Article in the Australian - WT Salary Cap Problems
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supercoach
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So the way I see it things are pretty bleak. Another two years of having a team on struggle street will translate into a lot of things
1–--The players are going to be really down and those who can walk will probably walk after possible three years at the bottom
2---Memberships and attracting new supporters to our club will be at a all time low, people love winners and except for a small core of diehard supporters like us the rest are very very fickle and once you lose them it takes a miracle to get them back
3---Your revenue streams dry up due to lack of memberships,merchandising and sponsorships, once again people like winners
4---If we ever do come out of the hole, attracting new players becomes near impossible as you have to pay way over the odds to get a player to come to a team near the bottom and lets face it the marquee players usually stay put or move to a top club, its only the next level down that you may get lucky with.
5-- Attracting a top line coach is impossible because they will not risk their reputation on club that can afford a decent roster
6--Constant losing will create a negative vibe right through the club.
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Anyway not trying to the master of doom but I think we are in big trouble and I still think the club thinks that the likes of Brooks,Moses and Siro will carry us through these bad times and will will steadily improve till 2017, and than be in a position to recruit, but on what I have seen this year that will not happen without surrounding them with some new quality players.
Of course the other question you must ask is, are we being soften up for something bigger, like a relocation or another merger. Its hard to have much faith in anything that comes out the club these days as it is always negative (bit like my posts!!!!)
1–--The players are going to be really down and those who can walk will probably walk after possible three years at the bottom
2---Memberships and attracting new supporters to our club will be at a all time low, people love winners and except for a small core of diehard supporters like us the rest are very very fickle and once you lose them it takes a miracle to get them back
3---Your revenue streams dry up due to lack of memberships,merchandising and sponsorships, once again people like winners
4---If we ever do come out of the hole, attracting new players becomes near impossible as you have to pay way over the odds to get a player to come to a team near the bottom and lets face it the marquee players usually stay put or move to a top club, its only the next level down that you may get lucky with.
5-- Attracting a top line coach is impossible because they will not risk their reputation on club that can afford a decent roster
6--Constant losing will create a negative vibe right through the club.
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Anyway not trying to the master of doom but I think we are in big trouble and I still think the club thinks that the likes of Brooks,Moses and Siro will carry us through these bad times and will will steadily improve till 2017, and than be in a position to recruit, but on what I have seen this year that will not happen without surrounding them with some new quality players.
Of course the other question you must ask is, are we being soften up for something bigger, like a relocation or another merger. Its hard to have much faith in anything that comes out the club these days as it is always negative (bit like my posts!!!!)
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Tiger_In_The_Gong
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@supercoach said:
Thats the only logical way to look at it.
The best we can hope for is a couple of seasons finishing between 9th and 12th but even then its going to be a very difficult rebuild.
That will be a 5 or 6 year period of not making the 8.
I get the need for optimism and the belief we are doing the right thing for the long term future but i just dont see it myself.
goldcoast_tiger
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@Tiger In The Gong said:
After thinking about the news fromMarina yesterday, I believe that she has( for whatever reason), set back our chances of decent recruitment for more than another three years.
While forum members have been screaming ( and rightly so) about the performance of the club administration. To have the board come out publicly and say that. Is bound to put the tremors through every player and player agent in the business.
We have virtually, told everyone that we will be bottom four , for at least the next three years, and unless we are going to Morph into the Broncos or the Roosters straight after that, we may still have years to go before we are even competitive.
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SC, your points 4and 5 point that out as well, including the problems in attracting a good Coach. Even after Taylor's contract is up at the end of 2017\. What good coach will want to touch us?
The more I think about it, I am more amazed that anyone would have gone that far with her statement.
It's plain to see that we can't rely on our juniors to get us through the three or four
Or more years, that will be needed, and it's a good chance that the ones we do need , won't be hanging around for long anyway.
Players that would definetly have stayed here, , would have to be thinking about whether there's anything on the positive side of wasting their time here.
Those established players would definetly get equal or better money elsewhere, and better coaching and conditions.
I was one who didn't share some of the doubts about having the NRL running this club,
But the longer it goes on the more I'm convinced that there's more to it than what Marinas statement covered yesterday,
It don't smell right.
No wonder we are losing our players. I shouldn't think most of them would want to wait around to see what's going to happen in 2/3 years time.
Maybe we can put up with this but I don't think the players will. I have been pretty depressed about what's going on at our beloved club for the past few years and hearing that the salary cap issue is quite bad does not give me too much confidence in the short term anyway. :crazy
I just hope the players hang in there like we are 😛ray: 😛ray: :sign:
Maybe we can put up with this but I don't think the players will. I have been pretty depressed about what's going on at our beloved club for the past few years and hearing that the salary cap issue is quite bad does not give me too much confidence in the short term anyway. :crazy
I just hope the players hang in there like we are 😛ray: 😛ray: :sign:
balmain boy
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Does no-one think that past management also includes Mayer? He inherited a team full of back ended contracts, the only way he could sign/re-sign players was by also back ending contracts, hence the cycle has continued until this season..!
Shaneandmaddy
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The Wests Tigers chairperson is hand chosen by Dave Smith
Maybe they are working towards a common goal, making the Tigers dispensable to enhance relocation prospects
Maybe they are working towards a common goal, making the Tigers dispensable to enhance relocation prospects
tsjonathan
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Tim Sheens?
foreveratiger
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No wonder it took many Months to get a deal over the line with Tedesco.
He always stated he wanted to stay but we just couldn't balance the books and offer him a decent deal to keep him, well we did in the end but I'm assuming he took less money and stayed loyal.
He always stated he wanted to stay but we just couldn't balance the books and offer him a decent deal to keep him, well we did in the end but I'm assuming he took less money and stayed loyal.
Parramatta seem to be still at it;
Hayne still on Eels' books:
07:12 AEST Wed Jul 15 2015
Jarryd Hayne is reportedly still on Parramatta's books even though the former star left the club at the end of last season to pursue an NFL career in the US. The Eels are paying the two-time Dally M medallist at least $50,000 this year which doesn't count towards the club's salary cap, according to Fairfax Media, who said the anomaly was uncovered as part of routine reporting. Hayne was released from the last year of his contract last October to chase his American football dream, and subsequently signed with the San Francisco 49ers.
Parramatta have endured a turbulent time amid the departure of CEO Scott Seward and being fined $525,000 by the NRL for a raft of salary cap breaches last season.
Hayne still on Eels' books:
07:12 AEST Wed Jul 15 2015
Jarryd Hayne is reportedly still on Parramatta's books even though the former star left the club at the end of last season to pursue an NFL career in the US. The Eels are paying the two-time Dally M medallist at least $50,000 this year which doesn't count towards the club's salary cap, according to Fairfax Media, who said the anomaly was uncovered as part of routine reporting. Hayne was released from the last year of his contract last October to chase his American football dream, and subsequently signed with the San Francisco 49ers.
Parramatta have endured a turbulent time amid the departure of CEO Scott Seward and being fined $525,000 by the NRL for a raft of salary cap breaches last season.
@Shaneandmaddy said:
Spot On. They are hedging their bets as we will have a restructure if Balmain defaults.
Everything is on hold until next year.
They won't admit it but we have no cash, no player will sign with us and they don't want to embarrass themselves. I actually feel for the current management we are stuck until Balmain are Financial or WESTS takeover.
I just can't cop the Salary Cap Excuse we don't have many players on the books signed by the previous board that are high profile. Only farah, Galloway and Lawrence.
goldcoast_tiger
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@westy81 said:
Yes , I think that this latest statement poses a lot of questions and not many answers that make sense.
balmain boy
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@goldcoast tiger said:
Only one's of those we're still paying for would be Blair and Brown. BMM slight chance. We never even signed Takaraingi…
The names you're looking for are most likely Farah, Lawrence, Galloway, Moltzen, Woods, Tedesco, Brooks, Moses.
It's not WHO we're paying out that's the problem, it's WHEN we're paying out that's the problem! Who knows maybe Farah was on comparative peanuts for a year or two but on 1.5 million for the next 2 seasons. Or Woodsy on 200k one year and 800k the next which blocks up the cap in the future when multiple players are paid well over a season's regular salary at the same time.
That's (hopefully) an over-exaggeration of the scenario we're facing.
cochise
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@Balmain Boy said:
I believe that is the exact situation we are facing.
clontarfkid
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Frankly,and im probably on my own here,by coming out in public and declaring WT as a "basket case" for the next 3 years is not particularly astute.
Not only wld it deter fringe(ie cheap) players who we may have been able to buy,but it truly demotivates our better players (tapua)and gives them no incentive wotsover to stick around.Totally self fulfilling.Downward spiral to accelerate.
My personal jury on NRLs fly-in Board members is still well and truly out tbh-all weve seen so far is a public rant on why clubs" need more women on Boards"(with HQ hand up their back),another public rant on journanlist info sourcing(best to have left alone rather than elevate issue awareness)..and now this(and with The Australian. of all media.?)
What I am looking for from this Board is a strategy to deal with the problems inherited or otherwise,rather than just a hand wringing exercise.
Not only wld it deter fringe(ie cheap) players who we may have been able to buy,but it truly demotivates our better players (tapua)and gives them no incentive wotsover to stick around.Totally self fulfilling.Downward spiral to accelerate.
My personal jury on NRLs fly-in Board members is still well and truly out tbh-all weve seen so far is a public rant on why clubs" need more women on Boards"(with HQ hand up their back),another public rant on journanlist info sourcing(best to have left alone rather than elevate issue awareness)..and now this(and with The Australian. of all media.?)
What I am looking for from this Board is a strategy to deal with the problems inherited or otherwise,rather than just a hand wringing exercise.
