OFFICIAL Adam Doueihi #227

I've tried hard to keep my bias about Adam Doueihi in check.

I've been one of his biggest critics. I've advocated for him to either become a ball-playing 13 or move on. At the start of the season, after stringing a few good games, I was starting to wonder if my assessment of AD was wrong.

It wasn't..

AD is a myth in his own lunchbox.

Since returning, he's done exactly what he's always done. He dominates the team but doesn't dominate the opposition.

AD is Hastings in a bigger body with a touch more skill. He overcalls the attack, overplays his hand and slows our shape. Every now and then he pulls off a play that has everyone saying, "See, that's why he's in the team." Meanwhile, the fifty ordinary involvements, and the arm grabbing defence, gets forgotten.

Last night was the tipping point. The arm-grabbing. kicking to himself, wrong option plays killed overlap after overlap and kept us out of the contest. He wanted to be the answer to every question, and he ended up being most of the problem.

Before anyone says I'm just an AD hater, this isn't about one game. It's the same pattern we've seen since forever. He gives plenty of effort, but effort isn't the issue. Decision-making is.

I've never believed he's an NRL halfback. I don't think he's a genuine five-eighth either. Yet Benji continues to build large parts of our attack around him.

Why?

What has Adam Doueihi shown in the No.6 or No.7 jersey that justifies making him one of the dominant voices in this team?

When AD becomes the focal point, our attack becomes slower, narrower and easier to defend. Sure he can pull it off occasionally, but does the emporer really have new clothes?

Call me biased if you like, but point to the football.

What am I missing?
“gets forgotten” - Not by us all.
Another good post Jolls.
No one watches footy for the D, but you can’t win without it and that’s all I want. Winning.
You are spot on with your appraisal. He scored two tries against the DragQueens bcoz he hogged it, but got lucky as he nearly got held up, and kicked for himself and got lucky, but he cost us 3 tries. 2 in D and one his winger would have strolled over, I don’t know how he wasn’t hooked in that game, oh that’s right he scored 2 tries. Sometimes I think I’m watching a different game to everyone else, then you post. 👍🏻
 
I've tried hard to keep my bias about Adam Doueihi in check.

I've been one of his biggest critics. I've advocated for him to either become a ball-playing 13 or move on. At the start of the season, after stringing a few good games, I was starting to wonder if my assessment of AD was wrong.

It wasn't..

AD is a myth in his own lunchbox.

Since returning, he's done exactly what he's always done. He dominates the team but doesn't dominate the opposition.

AD is Hastings in a bigger body with a touch more skill. He overcalls the attack, overplays his hand and slows our shape. Every now and then he pulls off a play that has everyone saying, "See, that's why he's in the team." Meanwhile, the fifty ordinary involvements, and the arm grabbing defence, gets forgotten.

Last night was the tipping point. The arm-grabbing. kicking to himself, wrong option plays killed overlap after overlap and kept us out of the contest. He wanted to be the answer to every question, and he ended up being most of the problem.

Before anyone says I'm just an AD hater, this isn't about one game. It's the same pattern we've seen since forever. He gives plenty of effort, but effort isn't the issue. Decision-making is.

I've never believed he's an NRL halfback. I don't think he's a genuine five-eighth either. Yet Benji continues to build large parts of our attack around him.

Why?

What has Adam Doueihi shown in the No.6 or No.7 jersey that justifies making him one of the dominant voices in this team?

When AD becomes the focal point, our attack becomes slower, narrower and easier to defend. Sure he can pull it off occasionally, but does the emporer really have new clothes?

Call me biased if you like, but point to the football.

What am I missing?
Nothing. Arm grabs are back in fashion. The forwards have to do his work and wears them out.
Fix it Benji or move him elsewhere. Where are your advisers Benji. No advice?
Get some advisers with balls WT.
 
I've tried hard to keep my bias about Adam Doueihi in check.

I've been one of his biggest critics. I've advocated for him to either become a ball-playing 13 or move on. At the start of the season, after stringing a few good games, I was starting to wonder if my assessment of AD was wrong.

It wasn't..

AD is a myth in his own lunchbox.

Since returning, he's done exactly what he's always done. He dominates the team but doesn't dominate the opposition.

AD is Hastings in a bigger body with a touch more skill. He overcalls the attack, overplays his hand and slows our shape. Every now and then he pulls off a play that has everyone saying, "See, that's why he's in the team." Meanwhile, the fifty ordinary involvements, and the arm grabbing defence, gets forgotten.

Last night was the tipping point. The arm-grabbing. kicking to himself, wrong option plays killed overlap after overlap and kept us out of the contest. He wanted to be the answer to every question, and he ended up being most of the problem.

Before anyone says I'm just an AD hater, this isn't about one game. It's the same pattern we've seen since forever. He gives plenty of effort, but effort isn't the issue. Decision-making is.

I've never believed he's an NRL halfback. I don't think he's a genuine five-eighth either. Yet Benji continues to build large parts of our attack around him.

Why?

What has Adam Doueihi shown in the No.6 or No.7 jersey that justifies making him one of the dominant voices in this team?

When AD becomes the focal point, our attack becomes slower, narrower and easier to defend. Sure he can pull it off occasionally, but does the emporer really have new clothes?

Call me biased if you like, but point to the football.

What am I missing?
Well, you are only missing the fact that because of AD's dominance, the rest of the team just sit back waiting for something to happen. It's had the effect on Bula and Luai to the extent that they just don't contribute at all. Bula is no where to be seen. Luai stepped a tired player late in the game and ran for a change, but no one was in support.

6 10 6 - the last 3 weeks' scores all involved Douehi - Sukkar at the line, Douehi twice, including an amazing in-goal chase and the in-goal kick for Samuela. Other than those moments, our attack has been pathetic. When other teams spot our weakness, they hit us there again and again. Ask Tavana. What do we do? Douehi, Douehi, Douehi every time. It's so predictable. Rant over. Gotta mow the lawn even though it is a bit wet - dare I say the grass is a bit dewey! 🍻 🙃
 
Well, you are only missing the fact that because of AD's dominance, the rest of the team just sit back waiting for something to happen. It's had the effect on Bula and Luai to the extent that they just don't contribute at all. Bula is no where to be seen. Luai stepped a tired player late in the game and ran for a change, but no one was in support.

6 10 6 - the last 3 weeks' scores all involved Douehi - Sukkar at the line, Douehi twice, including an amazing in-goal chase and the in-goal kick for Samuela. Other than those moments, our attack has been pathetic. When other teams spot our weakness, they hit us there again and again. Ask Tavana. What do we do? Douehi, Douehi, Douehi every time. It's so predictable. Rant over. Gotta mow the lawn even though it is a bit wet - dare I say the grass is a bit dewey! 🍻 🙃
On the money!
 
I've tried hard to keep my bias about Adam Doueihi in check.

I've been one of his biggest critics. I've advocated for him to either become a ball-playing 13 or move on. At the start of the season, after stringing a few good games, I was starting to wonder if my assessment of AD was wrong.

It wasn't..

AD is a myth in his own lunchbox.

Since returning, he's done exactly what he's always done. He dominates the team but doesn't dominate the opposition.

AD is Hastings in a bigger body with a touch more skill. He overcalls the attack, overplays his hand and slows our shape. Every now and then he pulls off a play that has everyone saying, "See, that's why he's in the team." Meanwhile, the fifty ordinary involvements, and the arm grabbing defence, gets forgotten.

Last night was the tipping point. The arm-grabbing. kicking to himself, wrong option plays killed overlap after overlap and kept us out of the contest. He wanted to be the answer to every question, and he ended up being most of the problem.

Before anyone says I'm just an AD hater, this isn't about one game. It's the same pattern we've seen since forever. He gives plenty of effort, but effort isn't the issue. Decision-making is.

I've never believed he's an NRL halfback. I don't think he's a genuine five-eighth either. Yet Benji continues to build large parts of our attack around him.

Why?

What has Adam Doueihi shown in the No.6 or No.7 jersey that justifies making him one of the dominant voices in this team?

When AD becomes the focal point, our attack becomes slower, narrower and easier to defend. Sure he can pull it off occasionally, but does the emporer really have new clothes?

Call me biased if you like, but point to the football.

What am I missing?
Massive statement,🤔
 
I've tried hard to keep my bias about Adam Doueihi in check.

I've been one of his biggest critics. I've advocated for him to either become a ball-playing 13 or move on. At the start of the season, after stringing a few good games, I was starting to wonder if my assessment of AD was wrong.

It wasn't..

AD is a myth in his own lunchbox.

Since returning, he's done exactly what he's always done. He dominates the team but doesn't dominate the opposition.

AD is Hastings in a bigger body with a touch more skill. He overcalls the attack, overplays his hand and slows our shape. Every now and then he pulls off a play that has everyone saying, "See, that's why he's in the team." Meanwhile, the fifty ordinary involvements, and the arm grabbing defence, gets forgotten.

Last night was the tipping point. The arm-grabbing. kicking to himself, wrong option plays killed overlap after overlap and kept us out of the contest. He wanted to be the answer to every question, and he ended up being most of the problem.

Before anyone says I'm just an AD hater, this isn't about one game. It's the same pattern we've seen since forever. He gives plenty of effort, but effort isn't the issue. Decision-making is.

I've never believed he's an NRL halfback. I don't think he's a genuine five-eighth either. Yet Benji continues to build large parts of our attack around him.

Why?

What has Adam Doueihi shown in the No.6 or No.7 jersey that justifies making him one of the dominant voices in this team?

When AD becomes the focal point, our attack becomes slower, narrower and easier to defend. Sure he can pull it off occasionally, but does the emporer really have new clothes?

Call me biased if you like, but point to the football.

What am I missing?
Well said.
 
He certainly deserves a spot in the team but he is not and will never be a decent half.He is not directing play at all which is what we need more than anything else.He has to be moved to either centre or 13 and in either case he needs to learn to use his shoulder/arm in defence and not jumper grab.
 
I've tried hard to keep my bias about Adam Doueihi in check.

I've been one of his biggest critics. I've advocated for him to either become a ball-playing 13 or move on. At the start of the season, after stringing a few good games, I was starting to wonder if my assessment of AD was wrong.

It wasn't..

AD is a myth in his own lunchbox.

Since returning, he's done exactly what he's always done. He dominates the team but doesn't dominate the opposition.

AD is Hastings in a bigger body with a touch more skill. He overcalls the attack, overplays his hand and slows our shape. Every now and then he pulls off a play that has everyone saying, "See, that's why he's in the team." Meanwhile, the fifty ordinary involvements, and the arm grabbing defence, gets forgotten.

Last night was the tipping point. The arm-grabbing. kicking to himself, wrong option plays killed overlap after overlap and kept us out of the contest. He wanted to be the answer to every question, and he ended up being most of the problem.

Before anyone says I'm just an AD hater, this isn't about one game. It's the same pattern we've seen since forever. He gives plenty of effort, but effort isn't the issue. Decision-making is.

I've never believed he's an NRL halfback. I don't think he's a genuine five-eighth either. Yet Benji continues to build large parts of our attack around him.

Why?

What has Adam Doueihi shown in the No.6 or No.7 jersey that justifies making him one of the dominant voices in this team?

When AD becomes the focal point, our attack becomes slower, narrower and easier to defend. Sure he can pull it off occasionally, but does the emporer really have new clothes?

Call me biased if you like, but point to the football.

What am I missing?
Spot on
 
I've tried hard to keep my bias about Adam Doueihi in check.

I've been one of his biggest critics. I've advocated for him to either become a ball-playing 13 or move on. At the start of the season, after stringing a few good games, I was starting to wonder if my assessment of AD was wrong.

It wasn't..

AD is a myth in his own lunchbox.

Since returning, he's done exactly what he's always done. He dominates the team but doesn't dominate the opposition.

AD is Hastings in a bigger body with a touch more skill. He overcalls the attack, overplays his hand and slows our shape. Every now and then he pulls off a play that has everyone saying, "See, that's why he's in the team." Meanwhile, the fifty ordinary involvements, and the arm grabbing defence, gets forgotten.

Last night was the tipping point. The arm-grabbing. kicking to himself, wrong option plays killed overlap after overlap and kept us out of the contest. He wanted to be the answer to every question, and he ended up being most of the problem.

Before anyone says I'm just an AD hater, this isn't about one game. It's the same pattern we've seen since forever. He gives plenty of effort, but effort isn't the issue. Decision-making is.

I've never believed he's an NRL halfback. I don't think he's a genuine five-eighth either. Yet Benji continues to build large parts of our attack around him.

Why?

What has Adam Doueihi shown in the No.6 or No.7 jersey that justifies making him one of the dominant voices in this team?

When AD becomes the focal point, our attack becomes slower, narrower and easier to defend. Sure he can pull it off occasionally, but does the emporer really have new clothes?

Call me biased if you like, but point to the football.

What am I missing?

Agree. But where is his best position? I’d play him at right centre next week mainly through necessity due to our injuries. I think that’s where his running game can still be dangerous there. Hopefully his good defence from earlier in the season can return. I can’t see him outplaying Twal or even Seyfarth at lock.

That leaves Latu to 7 and Luia remains our 6, unless he is gone by then?

Some big decisions for Benji to make this week.
 
Well, you are only missing the fact that because of AD's dominance, the rest of the team just sit back waiting for something to happen. It's had the effect on Bula and Luai to the extent that they just don't contribute at all. Bula is no where to be seen. Luai stepped a tired player late in the game and ran for a change, but no one was in support.

6 10 6 - the last 3 weeks' scores all involved Douehi - Sukkar at the line, Douehi twice, including an amazing in-goal chase and the in-goal kick for Samuela. Other than those moments, our attack has been pathetic. When other teams spot our weakness, they hit us there again and again. Ask Tavana. What do we do? Douehi, Douehi, Douehi every time. It's so predictable. Rant over. Gotta mow the lawn even though it is a bit wet - dare I say the grass is a bit dewey! 🍻 🙃
That's the problem the team has had since they "dropped the ball" & reverted to wooden spoon mode.

No one is backing up the runners, anytime someone makes a tackle bust or is trying vainly to find a team mate to offload to, there's no one within cooee.

You don't gain rolling momentum unless you have players backing up.

A perfect example of someone who IS doing it right it's Fletcher Sharpe. He's ALWAYS there, backing up & making his own luck......very much like Terry Lamb did back in the day. Munster is like that when he's on his game, so is Harry Grant.

It's not like they can't do it, early in the season they were there for each other for that offload, with two or more players backing up, ready to take that pass.

Yes there's been injuries, yes the Luai drama has no doubt affected them mentally, but surely something else is amiss?
Luai & Doueihi have snapped at each other the last few games they've played together, some questionable positional changes and team selections, not being able to string the same team together for consecutive games and what I believe is a good part of the problem......players playing injured &/or coming back from injury underdone.

The last few weeks the boys have defended reasonably well considering the amount of ball they've given the opposition, its their attack. They get upfield & into the opposition 20 quite well usually, it's when they get there they've been terrible at turning that into points.
If they were scoring once every three times they get into the opposition red zone they'd probably have won at least 4 more games that I can think of off the bat.
They are just so clunky, disjointed and playing like a team of strangers just cobbled together.

I don't know what the answer is, but getting rid of $1.2 in wasted cap space is a start.
 
A very interesting perspective on Wests Tigers TV coaches report last night with Adel Hage which I notcied too.

The Warriors game (and Dragons to a lesser extent) is the first time in a long time that the 'old' Adam Doeuihi returned (the AD of 2022) - body language was poor, some efforts in defence were close to abysmal & was 'off' in attack.

Now I hope it was a blip, but as Adel said, this weekend's match against the Dogs will tell a big story on AD & any potential disconnect in the team. If the boys can't get up for them, it's pretty grim.
 
Common sense prevails. I like AD as a player but he should never, ever, ever be put in the halves as I previously said 13 or he is surplus.
I actually think right a lock who floats out towards the 4 man and now he’s stepping inside and targeting lazy middles , is pretty much what he does now as a 6 . .
You can also get him being the sweeping player out the back whilst Latu engages the middle onto Javon , and now drop Bula underneath and have AD sweeping around , maybe with KPP running an inside out line with the averillo and whoever’s on the right sting to hold shape .
That would be a brain explosion for most defences as literally Javon would have 1 of 5 options with the right timing.
The problem with AD and luai really , is both players base thier whole game around thier ability to make the first defender miss . If that’s not happening they both struggle to then shift to plays designed to get the ball in the outside men’s hands . Especially AD . Simply the ball in most u12s backline plays ends up with the winger scoring in the corner . That’s the ideal finish , and as such so is every other attacking player ever conceived no matter who’s doing what . But if they’re designed for this optimal outcome having a 6/7 who never passes the ball where he’s drawing and passing or giving early ball where his body feints have created space , is really detrimental .
If I was AD the 2 thing did be working on for individual growth , are learning how to move with the ball in the air , and perfecting that , as well as , quick hands that creates space for his edges by getting the defence to jam on him . Usually caused by faint body moves, subtle hip movements , and 9/10 times leading to you getting whacked by a centre .
 
A very interesting perspective on Wests Tigers TV coaches report last night with Adel Hage which I notcied too.

The Warriors game (and Dragons to a lesser extent) is the first time in a long time that the 'old' Adam Doeuihi returned (the AD of 2022) - body language was poor, some efforts in defence were close to abysmal & was 'off' in attack.

Now I hope it was a blip, but as Adel said, this weekend's match against the Dogs will tell a big story on AD & any potential disconnect in the team. If the boys can't get up for them, it's pretty grim.
Perhaps Benji has had the conversation with AD about his future at the club and where he will be playing. It was quite telling when he commented about the young Halves i.e. more than one. He obviously sees what a few of us on here have been seeing and that is that whilst he has been our best player, AD aint a 7 and i believe that being our best player is actually detrimental to our overall success. We see a similar thing with Galvin and the dogs, they keep saying yeah but he is the only one doing anything out there.....well yes that is the problem, your 7 should be creating for everyone else to look good.
 
AD often overplays his hand and has to work on his distribution to the men outside him no doubt. He was on another level to start the year creating and scoring tries with a really solid long kicking game. Hasn’t been at his best recently but none of the team has and he’s busted.

Should send him off for surgery now and play Luai and Latu for the rest of the season. AD is one of our best and will most likely be Capt. once API departs. It doesn’t matter if it’s in the halves, centres, lock or even edge Doueihi is in our 13.
 
AD often overplays his hand and has to work on his distribution to the men outside him no doubt. He was on another level to start the year creating and scoring tries with a really solid long kicking game. Hasn’t been at his best recently but none of the team has and he’s busted.

Should send him off for surgery now and play Luai and Latu for the rest of the season. AD is one of our best and will most likely be Capt. once API departs. It doesn’t matter if it’s in the halves, centres, lock or even edge Doueihi is in our 13.
I tend to agree, offset the move out of the halves with the captaincy and maybe a bump in salary.
 
A very interesting perspective on Wests Tigers TV coaches report last night with Adel Hage which I notcied too.

The Warriors game (and Dragons to a lesser extent) is the first time in a long time that the 'old' Adam Doeuihi returned (the AD of 2022) - body language was poor, some efforts in defence were close to abysmal & was 'off' in attack.

Now I hope it was a blip, but as Adel said, this weekend's match against the Dogs will tell a big story on AD & any potential disconnect in the team. If the boys can't get up for them, it's pretty grim.

Adel was giving it to AD and said he should be shown the door.. which seems harsh, unless there is more to the story we don’t know and Adel does ..

I didn’t like AD throwing either Luai, Maka or both under the bus in the PC …he made plenty of errors himself including my pet hate not finding touch from a penalty in the first two minutes ..which got them off on the wrong foot… not really coming across as Captain material with comments like that..
 
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