Aloiai

[hammertime]

The two trades may be linked. Since manly can't give us any more cap space than what aloai is signed for, they may do it through the siro > garner deal.

 

[TigerWest]

Melbourne have been ruthless with the whole handling of it.
Panthers are being smart with Laurie really but Parra were totally smug with Stefano - thought the debut they gave him was terrible from them.
Therefore, I don't know how to describe WT in this situation. But the fact it's not the first time doesn't exactly paint us in a good light either.

Obviously by the amount of posts on this, there are pros and cons, I would think, hope and expect the club to consider each situation but it must be hard when a player wants out.

Not really sure why Matterson wasn’t happy, but I think eels offered him more money.

Aloiai was happy then his manager got him a bigger payday, then he wanted out, that still hasn’t been decided as to what will happen, though you would expect he will be shown the door.

Laurie and Stefano are/were development players, no big cost to the respective clubs, probably not considering the player though?
Development players aren’t going to kick stones.

Storm had one of the best players on the planet at stake, they had already lost some of their backline and again didn’t really consider JAC family needs, though he was apparently happy after they increased his salary.
I think we were used, but the club wouldn’t know that until it becomes obvious.
You have to try, but what do you do.

 

[TigerWest]

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

We aren't getting compensated at this point. Compensation would require Manly giving us something in return for releasing Aloiai. The proposed deal now is that we just get Aloiai off our books and therefore we sign someone else.

We did the same thing with Matterson and it allowed us to sign AD and LL.

My opinion is that we should have kept Matterson and we should keep Aloiai. These guys were our best forwards and close to best players in their last season with us. It just seems stupid to release quality players because they spit the dummy.

We should be compensated but I think the writing is on the wall in that we sign JO and release JA.

Quoting what the POM said - obviously you have another source.

I'm quoting the POM as well. His last post stated:-

Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)
Garner for Sironen (pending terms)

I could be wrong but that to me is exactly as I stated which is no benefit to us at all. We just lose his contract from our books. I don't think Manly can give us extra dollars for our salary cap. They could pay a player who is playing for us this season but I can't see that happening.

If you have another source that says something different or my understanding is incorrect let us know.

My take on, Josh for $$$, is essentially we get to use his $350k salary cap elsewhere. We can do that when we fine him for not showing up. Will get sorted real quick then.


Exactly right. We get nothing at all from Manly. It just means we can sign another player with his current salary.

I'm okay with it in that there is no reason to have a tantrum about it but it's happened over the last couple of years with two of our best players who have had career best seasons. Is it going to keep happening ?

Sorry to keep repeating this, but it will happen to any club IF they allow it. The club holds the contract, *if they are happy to release the player then they will, if not they wont.* There are benefits to letting disaffected players go as well.
Many have mentioned we have the longest record of not making the top 8, the players being released were part of that record as well.

We have the ability to stop it. I completely understand though that there are advantages to just letting them go. I think we have compensated for the players we've lost pretty well. It would have been better to keep those players and gain other players but we've done pretty well just letting them go.

It we be great if it could be stopped, just not sure how one club could do it, it needs the NRL to do it, I understand our chair has sent some things through, hopefully they will listen and act on them?

 

[diedpretty]

I wonder if we could use any monies Manly pay us for JA as a 3rd party payment. Obviously tongue in cheek but how good would it be if Manly was sponsoring a TPA for us.

 

[diedpretty]

I wonder if we could use any monies Manly pay us for JA as a 3rd party payment. Obviously tongue in cheek but how good would it be if Manly was sponsoring a TPA for us.

 

[Cairnstigers]

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

We aren't getting compensated at this point. Compensation would require Manly giving us something in return for releasing Aloiai. The proposed deal now is that we just get Aloiai off our books and therefore we sign someone else.

We did the same thing with Matterson and it allowed us to sign AD and LL.

My opinion is that we should have kept Matterson and we should keep Aloiai. These guys were our best forwards and close to best players in their last season with us. It just seems stupid to release quality players because they spit the dummy.

We should be compensated but I think the writing is on the wall in that we sign JO and release JA.

But how do you know we weren’t compensated, they don’t have to tell us?

The Pom came on here and stated exactly what I've stated. We are just getting Aloiai off our books. The same thing happened with Matterson.

I could be wrong but there is no evidence at all that we are being compensated. The evidence that we have even though it's poor evidence states that we get no compensation.

I don't like it. I reckon it's bad. In stating that I understand the club just wants to get a team together who wants to win and we don't need players there who aren't committed.

Yep the dummy spitters always just get their own way with us in the end.

Dummy spitters (Moses, Matterson, Aloiai) - whaa, whaa I don’t like it here, I want to go play over there, I’m not gonna talk to anyone unless I get my way, I want a bigger ice cream!

WT management (rhetoric) - you are a very naughty boy, you won’t get your own way, you are contracted to us and you will see out your contract, either by playing with us or sitting on the sidelines for a season, we will not be used as a doormat for disgruntled little boys anymore!

WT management (reality) - it’s ok little guy, daddy doesn’t mind, here’s a nice ice cream, now go over there and play with your new friends, as long as you are happy.

Yeah sets a terrible example for younger players if he is free to leave. Cap space could be helpful but it'd be better to swing a trade for Aloiai imo. Manly really have no negotiating room atm and seem dependent on us letting Aloiai go. Let them give us Cust or a promising junior. Or let them take on Packer's deal, partly subsidised if it is cap space we're after. If Aloiai wants to carry on like a porkchop, let him. He doesn't have a leg to stand on.

What would we do if Manly said, “we’ve got him for 2022, you keep him for next year”?

Then he plays for the Tigers
After the game he walks out the from gates with all the Tigers Supporters
I hope he plays well

 

[cochise]

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

We aren't getting compensated at this point. Compensation would require Manly giving us something in return for releasing Aloiai. The proposed deal now is that we just get Aloiai off our books and therefore we sign someone else.

We did the same thing with Matterson and it allowed us to sign AD and LL.

My opinion is that we should have kept Matterson and we should keep Aloiai. These guys were our best forwards and close to best players in their last season with us. It just seems stupid to release quality players because they spit the dummy.

We should be compensated but I think the writing is on the wall in that we sign JO and release JA.

Quoting what the POM said - obviously you have another source.

I'm quoting the POM as well. His last post stated:-

Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)
Garner for Sironen (pending terms)

I could be wrong but that to me is exactly as I stated which is no benefit to us at all. We just lose his contract from our books. I don't think Manly can give us extra dollars for our salary cap. They could pay a player who is playing for us this season but I can't see that happening.

If you have another source that says something different or my understanding is incorrect let us know.

Depends what "essentially Joe" means, if they are paying compensation that covers his wage next year then it is not getting nothing.

How could compensation paid through cash pay for Joe O when his salary comes out of the salary cap?

Because cash is cash and if it improve our bottom line its still compensation worth having. His pay comes out of Wests Tigers funds, its not like the Salary Cap is someone else's money, the cap just limits how much of our money we are allowed to spend on players.

Whatever 'cash' we get, it's got nothing to do with our signing of Joe O. We need salary cap space and a position in the squad to sign him, we already have the position in the squad, and considering we were chasing JAC and surely had a glimmer of hope for Grant, we had the salary cap space for Joe O.

From what I've read, we could retain Josh Aloiai and sign Joe O, it doesn't seem like one or the other.

Wo cares if its one of the other, get some cash and let Aloiai go.

 

[cochise]

Will Joe O sit in our cap at full freight even if the Broncos pay him part of his salary?

No

 

[cochise]

I say again.

Did eels release Stefano???

Josh is free to go where he wants in 2022.

Until.then..... This is a test of.the tigers management strength.

I agree. The question is do we need him next year. Yes we do. He is a professional and he should be playing for us.

It's pretty simple to me. We have to start accepting this is the way players play the game. Unless we end up in a better situation then he should stay. I think we should have done the same thing with Matterson.

I think the NRL needs to manage this better. Contracts should be changed so that you can't sign contracts over 3 years or something like that unless the contract is top dollar. The problem is players are trying to get maximum dollars as soon as they can. They sign a contract and at the start they are overpaid. If they perform they may then get a bigger contract for their next contract as they are worth more money. The problem is they leave mid contract and our good deal disappears.

As I mentioned and also the Softlaw post on previous page:

Direct quote from the Pom, Signing & Suggestions thread, about half way down page 4327 :

**“Will be something in return just not in the form of player.”**

This isn't compensation. His comment there is also different from his comment that was after the one that you are referring too.

POM stated "Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)".

It sounds pretty clear cut to me.

Just say that you are correct. How is any compensation worth anything at all unless it is a player ? They can't give us additional cap dollars can they ? Say they give us a fee like the rorters gave Souths. Does that matter ? I don't see how it improves us.

Because it improves our bottom line.

Thanks. I get it. To me that is worthless. Sure if they gave us millions of dollars that'd be great but to me you'd be lucky to get a 25k cash payment.

I reckon Manly don't pay a thing. I'd definitely hold off giving them Aloiai. We may be able to use him to get Sironen. If we did this last season with Matterson we may have had Stef here all season.

The player we were after in a swap was Lucy. Manly can't really afford to give up a forward.

 

[earl]

I say again.

Did eels release Stefano???

Josh is free to go where he wants in 2022.

Until.then..... This is a test of.the tigers management strength.

I agree. The question is do we need him next year. Yes we do. He is a professional and he should be playing for us.

It's pretty simple to me. We have to start accepting this is the way players play the game. Unless we end up in a better situation then he should stay. I think we should have done the same thing with Matterson.

I think the NRL needs to manage this better. Contracts should be changed so that you can't sign contracts over 3 years or something like that unless the contract is top dollar. The problem is players are trying to get maximum dollars as soon as they can. They sign a contract and at the start they are overpaid. If they perform they may then get a bigger contract for their next contract as they are worth more money. The problem is they leave mid contract and our good deal disappears.

As I mentioned and also the Softlaw post on previous page:

Direct quote from the Pom, Signing & Suggestions thread, about half way down page 4327 :

**“Will be something in return just not in the form of player.”**

This isn't compensation. His comment there is also different from his comment that was after the one that you are referring too.

POM stated "Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)".

It sounds pretty clear cut to me.

Just say that you are correct. How is any compensation worth anything at all unless it is a player ? They can't give us additional cap dollars can they ? Say they give us a fee like the rorters gave Souths. Does that matter ? I don't see how it improves us.

Because it improves our bottom line.

Thanks. I get it. To me that is worthless. Sure if they gave us millions of dollars that'd be great but to me you'd be lucky to get a 25k cash payment.

I reckon Manly don't pay a thing. I'd definitely hold off giving them Aloiai. We may be able to use him to get Sironen. If we did this last season with Matterson we may have had Stef here all season.

The player we were after in a swap was Lucy. Manly can't really afford to give up a forward.

Every can be a winner here though. Garner and Aloiai to Manly for Siro. I reckon it's a good deal for both teams. We have to though get Siro on a good contract for us. They get two forwards who are young and pretty good. Garner has some talent. Aloiai is really good. They only lose one forward.

It'd work for us because it's a better balanced pack for us.

 

[cochise]

I say again.

Did eels release Stefano???

Josh is free to go where he wants in 2022.

Until.then..... This is a test of.the tigers management strength.

I agree. The question is do we need him next year. Yes we do. He is a professional and he should be playing for us.

It's pretty simple to me. We have to start accepting this is the way players play the game. Unless we end up in a better situation then he should stay. I think we should have done the same thing with Matterson.

I think the NRL needs to manage this better. Contracts should be changed so that you can't sign contracts over 3 years or something like that unless the contract is top dollar. The problem is players are trying to get maximum dollars as soon as they can. They sign a contract and at the start they are overpaid. If they perform they may then get a bigger contract for their next contract as they are worth more money. The problem is they leave mid contract and our good deal disappears.

As I mentioned and also the Softlaw post on previous page:

Direct quote from the Pom, Signing & Suggestions thread, about half way down page 4327 :

**“Will be something in return just not in the form of player.”**

This isn't compensation. His comment there is also different from his comment that was after the one that you are referring too.

POM stated "Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)".

It sounds pretty clear cut to me.

Just say that you are correct. How is any compensation worth anything at all unless it is a player ? They can't give us additional cap dollars can they ? Say they give us a fee like the rorters gave Souths. Does that matter ? I don't see how it improves us.

Because it improves our bottom line.

Thanks. I get it. To me that is worthless. Sure if they gave us millions of dollars that'd be great but to me you'd be lucky to get a 25k cash payment.

I reckon Manly don't pay a thing. I'd definitely hold off giving them Aloiai. We may be able to use him to get Sironen. If we did this last season with Matterson we may have had Stef here all season.

The player we were after in a swap was Lucy. Manly can't really afford to give up a forward.

Every can be a winner here though. Garner and Aloiai to Manly for Siro. I reckon it's a good deal for both teams. We have to though get Siro on a good contract for us. They get two forwards who are young and pretty good. Garner has some talent. Aloiai is really good. They only lose one forward.

It'd work for us because it's a better balanced pack for us.

That could work and is what The Pom basically said was the plan?

 

[earl]

I say again.

Did eels release Stefano???

Josh is free to go where he wants in 2022.

Until.then..... This is a test of.the tigers management strength.

I agree. The question is do we need him next year. Yes we do. He is a professional and he should be playing for us.

It's pretty simple to me. We have to start accepting this is the way players play the game. Unless we end up in a better situation then he should stay. I think we should have done the same thing with Matterson.

I think the NRL needs to manage this better. Contracts should be changed so that you can't sign contracts over 3 years or something like that unless the contract is top dollar. The problem is players are trying to get maximum dollars as soon as they can. They sign a contract and at the start they are overpaid. If they perform they may then get a bigger contract for their next contract as they are worth more money. The problem is they leave mid contract and our good deal disappears.

As I mentioned and also the Softlaw post on previous page:

Direct quote from the Pom, Signing & Suggestions thread, about half way down page 4327 :

**“Will be something in return just not in the form of player.”**

This isn't compensation. His comment there is also different from his comment that was after the one that you are referring too.

POM stated "Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)".

It sounds pretty clear cut to me.

Just say that you are correct. How is any compensation worth anything at all unless it is a player ? They can't give us additional cap dollars can they ? Say they give us a fee like the rorters gave Souths. Does that matter ? I don't see how it improves us.

Because it improves our bottom line.

Thanks. I get it. To me that is worthless. Sure if they gave us millions of dollars that'd be great but to me you'd be lucky to get a 25k cash payment.

I reckon Manly don't pay a thing. I'd definitely hold off giving them Aloiai. We may be able to use him to get Sironen. If we did this last season with Matterson we may have had Stef here all season.

The player we were after in a swap was Lucy. Manly can't really afford to give up a forward.

Every can be a winner here though. Garner and Aloiai to Manly for Siro. I reckon it's a good deal for both teams. We have to though get Siro on a good contract for us. They get two forwards who are young and pretty good. Garner has some talent. Aloiai is really good. They only lose one forward.

It'd work for us because it's a better balanced pack for us.

That could work and is what The Pom basically said was the plan?

If that plan comes off that is the best I think we can ask for. If we don't get that we should keep Aloiai.

 

[cochise]

I say again.

Did eels release Stefano???

Josh is free to go where he wants in 2022.

Until.then..... This is a test of.the tigers management strength.

I agree. The question is do we need him next year. Yes we do. He is a professional and he should be playing for us.

It's pretty simple to me. We have to start accepting this is the way players play the game. Unless we end up in a better situation then he should stay. I think we should have done the same thing with Matterson.

I think the NRL needs to manage this better. Contracts should be changed so that you can't sign contracts over 3 years or something like that unless the contract is top dollar. The problem is players are trying to get maximum dollars as soon as they can. They sign a contract and at the start they are overpaid. If they perform they may then get a bigger contract for their next contract as they are worth more money. The problem is they leave mid contract and our good deal disappears.

As I mentioned and also the Softlaw post on previous page:

Direct quote from the Pom, Signing & Suggestions thread, about half way down page 4327 :

**“Will be something in return just not in the form of player.”**

This isn't compensation. His comment there is also different from his comment that was after the one that you are referring too.

POM stated "Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)".

It sounds pretty clear cut to me.

Just say that you are correct. How is any compensation worth anything at all unless it is a player ? They can't give us additional cap dollars can they ? Say they give us a fee like the rorters gave Souths. Does that matter ? I don't see how it improves us.

Because it improves our bottom line.

Thanks. I get it. To me that is worthless. Sure if they gave us millions of dollars that'd be great but to me you'd be lucky to get a 25k cash payment.

I reckon Manly don't pay a thing. I'd definitely hold off giving them Aloiai. We may be able to use him to get Sironen. If we did this last season with Matterson we may have had Stef here all season.

The player we were after in a swap was Lucy. Manly can't really afford to give up a forward.

Every can be a winner here though. Garner and Aloiai to Manly for Siro. I reckon it's a good deal for both teams. We have to though get Siro on a good contract for us. They get two forwards who are young and pretty good. Garner has some talent. Aloiai is really good. They only lose one forward.

It'd work for us because it's a better balanced pack for us.

That could work and is what The Pom basically said was the plan?

If that plan comes off that is the best I think we can ask for. If we don't get that we should keep Aloiai.

I don't want him anywhere near the club, what's to stop him from spending all season trying to influence others to leave as well? Maybe Manly would like Lucy as well?

 

[earl]

I say again.

Did eels release Stefano???

Josh is free to go where he wants in 2022.

Until.then..... This is a test of.the tigers management strength.

I agree. The question is do we need him next year. Yes we do. He is a professional and he should be playing for us.

It's pretty simple to me. We have to start accepting this is the way players play the game. Unless we end up in a better situation then he should stay. I think we should have done the same thing with Matterson.

I think the NRL needs to manage this better. Contracts should be changed so that you can't sign contracts over 3 years or something like that unless the contract is top dollar. The problem is players are trying to get maximum dollars as soon as they can. They sign a contract and at the start they are overpaid. If they perform they may then get a bigger contract for their next contract as they are worth more money. The problem is they leave mid contract and our good deal disappears.

As I mentioned and also the Softlaw post on previous page:

Direct quote from the Pom, Signing & Suggestions thread, about half way down page 4327 :

**“Will be something in return just not in the form of player.”**

This isn't compensation. His comment there is also different from his comment that was after the one that you are referring too.

POM stated "Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)".

It sounds pretty clear cut to me.

Just say that you are correct. How is any compensation worth anything at all unless it is a player ? They can't give us additional cap dollars can they ? Say they give us a fee like the rorters gave Souths. Does that matter ? I don't see how it improves us.

Because it improves our bottom line.

Thanks. I get it. To me that is worthless. Sure if they gave us millions of dollars that'd be great but to me you'd be lucky to get a 25k cash payment.

I reckon Manly don't pay a thing. I'd definitely hold off giving them Aloiai. We may be able to use him to get Sironen. If we did this last season with Matterson we may have had Stef here all season.

The player we were after in a swap was Lucy. Manly can't really afford to give up a forward.

Every can be a winner here though. Garner and Aloiai to Manly for Siro. I reckon it's a good deal for both teams. We have to though get Siro on a good contract for us. They get two forwards who are young and pretty good. Garner has some talent. Aloiai is really good. They only lose one forward.

It'd work for us because it's a better balanced pack for us.

That could work and is what The Pom basically said was the plan?

If that plan comes off that is the best I think we can ask for. If we don't get that we should keep Aloiai.

I don't want him anywhere near the club, what's to stop him from spending all season trying to influence others to leave as well? Maybe Manly would like Lucy as well?

The problem is this is going to keep happening. JAC is the same situation. Steff last year for Manly. Laurie for Penrith. We've had two of our better players just up and leave mid contract because they've been offered better money. Steff and Laurie are coming here for better money. It's the way it works. Not every player gets released early although a lot do.

 

[cochise]

I say again.

Did eels release Stefano???

Josh is free to go where he wants in 2022.

Until.then..... This is a test of.the tigers management strength.

I agree. The question is do we need him next year. Yes we do. He is a professional and he should be playing for us.

It's pretty simple to me. We have to start accepting this is the way players play the game. Unless we end up in a better situation then he should stay. I think we should have done the same thing with Matterson.

I think the NRL needs to manage this better. Contracts should be changed so that you can't sign contracts over 3 years or something like that unless the contract is top dollar. The problem is players are trying to get maximum dollars as soon as they can. They sign a contract and at the start they are overpaid. If they perform they may then get a bigger contract for their next contract as they are worth more money. The problem is they leave mid contract and our good deal disappears.

As I mentioned and also the Softlaw post on previous page:

Direct quote from the Pom, Signing & Suggestions thread, about half way down page 4327 :

**“Will be something in return just not in the form of player.”**

This isn't compensation. His comment there is also different from his comment that was after the one that you are referring too.

POM stated "Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)".

It sounds pretty clear cut to me.

Just say that you are correct. How is any compensation worth anything at all unless it is a player ? They can't give us additional cap dollars can they ? Say they give us a fee like the rorters gave Souths. Does that matter ? I don't see how it improves us.

Because it improves our bottom line.

Thanks. I get it. To me that is worthless. Sure if they gave us millions of dollars that'd be great but to me you'd be lucky to get a 25k cash payment.

I reckon Manly don't pay a thing. I'd definitely hold off giving them Aloiai. We may be able to use him to get Sironen. If we did this last season with Matterson we may have had Stef here all season.

The player we were after in a swap was Lucy. Manly can't really afford to give up a forward.

Every can be a winner here though. Garner and Aloiai to Manly for Siro. I reckon it's a good deal for both teams. We have to though get Siro on a good contract for us. They get two forwards who are young and pretty good. Garner has some talent. Aloiai is really good. They only lose one forward.

It'd work for us because it's a better balanced pack for us.

That could work and is what The Pom basically said was the plan?

If that plan comes off that is the best I think we can ask for. If we don't get that we should keep Aloiai.

I don't want him anywhere near the club, what's to stop him from spending all season trying to influence others to leave as well? Maybe Manly would like Lucy as well?

The problem is this is going to keep happening. JAC is the same situation. Steff last year for Manly. Laurie for Penrith. We've had two of our better players just up and leave mid contract because they've been offered better money. Steff and Laurie are coming here for better money. It's the way it works. Not every player gets released early although a lot do.

Then NRL needs to fix the rules around this and our focus needs to be on ensuring that happens. I couldn't care less about what we do with Aloiai, I don't want him pocketing anymore money from the club.

 

[Masterton]

The two trades may be linked. Since manly can't give us any more cap space than what aloai is signed for, they may do it through the siro garner deal.

I have no idea, but it makes sense.

 

[Cairnstigers]

I say again.

Did eels release Stefano???

Josh is free to go where he wants in 2022.

Until.then..... This is a test of.the tigers management strength.

I agree. The question is do we need him next year. Yes we do. He is a professional and he should be playing for us.

It's pretty simple to me. We have to start accepting this is the way players play the game. Unless we end up in a better situation then he should stay. I think we should have done the same thing with Matterson.

I think the NRL needs to manage this better. Contracts should be changed so that you can't sign contracts over 3 years or something like that unless the contract is top dollar. The problem is players are trying to get maximum dollars as soon as they can. They sign a contract and at the start they are overpaid. If they perform they may then get a bigger contract for their next contract as they are worth more money. The problem is they leave mid contract and our good deal disappears.

As I mentioned and also the Softlaw post on previous page:

Direct quote from the Pom, Signing & Suggestions thread, about half way down page 4327 :

**“Will be something in return just not in the form of player.”**

This isn't compensation. His comment there is also different from his comment that was after the one that you are referring too.

POM stated "Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)".

It sounds pretty clear cut to me.

Just say that you are correct. How is any compensation worth anything at all unless it is a player ? They can't give us additional cap dollars can they ? Say they give us a fee like the rorters gave Souths. Does that matter ? I don't see how it improves us.

Because it improves our bottom line.

Thanks. I get it. To me that is worthless. Sure if they gave us millions of dollars that'd be great but to me you'd be lucky to get a 25k cash payment.

I reckon Manly don't pay a thing. I'd definitely hold off giving them Aloiai. We may be able to use him to get Sironen. If we did this last season with Matterson we may have had Stef here all season.

The player we were after in a swap was Lucy. Manly can't really afford to give up a forward.

They give a forward they get a forward
No give, no get
So they wouldn't be down a forward as they would receive one in return
The question is, who does Manly see as the more important player
Aloiai or the player we seek in return

 

[JC99]

The daily telegraph
Michael Carayannis

The Josh Aloiai saga is over with the representative prop to officially join the Sea Eagles this week.

Aloiai could be at Manly training as early as Monday with paperwork delaying the official announcement. It caps the end to a turbulent month for the 25-year-old who went from a potential Tigers captain to wanting out of the club he played 90 top grade games for. Aloiai will sign a three year deal with the Sea Eagles as their replacement for Addin Founa-Blake, who quit the club to join the Warriors.

An announcement could come as early as Sunday once the Tigers have the official release from Brisbane to secure Joe Ofahengaue. It is understood Ofahengaue’s deal with the Tigers is for two seasons and an option for the third. The Broncos will contribute about $200,000 for Ofahengaue – who had two years remaining on his contract – to play for the Tigers. Ofahengaue has already shown his hand by listing his social media profile as an “ex-Broncos player” and following the Wests Tigers on Instagram having unfollowed the Broncos earlier this month.

Aloiai has also recently started following Manly on Instagram.

The arrival of Ofahengaue avoids a potential embarrassing showdown between Aloiai and the Tigers. Aloiai was due to return to pre-season training with the rest of the Tigers squad on Monday and had been warned he faced being fined if he skipped the planned session. He was told he would have to mow the grass at Leichhardt Oval or paint the dressing sheds if he did not want to fulfil his contract but the standoff won’t eventuate with the Samoan international now a Sea Eagle.

The saga sets up a blockbuster round seven showdown between the two club’s on Anzac Day at Bankwest Stadium.

A planned player swap between Luke Garner and Curtis Sironen is now unlikely to eventuate although the Sea Eagles remain keen on Garner’s services for 2022 and beyond. Sironen is off-contract at the end of the season.

 

[JD Tiger]

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

We aren't getting compensated at this point. Compensation would require Manly giving us something in return for releasing Aloiai. The proposed deal now is that we just get Aloiai off our books and therefore we sign someone else.

We did the same thing with Matterson and it allowed us to sign AD and LL.

My opinion is that we should have kept Matterson and we should keep Aloiai. These guys were our best forwards and close to best players in their last season with us. It just seems stupid to release quality players because they spit the dummy.

We should be compensated but I think the writing is on the wall in that we sign JO and release JA.

Quoting what the POM said - obviously you have another source.

I'm quoting the POM as well. His last post stated:-

Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)
Garner for Sironen (pending terms)

I could be wrong but that to me is exactly as I stated which is no benefit to us at all. We just lose his contract from our books. I don't think Manly can give us extra dollars for our salary cap. They could pay a player who is playing for us this season but I can't see that happening.

If you have another source that says something different or my understanding is incorrect let us know.

Depends what "essentially Joe" means, if they are paying compensation that covers his wage next year then it is not getting nothing.

How could compensation paid through cash pay for Joe O when his salary comes out of the salary cap?

Because cash is cash and if it improve our bottom line its still compensation worth having. His pay comes out of Wests Tigers funds, its not like the Salary Cap is someone else's money, the cap just limits how much of our money we are allowed to spend on players.

Whatever 'cash' we get, it's got nothing to do with our signing of Joe O. We need salary cap space and a position in the squad to sign him, we already have the position in the squad, and considering we were chasing JAC and surely had a glimmer of hope for Grant, we had the salary cap space for Joe O.

From what I've read, we could retain Josh Aloiai and sign Joe O, it doesn't seem like one or the other.

Wo cares if its one of the other, get some cash and let Aloiai go.

It just irks me that these players throw their little tantrums like three year olds and get away with it.

I know it's not just us, Storm were in danger of losing JAC, Saab wanted out of Dragons, Manly lost their prop, Sharks lost Morris to Roosters, Souths lost that young kid to Roosters, but also Roosters even lost Mitchell.

You've expressed a few times that it is the NRL that need to do something, and I think that you are right. I was hoping in our case WT could be tough, sit the bludger in Reserves for a while, until the media kicks up so much of a stink that then the NRL is pressured in doing something then.

 

[cochise]

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

We aren't getting compensated at this point. Compensation would require Manly giving us something in return for releasing Aloiai. The proposed deal now is that we just get Aloiai off our books and therefore we sign someone else.

We did the same thing with Matterson and it allowed us to sign AD and LL.

My opinion is that we should have kept Matterson and we should keep Aloiai. These guys were our best forwards and close to best players in their last season with us. It just seems stupid to release quality players because they spit the dummy.

We should be compensated but I think the writing is on the wall in that we sign JO and release JA.

Quoting what the POM said - obviously you have another source.

I'm quoting the POM as well. His last post stated:-

Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)
Garner for Sironen (pending terms)

I could be wrong but that to me is exactly as I stated which is no benefit to us at all. We just lose his contract from our books. I don't think Manly can give us extra dollars for our salary cap. They could pay a player who is playing for us this season but I can't see that happening.

If you have another source that says something different or my understanding is incorrect let us know.

Depends what "essentially Joe" means, if they are paying compensation that covers his wage next year then it is not getting nothing.

How could compensation paid through cash pay for Joe O when his salary comes out of the salary cap?

Because cash is cash and if it improve our bottom line its still compensation worth having. His pay comes out of Wests Tigers funds, its not like the Salary Cap is someone else's money, the cap just limits how much of our money we are allowed to spend on players.

Whatever 'cash' we get, it's got nothing to do with our signing of Joe O. We need salary cap space and a position in the squad to sign him, we already have the position in the squad, and considering we were chasing JAC and surely had a glimmer of hope for Grant, we had the salary cap space for Joe O.

From what I've read, we could retain Josh Aloiai and sign Joe O, it doesn't seem like one or the other.

Wo cares if its one of the other, get some cash and let Aloiai go.

It just irks me that these players throw their little tantrums like three year olds and get away with it.

I know it's not just us, Storm were in danger of losing JAC, Saab wanted out of Dragons, Manly lost their prop, Sharks lost Morris to Roosters, Souths lost that young kid to Roosters, but also Roosters even lost Mitchell.

You've expressed a few times that it is the NRL that need to do something, and I think that you are right. I was hoping in our case WT could be tough, sit the bludger in Reserves for a while, until the media kicks up so much of a stink that then the NRL is pressured in doing something then.

Problem is we already have Reynolds and Packer as reserve graders, just too much money sitting in reserves. Let him go and give the money to someone who wants to be here and then set about fixing the rules.