 

[Tcat]

Maybe the fans are backing the coach but not the players according to an article in today’s Tele.Saying there’s a lot of player unrest and a lot of disharmony behind the scenes and it’s showing in the side’s effort

According to the WT site we have 10 players off contract next year. It is possible that none of them will be re-signed. So, potentially we have at least 10 players who are not happy with Madge.

When you consider that we have only 11 players signed for 2021 and that Madge is engaged in a clean out, we could have many more than the 10 players disgruntled at the moment.

That is probably what happens when you have a poor, underperforming squad, and a coach that demands consistency and success. The players see the writing on the wall and are not happy.

It would be bizarre if, under these circumstances, the club took the side of the underperforming players and sacked the coach.

Maybe there underperforming because of the coach,we added 4 first graders to the side this season and yet we are going worst than the last few years.why is that

If you are right that is even more reason why the coach needs our support and the players need to be removed from the club

I believe that you and @Tcat are misunderstanding his point, in that the players are not underperforming willingly, rather thinks that the coach isn't bringing out or utilising their abilities. I have similar concerns, especially so when I watched the different approach put forward against Parramatta the other night.

Finally someone gets my meaning and I agree with you

There has to be some flexibility there I guess, but we can't keep changing coaches to suit a few. That's why we need to allow Madge time to build a roster that suits his game plan and also, if others are struggling to adapt to his methodology it also gives them some time (not too much) to adjust. Bellamy appears to build the team to suit his game plan and philosophy and that's why the storm have been successful for so long. We can't keep rebuilding and also we need to understand that some average players on our roster dont have much ability to bring out.

 

[Lauren]

Maybe the fans are backing the coach but not the players according to an article in today’s Tele.Saying there’s a lot of player unrest and a lot of disharmony behind the scenes and it’s showing in the side’s effort

According to the WT site we have 10 players off contract next year. It is possible that none of them will be re-signed. So, potentially we have at least 10 players who are not happy with Madge.

When you consider that we have only 11 players signed for 2021 and that Madge is engaged in a clean out, we could have many more than the 10 players disgruntled at the moment.

That is probably what happens when you have a poor, underperforming squad, and a coach that demands consistency and success. The players see the writing on the wall and are not happy.

It would be bizarre if, under these circumstances, the club took the side of the underperforming players and sacked the coach.

Maybe there underperforming because of the coach,we added 4 first graders to the side this season and yet we are going worst than the last few years.why is that

If each player showed the same level of commitment as Madge, they'd be in a more secure place right now - including on the ladder.
I think it's ultimately gone balls up for Madge because there's a serious lack of desire, motivation, vision and initiative - from this group - in their ability to compete.

If you're buying into the recent media headlines, just ignore them.
Journos have zero care factor towards struggling clubs, and the only purpose(of these articles) is to muddy the waters.
They're theatrical and well known for playing dumb - by omitting significant details.
I can remember every year the Knights received the wooden spoon, there were weekly teamlists of players let go and constant theories about the lack of their success - despite being fully aware of them having no leadership and/or experienced players.
Plus I think us fans are doing a good enough job of letting it be known to the club of what we really think and feel.

 

[mike]

Maybe the fans are backing the coach but not the players according to an article in today’s Tele.Saying there’s a lot of player unrest and a lot of disharmony behind the scenes and it’s showing in the side’s effort

According to the WT site we have 10 players off contract next year. It is possible that none of them will be re-signed. So, potentially we have at least 10 players who are not happy with Madge.

When you consider that we have only 11 players signed for 2021 and that Madge is engaged in a clean out, we could have many more than the 10 players disgruntled at the moment.

That is probably what happens when you have a poor, underperforming squad, and a coach that demands consistency and success. The players see the writing on the wall and are not happy.

It would be bizarre if, under these circumstances, the club took the side of the underperforming players and sacked the coach.

Maybe there underperforming because of the coach,we added 4 first graders to the side this season and yet we are going worst than the last few years.why is that

If you are right that is even more reason why the coach needs our support and the players need to be removed from the club

I believe that you and @Tcat are misunderstanding his point, in that the players are not underperforming willingly, rather thinks that the coach isn't bringing out or utilising their abilities. I have similar concerns, especially so when I watched the different approach put forward against Parramatta the other night.

Finally someone gets my meaning and I agree with you

Or their abilities just aren’t enough and will never get us to the finals. Only new blood will, that have the abilities a premiership winning coach knows is required to achieve results.

 

[hsvjones]

We have pretty much had the same lazy squad for the last 4 years and the same results.. I feel for Madge as they clearly don't have that winning culture needed to be successful on a consistent basis.
His hands are tied unfortunately with the salary cap (We all know the wasted 3 mil worth of players we have) so he has invested into young up and comers that may or may not work out but better then doing what we have been doing and over paying for lazy senior players.
Once we can offload some of them he can buy those experienced players he needs that will actually contribute to the on field performance.
You don't win a comp in ESL and NRL if you don't know what you are doing and if we turn over another coach it just says to the players ... Your the boss and you don what you want..

enough it enough - time for a clean out and I for one will be happy to see it happen.

 

[fibrodreaming]

Maybe there underperforming because of the coach,we added 4 first graders to the side this season and yet we are going worst than the last few years.why is that

I can't answer your question. I do believe, however, that we are not a top 8 squad. The fact that we will miss the semis does not surprise me - I expected us to miss out at the start of the year.

What's more, I will make the bold prediction now that we won't make the 8 next year either - there is simply not enough scope to upgrade the squad.

One area where we have regressed compared to the last couple of years is in the halves. Brooks was Dally M halfback of the year in 2018, and last year (I can't remember the exact stats) Benji and Brooks were both up toward the top of the table for try assists and forced drop outs.

The drop in form of the halves could be a coaching issue. I believe our fundamental problem is that we don't have the forwards or the depth (ie bench strength) to match it with the good teams.

 

[Roar_Power]

Wake me up in pre season 2022. Buoyed by the opening of the COE and a cash splash due to Packer, Reynolds etc coming off the books, it might just be the year we creep into the 8.

 

[Goanna57]

Maybe the fans are backing the coach but not the players according to an article in today’s Tele.Saying there’s a lot of player unrest and a lot of disharmony behind the scenes and it’s showing in the side’s effort

According to the WT site we have 10 players off contract next year. It is possible that none of them will be re-signed. So, potentially we have at least 10 players who are not happy with Madge.

When you consider that we have only 11 players signed for 2021 and that Madge is engaged in a clean out, we could have many more than the 10 players disgruntled at the moment.

That is probably what happens when you have a poor, underperforming squad, and a coach that demands consistency and success. The players see the writing on the wall and are not happy.

It would be bizarre if, under these circumstances, the club took the side of the underperforming players and sacked the coach.

Maybe there underperforming because of the coach,we added 4 first graders to the side this season and yet we are going worst than the last few years.why is that

If you are right that is even more reason why the coach needs our support and the players need to be removed from the club

I believe that you and @Tcat are misunderstanding his point, in that the players are not underperforming willingly, rather thinks that the coach isn't bringing out or utilising their abilities. I have similar concerns, especially so when I watched the different approach put forward against Parramatta the other night.

Finally someone gets my meaning and I agree with you

Or their abilities just aren’t enough and will never get us to the finals. Only new blood will, that have the abilities a premiership winning coach knows is required to achieve results.

Don’t disagree with you I’m just concerned about the clubs ability to attract the right players

 

[mike]

Maybe the fans are backing the coach but not the players according to an article in today’s Tele.Saying there’s a lot of player unrest and a lot of disharmony behind the scenes and it’s showing in the side’s effort

According to the WT site we have 10 players off contract next year. It is possible that none of them will be re-signed. So, potentially we have at least 10 players who are not happy with Madge.

When you consider that we have only 11 players signed for 2021 and that Madge is engaged in a clean out, we could have many more than the 10 players disgruntled at the moment.

That is probably what happens when you have a poor, underperforming squad, and a coach that demands consistency and success. The players see the writing on the wall and are not happy.

It would be bizarre if, under these circumstances, the club took the side of the underperforming players and sacked the coach.

Maybe there underperforming because of the coach,we added 4 first graders to the side this season and yet we are going worst than the last few years.why is that

If you are right that is even more reason why the coach needs our support and the players need to be removed from the club

I believe that you and @Tcat are misunderstanding his point, in that the players are not underperforming willingly, rather thinks that the coach isn't bringing out or utilising their abilities. I have similar concerns, especially so when I watched the different approach put forward against Parramatta the other night.

Finally someone gets my meaning and I agree with you

Or their abilities just aren’t enough and will never get us to the finals. Only new blood will, that have the abilities a premiership winning coach knows is required to achieve results.

Don’t disagree with you I’m just concerned about the clubs ability to attract the right players

The next step is to get rid of those that aren’t. Then you have more chance of attracting quality players.