Alex Seyfarth #232
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There's always next week...
hank37w
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. . . . . . and if he finds improvement each week it will justify his long term signing on what I can only assume is a fairly modest contract. 🤞
Rock Hopper Steve
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He's a tryer bat but have issues with his attack at the moment not enough impact and is easily handled by the bigger forwards feel we need a bigger player in his spot.
I agree he is not a right edge back rower that is going to strike fear into our opposition, however I think he’s more than earned an opportunity to get a good run of games in that position to see how much he can improve his running game and general attacking play.
I don’t think there is much wrong with his defence.
When in our red zone, Seyfarth has shown in the past he can be effective and cross the strike, so I don’t think that is an issue, but in the modern game it is ideal to have both of your edge back rowers with the speed and power to make more regular tackle busts and line breaks.
At worst he is definitely a valuable player to have in our top 17 as he has shown he also holds his own when playing b as a middle forward.
I’ve seen a lot of comments stating neither Seyfarth or Twal would make the top 17 at other NRL clubs, those comments are way off the mark.
As you and I have both previously stated RHS, our current team doesn’t look to have too many issues when we are full strength, but it’s about having the right balance between workers and impact players and we are probably lacking one more impact player in our forwards, whether that be another Royce Hunt style of hard running prop, or another attack minded back rower who can cause destruction when running the ball.
A good all round centre who is a very good reliable defender would be good also.
Rock Hopper Steve
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If we had the perfect world an impact prop, 2RF and strike centre would probably give us a top 8 side, as for Twally never had a problem with him when fully fit he has proven his worth.
Tucker
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I think this narrative that Seyfarth is the most ill disciplined player in our team is BS. He gets an unfair bad wrap on this issue. As you brought this up, here is a snapshot of the past 3 years...
In season 2024, the most penalised player was Sezer. The player who had the most judiciary troubles was also Sezer. Seyfarth had the 4th or 5th worst discipline.
In season 2023, the most penalised player was Stefano. The player who had the most judiciary troubles was Papalií. Seyfarth wouldnt have been top 10 for worst discipline.
In season 2022, the most penalised player was Simpkin / Ofanhengaue. The player who had the most judiciary troubles was Naden. Seyfarth was outside the top 5 for worst discipline.
Yes he is a bit hot headed, however we have always had worse and as a matter of record, his captain the past two years has been worse.
tig_prmz
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Out of curiosity, how do Seyfarth's penalty count and sin-bin rates stack up per minute played across the NRL? Just eyeballing it, I'm sure Seyfarth would be high up there. In 2024, Sezer had a shocking year, Api would be high up there because he played 80 minutes every week and really pushed the line.
In 2022 and 2023, I don't think Seyfarth played that many minutes.
I definitely think we should not have committed for 4 extra years for Alex, but despite all that I like him and he has the aggression we need. We also need someone who is a reliable defender and pushes the fitness barrrier at training. I hope Seyfarth can be that person.
Canadian Club
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It’s not BS, it’s fact. Seyfarth was worse than Sezer or Api. You need to take into consideration time on the field. Sezer and Api both averaged over 70mins a game. Seyfarth averaged 45mins.
If you have a look at penalties to minutes played Seyfarth was in the top 3 of penalties conceded in the entire NRL.
Yeah and you need to consider the fact Aidan Sezer played 6 less games.
According to Legz:
Sezer played 1241 minutes for 18 penalties, averaging 1 penalty per 69 minutes
Seyfarth played 1102 minutes for 13 penalites, averaging 85 minutes.
Koroisau 1631 minutes for 13 penalties, 1 per 125 minutes.
Utoikamanu 1204 minutes for 13 penalties, 1 per 92 minutes.
Klemmer 850 minutes for 7 penalties (incl. 3 in one game), 1 per 121 minutes.
Naden 637 minutes for 5 penalties, 1 per 127 minutes.
Porter 457 minutes for 4 penalties, 1 per 114 minutes
TDS 257 minutes for 3 penalties, 1 per 89 minutes
Kepaoa 109 minutes for 2 penalties, 1 per 54.5 minutes.
Johannsen 26 minutes for 1 penalty.
So he came 4th, but you could probably excuse the low minutes of Johannsen and Kepaoa. Additionally, he's only a little better than TDS and Utoikamanu.
In the trial he conceded one penalty, but so did Mason, Samuela, Latu and Kit. TDS had 3!!! His penalty was for offside as well and I went and watched it back. The angle was pretty bad so I couldn't see anything but Pole and TDS were in a straight line with Seyfarth when the camera pans to them.
I would like to see where you got this Top 3 stat from because I could quite quickly find some who played a majority of matches in the season with a worse average than 84.77.
Sezer (68.9)
Townsend (83.6)
S.Walker (84.2)
JWH (45.4)
NAS (59.9)
Jake Clifford* (58.3) (8 games)
Hopgood (79.1)
There is probably many more.
Obviously, yeah you can argue that it's still not good and that's a fair enough take but there is no need to exaggerate.
I then decided lets watch every single penalty he has received last year.
Round 4 vs Eels, Dangerous tackle. Apparently high contact but he has a loose arm which grabs the shoulder of the halfback trying to step him. Another angle may be better but commentators said "not a lot in it"
Round 4 vs Eels - Grapple. I'm assuming this is putting his hand on the players head after the tackle.
Round 6 vs Dragons - Slow Peel. His arm actually got stuck under the Dragons player you can see, but he got up as quick as he could, but not quick enough for the ref.
Round 10 vs Knights - Dangerous Tackle. Loose arm again, grabs the shoulder but hits his head while he's at it.
Round 14 vs Dragons - Other. Flanagan pushed Seyfarth and Seyfarth got angry.
Round 14 vs Dragons - Other. Double movement looking to score a try, would classify this as more of an error. Showed immediate regret and slapped himself in the head multiple times.
Round 16 vs Raiders - Offside + Sin Bin. Galvin gave away a penalty, there was a quick tap and Seyfarth instinctively reacts to the movement out the corner of his eye but then pulls away immediately. I'd classify this similar to Samuela Fainu's bin earlier in the year.
Round 18 vs Storm - Slow Peel, he was kind of held down by number 12 (fainu?) but got up as soon as the ref said so.
Round 21 vs Warriors - Late Tackle. Definite poor discipline
Round 21 vs Warriors - Offside (from kick). Yeah a bit silly here, he was like 5m offside.
Round 24 vs Rabbits - Dangerous Tackle. Definitely high, but not intentional. Hit the shoulder first then bounced up, couple cm lower and he would have hit the sweet spot.
Round 24 vs Rabbits - Shoulder Charge. Jye Gray is in space, Seyfarth comes to make the tackle, last second Gray kicks, Seyfarth tries to pull out but ends up in an awkward position as he was running it fast and tries to hug/deflect off Gray. I remember being at the game and being annoyed at the refs for that. Not poor discipline just unfortunate.
Round 25 vs Manly - Dangerous Tackle. Player runs and ducks slightly into his arm. But that's like the 3rd time I've seen a lazy arm cause a high tackle from a player stepping back on the inside.
So out of the penalties I'd say 1, 2, 4, 5, 9, 10, 13 are due to poor discipline as well as his sin bin against the dogs. He was probably unlucky with 3 of them (3, 8, 12) which will happen to everyone and double movement is a kind of annoying penalty due to him trying too hard. His penalties overall weren't that bad either which is why he was only on report 3 times (less than Api, Sezer, Klemmer).
His discipline, particularly with the lazy arms and also his responses to getting provoked (dogs, dragons games) needs improvement but I don't think it's too bad or too hard to improve overall.
Tucker
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Depends how pedantic you want to be to prove a point. Why not count it in seconds? You could make it look even worse then.
All stats sites present these numbers as an average of how many games you have played.
What I said is correct. Seyfarth wasnt a saint last year, but he wasnt alone either. Sezer, Api, Klemmer and Olam all cost us more with their discipline. Seyfarth gave some penalties away, but no suspensions unlike those others.
In 2023 he was barely noticeable as being in trouble....3 penalties and 0 suspensions for the whole season. In 2022 he gave 9 penalties and had 0 suspensions.
Just a question
Are you Rex’s off sider Barry Ross by any chance ?
Wow... How long did that take ya?
It's David Middleton.. stats guroo
Tuck,I think Alex will mature even more this year,his discipline isnt way bad but needs to improve a bit more so the haters will settle down a bit..
He is a workhorse and every team needs them..
hank37w
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Have to say that I'm flabbergasted seeing all those stats. 🤣
Canadian Club
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Stats for an NRL page which included 6 agains/set restarts. Sezer was also in the top 3 and is not in the NRL anymore (rightfully so). You've tried to justify nearly every penalty given... You could give the same analysis of every penalty given by any player. Api does twice as much work in almost double the time on the field. The amount of times Seyfarth gave away a penalty and did his signature head banging was actually comical at times.
That round 24 vs Souths one was horrible and you've definitely undersold that. it was completely poor discipline... He went into that to take Gray out, he had no intention of wrapping his arms, again completely unnecessary. Gray had kicked the ball and it was gone, the play was over (6:50 on the link below). That penalty almost cost us the game, Souths were on the comeback at that stage and he gave away a silly penalty on the last tackle when the ball had been kick and was going dead. If he doesn't do that, its a 7 tackle set with 9minutes to go and the game is essentially wrapped up.
I've used that example specifically because thats one of the biggest issues with Seyfarth and his penalties, they are completely idiotic at times and unnecessary. Its not like hes giving holding penalties on tackle zero to help the defense get set. He's giving away penalties when we are most vulnerable or already on the back foot.
At then end of the day, that many penalties for a 45minute player is unacceptable, especially for a player who doesn't offer much outside of effort and passion. He's not a great defender, slow mover laterally and isn't a try scorer or attacking weapon by any means. If he gives away penalties at the same rate as last year in his new role as an 80min edge backrower, we can expect 23-25 penalties this year which is exactly what we don't need as a team trying to fight its way off the bottom.
I'd love nothing more than for Seyfarth to turn it around and become a reliable starter for us, but he really needs to work on his discipline and defense before he can considered anything other than bench option/depth option.
Canadian Club
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In summary, the worst disciplined player on our roster currently is.... Alex Seyfarth.
Tucker
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24 was his worst easily but geeze he had some mates.
Sezer had an all time stinker and Api was playing frustratedly. Klemmer and Olam were in the shit a bit too.
Tucker
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Only because none of Sezer, Api, Klem and Olam will be playing in round 1.
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