Adam Doueihi #227

[Tigerdazz2]

Well, you are only missing the fact that because of AD's dominance, the rest of the team just sit back waiting for something to happen. It's had the effect on Bula and Luai to the extent that they just don't contribute at all. Bula is no where to be seen. Luai stepped a tired player late in the game and ran for a change, but no one was in support.

6 10 6 - the last 3 weeks' scores all involved Douehi - Sukkar at the line, Douehi twice, including an amazing in-goal chase and the in-goal kick for Samuela. Other than those moments, our attack has been pathetic. When other teams spot our weakness, they hit us there again and again. Ask Tavana. What do we do? Douehi, Douehi, Douehi every time. It's so predictable. Rant over. Gotta mow the lawn even though it is a bit wet - dare I say the grass is a bit dewey! 🍻 🙃

That's the problem the team has had since they "dropped the ball" & reverted to wooden spoon mode.

No one is backing up the runners, anytime someone makes a tackle bust or is trying vainly to find a team mate to offload to, there's no one within cooee.

You don't gain rolling momentum unless you have players backing up.

A perfect example of someone who IS doing it right it's Fletcher Sharpe. He's ALWAYS there, backing up & making his own luck......very much like Terry Lamb did back in the day. Munster is like that when he's on his game, so is Harry Grant.

It's not like they can't do it, early in the season they were there for each other for that offload, with two or more players backing up, ready to take that pass.

Yes there's been injuries, yes the Luai drama has no doubt affected them mentally, but surely something else is amiss?
Luai & Doueihi have snapped at each other the last few games they've played together, some questionable positional changes and team selections, not being able to string the same team together for consecutive games and what I believe is a good part of the problem......players playing injured &/or coming back from injury underdone.

The last few weeks the boys have defended reasonably well considering the amount of ball they've given the opposition, its their attack. They get upfield & into the opposition 20 quite well usually, it's when they get there they've been terrible at turning that into points.
If they were scoring once every three times they get into the opposition red zone they'd probably have won at least 4 more games that I can think of off the bat.
They are just so clunky, disjointed and playing like a team of strangers just cobbled together.

I don't know what the answer is, but getting rid of $1.2 in wasted cap space is a start.

 

[Jolls]

Massive statement,🤔

Is it wrong?

 

[Terry T.Nuts]

Well said.

Common sense prevails. I like AD as a player but he should never, ever, ever be put in the halves as I previously said 13 or he is surplus.

 

[BlackWhiteGold]

A very interesting perspective on Wests Tigers TV coaches report last night with Adel Hage which I notcied too.

The Warriors game (and Dragons to a lesser extent) is the first time in a long time that the 'old' Adam Doeuihi returned (the AD of 2022) - body language was poor, some efforts in defence were close to abysmal & was 'off' in attack.

Now I hope it was a blip, but as Adel said, this weekend's match against the Dogs will tell a big story on AD & any potential disconnect in the team. If the boys can't get up for them, it's pretty grim.

 

[Lestronge]

Common sense prevails. I like AD as a player but he should never, ever, ever be put in the halves as I previously said 13 or he is surplus.

I actually think right a lock who floats out towards the 4 man and now he’s stepping inside and targeting lazy middles , is pretty much what he does now as a 6 . .
You can also get him being the sweeping player out the back whilst Latu engages the middle onto Javon , and now drop Bula underneath and have AD sweeping around , maybe with KPP running an inside out line with the averillo and whoever’s on the right sting to hold shape .
That would be a brain explosion for most defences as literally Javon would have 1 of 5 options with the right timing.
The problem with AD and luai really , is both players base thier whole game around thier ability to make the first defender miss . If that’s not happening they both struggle to then shift to plays designed to get the ball in the outside men’s hands . Especially AD . Simply the ball in most u12s backline plays ends up with the winger scoring in the corner . That’s the ideal finish , and as such so is every other attacking player ever conceived no matter who’s doing what . But if they’re designed for this optimal outcome having a 6/7 who never passes the ball where he’s drawing and passing or giving early ball where his body feints have created space , is really detrimental .
If I was AD the 2 thing did be working on for individual growth , are learning how to move with the ball in the air , and perfecting that , as well as , quick hands that creates space for his edges by getting the defence to jam on him . Usually caused by faint body moves, subtle hip movements , and 9/10 times leading to you getting whacked by a centre .

 

[TheEnz]

A very interesting perspective on Wests Tigers TV coaches report last night with Adel Hage which I notcied too.

The Warriors game (and Dragons to a lesser extent) is the first time in a long time that the 'old' Adam Doeuihi returned (the AD of 2022) - body language was poor, some efforts in defence were close to abysmal & was 'off' in attack.

Now I hope it was a blip, but as Adel said, this weekend's match against the Dogs will tell a big story on AD & any potential disconnect in the team. If the boys can't get up for them, it's pretty grim.

Perhaps Benji has had the conversation with AD about his future at the club and where he will be playing. It was quite telling when he commented about the young Halves i.e. more than one. He obviously sees what a few of us on here have been seeing and that is that whilst he has been our best player, AD aint a 7 and i believe that being our best player is actually detrimental to our overall success. We see a similar thing with Galvin and the dogs, they keep saying yeah but he is the only one doing anything out there.....well yes that is the problem, your 7 should be creating for everyone else to look good.

 

[Jimmy]

AD often overplays his hand and has to work on his distribution to the men outside him no doubt. He was on another level to start the year creating and scoring tries with a really solid long kicking game. Hasn’t been at his best recently but none of the team has and he’s busted.

Should send him off for surgery now and play Luai and Latu for the rest of the season. AD is one of our best and will most likely be Capt. once API departs. It doesn’t matter if it’s in the halves, centres, lock or even edge Doueihi is in our 13.

 

[TheEnz]

AD often overplays his hand and has to work on his distribution to the men outside him no doubt. He was on another level to start the year creating and scoring tries with a really solid long kicking game. Hasn’t been at his best recently but none of the team has and he’s busted.

Should send him off for surgery now and play Luai and Latu for the rest of the season. AD is one of our best and will most likely be Capt. once API departs. It doesn’t matter if it’s in the halves, centres, lock or even edge Doueihi is in our 13.

I tend to agree, offset the move out of the halves with the captaincy and maybe a bump in salary.

 

[Tom Shines]

A very interesting perspective on Wests Tigers TV coaches report last night with Adel Hage which I notcied too.

The Warriors game (and Dragons to a lesser extent) is the first time in a long time that the 'old' Adam Doeuihi returned (the AD of 2022) - body language was poor, some efforts in defence were close to abysmal & was 'off' in attack.

Now I hope it was a blip, but as Adel said, this weekend's match against the Dogs will tell a big story on AD & any potential disconnect in the team. If the boys can't get up for them, it's pretty grim.

Adel was giving it to AD and said he should be shown the door.. which seems harsh, unless there is more to the story we don’t know and Adel does ..

I didn’t like AD throwing either Luai, Maka or both under the bus in the PC …he made plenty of errors himself including my pet hate not finding touch from a penalty in the first two minutes ..which got them off on the wrong foot… not really coming across as Captain material with comments like that..

 

[BlackWhiteGold]

Adel was giving it to AD and said he should be shown the door.. which seems harsh, unless there is more to the story we don’t know and Adel does ..

I didn’t like AD throwing either Luai, Maka or both under the bus in the PC …he made plenty of errors himself including my pet hate not finding touch from a penalty in the first two minutes ..which got them off on the wrong foot… not really coming across as Captain material with comments like that..

My non-expert opinion is that AD (in fact all of our squad) would benefit greatly from a sports psychologist that works regularly at the club. Broncos have previously benefited for one and most high performance athletes use one.

I have felt for a long time this is an area our players struggle with. We have too many passive types that when the going gets tough, they look like they feel sorry for themselves & reduce their effort.

I would like our team that when we face adversity, they get angry, they get motivated, their adrenaline pumps, they grit their teeth, they pump each other up!

Remember the days of Lleyton Hewitt & Pat Rafter when they often came back from the brink of defeat!

 

[Tom Shines]

My non-expert opinion is that AD (in fact all of our squad) would benefit greatly from a sports psychologist that works regularly at the club. Broncos have previously benefited for one and most high performance athletes use one.

Every pro sports club in the world should have one ….although no doubt we would be skimping

I have similar concerns about some of the mental errors and efforts we continue to see on the field ..the faces come and go but the story remains the same …should be a greater focus of our recruitment ..but can only assume they take what they can get ..

 

[BlackWhiteGold]

AD has had like 2 bad games this year and defended poorly in the centres over the weekend, it's like after 1 bad game, after the majority of his games are good, he somehow needs to see a psychologist for his performance, but Luai plays bad 90% of the time, and people are rushing to defend him..... woke DEI forum.

AD has been one of our best-performing players overall this year.

The point being the whole team could benefit from a sports psych like most high performance athletes do. They may well have one I don't know.

Just a long-time observation of our players when adversity strikes. They don't seem able to rise up against it. See our results for the past how ever many years when an issue or injury strikes.

 

[Lestronge]

AD has had like 2 bad games this year and defended poorly in the centres over the weekend, it's like after 1 bad game, after the majority of his games are good, he somehow needs to see a psychologist for his performance, but Luai plays bad 90% of the time, and people are rushing to defend him..... woke DEI forum.

AD has been one of our best-performing players overall this year.

Why do people use terms like woke ? What’s woke about people saying that a ball running 6 who rarely passes to edges where he puts them in a better position than himself , is an issue . Especially if historically , many people have pointed out the selfish tendencies of that player .
I hope it was one bad game . I hope he’s nursing his shoulder, and that’s where issue is re. Struggling to pass , trying to avoid any types of situations where he hyper extends the shoulder etc.
But as the club now pivots away from Romey , it’s reasonable to ask should we go full balls to the wall and hand the keys to Latu and Javon , have api and Heyward swap next yr, Bula at the back , Lanyon coming on after a big offseason in the gym , and maybe some kind of hybrid centre/6/1, to wear the 19.

 

[jadtiger]

AD has had like 2 bad games this year and defended poorly in the centres over the weekend, it's like after 1 bad game, after the majority of his games are good, he somehow needs to see a psychologist for his performance, but Luai plays bad 90% of the time, and people are rushing to defend him..... woke DEI forum.

AD has been one of our best-performing players overall this year.

He runs the ball strongly but fails in the key areas that you need from a 7,no organisational skills and rarely passes effectively.Yes he has played well at times and been one of our better performers but has failed as a half which is what we need.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

he has played some really good games this year, friday was not one of them it was back to old Adam in defence with the hand grabbing.

We need to see what we have in Latu and we need a centre this year so AD moves to centre

That allows Latu to 6 maybe jock at 7
Andrews on bench

 

[Vicious]

Adel was giving it to AD and said he should be shown the door.. which seems harsh, unless there is more to the story we don’t know and Adel does ..

I didn’t like AD throwing either Luai, Maka or both under the bus in the PC …he made plenty of errors himself including my pet hate not finding touch from a penalty in the first two minutes ..which got them off on the wrong foot… not really coming across as Captain material with comments like that..

What a genius idea, get rid of AD and watch us flourish.
News Flash we would not have scored one single try over the past 3 games if not for AD.

 

[Tom Shines]

What a genius idea, get rid of AD and watch us flourish.
News Flash we would not have scored one single try over the past 3 games if not for AD.

We are averaging 7 points a game since he has been back - big deal

 

[TheEnz]

We are averaging 7 points a game since he has been back - big deal

How many tries have been left out there because he cant regularly create for his outside players, or concentrate the defense to free up the left side attack. I love what AD brings when he is on, however he is not a 7 and especially not a 7 that will get us into the top 8.

 

[weststigers]

I've tried hard to keep my bias about Adam Doueihi in check.

I've been one of his biggest critics. I've advocated for him to either become a ball-playing 13 or move on. At the start of the season, after stringing a few good games, I was starting to wonder if my assessment of AD was wrong.

It wasn't..

AD is a myth in his own lunchbox.

Since returning, he's done exactly what he's always done. He dominates the team but doesn't dominate the opposition.

AD is Hastings in a bigger body with a touch more skill. He overcalls the attack, overplays his hand and slows our shape. Every now and then he pulls off a play that has everyone saying, "See, that's why he's in the team." Meanwhile, the fifty ordinary involvements, and the arm grabbing defence, gets forgotten.

Last night was the tipping point. The arm-grabbing. kicking to himself, wrong option plays killed overlap after overlap and kept us out of the contest. He wanted to be the answer to every question, and he ended up being most of the problem.

Before anyone says I'm just an AD hater, this isn't about one game. It's the same pattern we've seen since forever. He gives plenty of effort, but effort isn't the issue. Decision-making is.

I've never believed he's an NRL halfback. I don't think he's a genuine five-eighth either. Yet Benji continues to build large parts of our attack around him.

Why?

What has Adam Doueihi shown in the No.6 or No.7 jersey that justifies making him one of the dominant voices in this team?

When AD becomes the focal point, our attack becomes slower, narrower and easier to defend. Sure he can pull it off occasionally, but does the emporer really have new clothes?

Call me biased if you like, but point to the football.

What am I missing?

The "hero" complex seems to have come back into his game - trying to do it all himself and by doing that, the opposition only needs to shut down one threat instead of multiple. I still don't think he can pass the ball on both sides of his body, but that's a side note.

We need to find a way to utilise his line-breaking ability because he is a genuine threat.

I can't hold his defence against him given his shoulder - I thought he has been far better in defence this season before the injury.

I think we have a number of halves options at the club, so the pre-season will be interesting:
Doueihi
Latu
Andrews
Schuster
Madden

I really hope Schuster gets it together and makes a play for 6 and Latu at 7 - Andrews is still young despite calls to throw him in.

I don't know what to do with Doueihi though - he doesn't really fit anywhere in our team other than 14.

 

[Vicious]

We are averaging 7 points a game since he has been back - big deal

Would you prefer to be averaging 0 points per game and why would the ONLY person providing and points be the problem?
Why do players who consistently provide nothing always escape criticism?