America - Gun Control

Guns are huge business in USA. Money talks

They love their rights to bear arms.ingrained in their culture and beliefs.

17000 Americans lose the lives to gun crime each and every year so 58 is a small drop in the ocean.

ARA holds so much power and influence and is reported to be one of Trumps largest political donators.

No matter what happens and there will be more mass shootings, nothing will ever change in USA.

Blessed to live in the lucky nation.
 
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Read an article yesterday about a man who was stabbed to death in Sydney, he was stabbed while waiting for a bus. The perpetrator of the crime is a mentally ill man, the attack was random, the weapon was a knife. He spotted the victim from his window.

Bystanders disarmed the attacker with a kick and he was arrested. Sad that an innocent man lost his life.

How many may have died if the killer had easy access to semi automatic weapons?

How many bystanders would have rushed to help?

I struggle to understand why any person would want to arm them selves so heavily and why any person would argue that arming yourself so heavily is necessary.

We will never know. Just as we will never know what would have happened if one of the bystanders were themselves armed. Maybe no-one would have died. Who can say.

Was the "mentally ill man" in a mental hospital? Was he living freely in our society even though he was mentally ill?

Who said he was mentally ill? How do they know?

Speculation, speculation. It never ends.

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The judgment has been published now - R v Cahill [2017] NSWSC 1408\. His history of psychosis is outlined in part at [105]-[107]:

_Both Dr Martin and Dr Furst gave oral evidence in the hearing before me. Dr Furst confirmed (at T13.9) that he had been involved in cases relating to the accused for a number of years. He also confirmed (at T13.32) that the accused's mental health records dated back to 2006 and recorded the onset of psychotic symptoms at that time which were subsequently diagnosed as schizophrenia. Dr Furst confirmed (commencing at T14.34) the nature of a schizophrenic illness and its severity. He also confirmed (commencing at T14.41) that a schizophrenic illness is often characterised by a combination of different factors, including delusional beliefs, auditory hallucinations, disorder of thought, disorder of thought form, difficulties in processing information, and prominent mood symptoms.\
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Importantly (at T15.12) Dr Furst said:\
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"…I should clarify in the case of Mr Cahill that, he has a more severe illness compared to most people with schizophrenia, so he's on the severe end of the spectrum, and his illness has also been treatment resistant which means failing to respond to two different classes of antipsychotic medication in a reasonable timeframe, and hence the reason for treatment with the Clozapine medication, That’s C-l-o-z-a-p-i-n-e. So he’s, although that general description of schizophrenia is accurate, Mr Cahill is on the more extreme end of the illness."\
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Doctor Furst also expressed the view (at T15.46) that he suspected that the accused would always suffer from deficits of the kind that he had described, even when taking medication._
 
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Killing is OK…Murder is not...OK..Gotchya
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Yep.

If someone tries to take your life, you can fight back and potentially kill that person.

But you can't murder someone in a premeditated fashion.

That's the distinction.
 
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Killing is OK…Murder is not...OK..Gotchya

Yep.

If someone tries to take your life, you can fight back and potentially kill that person.

But you can't murder someone in a premeditated fashion.

That's the distinction.
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It's apparrently also ok to kill people if you don't like their religion and want to reclaim your "holy land".
 
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Killing is OK…Murder is not...OK..Gotchya

Yep.

If someone tries to take your life, you can fight back and potentially kill that person.

But you can't murder someone in a premeditated fashion.

That's the distinction.

It's apparrently also ok to kill people if you don't like their religion and want to reclaim your "holy land".
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So if you have a cause or crusade..we good… :crazy
 
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Killing is OK…Murder is not...OK..Gotchya

Yep.

If someone tries to take your life, you can fight back and potentially kill that person.

But you can't murder someone in a premeditated fashion.

That's the distinction.
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But there is God-sanctioned killing in the Bible not just in reclaiming "holy land" but in invading foreign territory such as the Promised Land by the Israelites! Also we have no qualms about the unprovoked killing and weapons used to deprive Australian Aborigines of their land. So what moral values (about evil) do we really have or are they only relative to time, place and demography. We know how we feel when other richer footie teams get unfair advantage over the Tigers in TPAs etc. and ref decisions.
 
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A few new members on this thread and others with many more posts than I have seen on anything league or sports related. Is this a real discussion of personal opinions, or are there some determined to push their political agenda
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Duh! What do you think?

:roll :roll
 
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A few new members on this thread and others with many more posts than I have seen on anything league or sports related. Is this a real discussion of personal opinions, or are there some determined to push their political agenda
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Well stryker, as we have agree earlier we can't stand soccer and AFL so what other sport is there to discuss. It is now the dry season but soon the World Cup will get us back on field. Having stayed loyal to the magpies for 30 years I just backed off being finely tuned to RL as can be expected.
 
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Killing is OK…Murder is not...OK..Gotchya

Yep.

If someone tries to take your life, you can fight back and potentially kill that person.

But you can't murder someone in a premeditated fashion.

That's the distinction.

But there is God-sanctioned killing in the Bible not just in reclaiming "holy land" but in invading foreign territory such as the Promised Land by the Israelites! Also we have no qualms about the unprovoked killing and weapons used to deprive Australian Aborigines of their land. So what moral values (about evil) do we really have or are they only relative to time, place and demography. We know how we feel when other richer footie teams get unfair advantage over the Tigers in TPAs etc. and ref decisions.
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We did not do that, your beef is with the Poms. Go talk to them.
 
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New headline needed
How about " vehicle control ".
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All those gun carrying lunatics missed their chance to shoot the driver, maybe everyone over in the USA should carry automatic weapons that should fix the terrorists and make it safer over there :crazy
 
I give up. Hard to get any sense from a know it all.

Listen up. One more time. Dead is dead. If you are shot with a firearm, stabbed with a knife or run down by a motor vehicle. You are still dead.
 
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I give up. Hard to get any sense from a know it all.

Listen up. One more time. Dead is dead. If you are shot with a firearm, stabbed with a knife or run down by a motor vehicle. You are still dead.
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In a confined area too much flatulence will also do the trick - so do you equate flatulence with guns?
 
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I give up. Hard to get any sense from a know it all.

Listen up. One more time. Dead is dead. If you are shot with a firearm, stabbed with a knife or run down by a motor vehicle. You are still dead.
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I also give up, hard to get any sense from someone who uses straw men arguments.

People were killed by suffocation, beaten to death in fights and bludgeoned to death with hammers. Plastic bags aren't designed to suffocate, hands are an evolutionary tool to grip things and hammers are meant to belt nails into timber. They are not implements of death like firearms.

You can spin it with hyperbole all you like Col, it's not the same thing just because one person utilises something other than what it's for. Until 13,000 people have been murdered with vehicles in one year your argument is rubbish.
 
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