Me and the sport of boxing go way back. Having joined my first gym at 14, I trained and competed occasionally for years. I had a few bouts in the service and once that was over I still emerssed myself in the sport.I mucked around with Muay Thai a bit when living overseas but never loved it like I did boxing. By the time I hit 30 I could see the writing on the wall….boxing as a sport was a hurricane of sh#t. The fights were rigged, the fighters were soft.It was as corrupt a venture as could be imagined. Sure there was some tough boys out there having a go but the majority were crap and I kept asking myself why I was paying money to watch or fight in pre determined crap like this. Like a sucker I have kept coming back though and been kicked in the nads over and over again and that leads me to tonight. Everything about the Mundine Mosley fight was an embarrassment. The build up, the love in, Mosely hitting the skids over money-that prick isn't worth 10 bucks these days. The fight itself was a joke...not even worth mentioning. It's just another nail in boxings coffin. They are all just over paid, loudmouthed, wankers who pretend to fight each other in predetermined bouts. There is no sport in it any more ... Just money. I m ashamed to say I defended this garbage for so many years. Not much else to say really...Boxing is dead to me and I never thought I would say that and 100% mean it.
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Could not agree with Stryker more.
I could not see how they could orchestrate a Mundine win - but obviously boxing now has some of the WWE writers on board.
Boxing has just gone on a huge downward spiral the last 20 years.
As someone who grew up watching Ali , Frazier , Foreman , Marvin Hagler , Sugar Ray Leonard , Thomas Hearns etc it makes me sad to see it happen.
I sat ringside for all of the Jeff Fenech and Jeff Harding title fights (in Sydney) and after those times it seemed to go sour everywhere.
At least in WWE they don't REALLY pretend it's not just entertainment.
I could not see how they could orchestrate a Mundine win - but obviously boxing now has some of the WWE writers on board.
Boxing has just gone on a huge downward spiral the last 20 years.
As someone who grew up watching Ali , Frazier , Foreman , Marvin Hagler , Sugar Ray Leonard , Thomas Hearns etc it makes me sad to see it happen.
I sat ringside for all of the Jeff Fenech and Jeff Harding title fights (in Sydney) and after those times it seemed to go sour everywhere.
At least in WWE they don't REALLY pretend it's not just entertainment.
Glen_McWilliams
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I remember an interview in 2009 about the gloabal financial crisis with fromer World Banck Chief Economist Joseph Stiglitz. His great quote was "The biggest surprise was that people were surprised"
That's how I feel every time boxing throws up one of these farces.
That's how I feel every time boxing throws up one of these farces.
@Newtown said:
Anyone who pays money to watch a 42 year old and a 38 year old who are both clearly well passed their best deserve what they got dished up. It was pretty clear from the farce relating to the first attempt to have the bout that Mosley was only interested in a pay day. And Mundine is just obsessed with beating big names no matter how passed their prime they are. He just wants to be able to say 10 years from now that he beat Sugar Shane Mosely. And to hear him talking about fighting people like Mayweather just makes be laugh…
@cktiger said:
WWE understands what it is and presents itself with a tongue in cheek attitude.Although not my cup of tea whatsoever, I can appreciate that it is a winning formula and good luck to it.One of the funny things about wrestling is that some of the combatants are true warriors who are of have been world class fighters. Guys like Steve Blackman, Ken Shamrock, Dan Severn and Brock Lesnar were as dangerous an opponent in real life as you could get.
Boxing however has traditionally been a sport where one tested their skill, speed, fitness, timing, agility, endurance, balance, mental and physical toughness. If you were a boxing champion, you were not just a good fighter you were a complete athlete.Nowadays, you are a champion if you can draw a crowd and throw a good punch - irrespective of how many in return you can take. It was called the sweet science because it wasnt just about punching power or magnificent looking strikes, it was about getting inside your opponents head, predicting his movements and technique based on months of specific training and most importantly, faking him out and making him miss. Most people love a fight where both guys go to town on each other and compete in what is called a 'war'. The commentators proudly brag that opponent A threw 386 punches whilst opponent B threw 355\. What a load of crap! Thats not fighting, thats killing each other. We have seen 1000's of examples of this over the past couple of decades. Now boxing has hit a new low. Former champions are paid millions and wheeled out to face no name fighters…and lose. Green's fight with Roy Jones Jr was a diabolical sham. Mundines with Mosely an equal embarrassment. Anyone who knows boxing would know that even in advanced years of age, Roy and Shane would wipe the floor with these two Australians. That being said, anyone who put money on the two Americans knows nothing about how boxing works in this day and age. They were brought out here as big ticket draw cards to be beaten on Australian soil.
I am not just suggesting that boxing is rigged, I am gauranteeing it. It is run by crime syndacites and the players in the ring, in just about every sense, match those tough blokes who carry on like idiots for the WWE crowd. They are all puppets following a script for huge paycheques. There is very little to no sport left in the activity. If Roy and Shane took on Danny and Anthony in the carpark with no money or judging involved, than both Aussies would have been knocked out cold. Instead we see these two former greats put token efforts in for a couple of rounds, then go down with innocious injuries before talking sh#t the days after in a vain attempt to save face before going home with fat wallets to their mansions. Its a bloody disgrace.
Fade_To_Black
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@stryker said:
The greatest fights in history have been stand up, knock 'em down slugfests (Frazier/Ali Thrilla In Manila being the most famous one). That is what they are there to do, it is the name of the game. No-one wants to watch 2 blokes sizing each other up over 12 rounds, bobbing, weaving and feigning but not actually doing anything.
As for the statement that Roy Jones would easily beat Green in a carpark stoush, that is highly debatable. Without a doubt Green was nowhere near Jones Jnr's class when both were in their prime. However, Green seems like the sort of bloke that wouldn't take any s#*t whatsoever outside the ring and he is a pretty good at the dirty tactics that you need in a streetfight. Remember hearing the story of how Shannan Taylor beat the stuffing out of 6 blokes outside a pub years ago, he was pretty adept at the dirty stuff also, as was Kostya Tszyu when an opponent was stupid enough to try it on him first. Good 'ol Kostya was a legend.
As someone mentioned above, anyone that is gullible enough to watch any Mundine fight these days gets what they deserve, they are just a contrived circus from the moment that they are announced. You weren't silly enough to actually pay for that crap last night were you?
The thriller wasnt your garden variety slugfest mate. Ali beat Frazier with his brain.He wore the big lump out by goading him to hit as hard as he could. Frazier knocked up and then Ali sprang to life knock him out. That was boxing.
Yeah maybe Green might have had a slight edge through his kickboxing training which would have given him weapons that Jones didnt have.The point I was making was that both Roy and Mosley fought like dogs out here. Their hearts were not in it at all. It was just another payday which is an all too frequent event these days.
No I didnt pay for last night. I did watch it though down the club.
Yeah maybe Green might have had a slight edge through his kickboxing training which would have given him weapons that Jones didnt have.The point I was making was that both Roy and Mosley fought like dogs out here. Their hearts were not in it at all. It was just another payday which is an all too frequent event these days.
No I didnt pay for last night. I did watch it though down the club.
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@stryker said:
Stryker , you can't blame these blokes for taking one extra pay day
If some fool is ready to back them , well that's their fault
I think the thing that I do find strange though , is that they aren't concerned about the RJJ and SSM legacy
Losing to blokes like Mouthdine and Green , just drops them a notch as far as boxing echelon goes imo
But money is money though
Fade_To_Black
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@stryker said:
Think you are getting confused with the Ali/Foreman fight in Africa.
Ali/Frazier was fought in 40 degree celsius heat and Frazier's corner threw the towel to basically stop him from dying of heat exhaustion, he spent about a week in the hospital recovering after that fight.
Roy and Mosley fought like busted arses because they are at least 10 years past their prime and boxing will put you into retirement quicker than nearly any sport in the world.
Don't think Danny Green had any kickboxing experience did he?
But yeah, for all intents and purposes, boxing is dead. It is a great sport but 2 or 3 memorable fights a year just won't compete with UFC that matches it's best fighters head to head regularly. The so-called Superfight between Mayweather and Manny will only take place when both blokes are 50 years old or wearing diapers.
TurnStyle
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i think ftb is right re the rumble in the jungle being where ali used his famous 'rope a dope' to beat foreman in zaire (congo) in 74\. im pretty sure the thrilla in manilla was just both guys slugging it out as though they were in a fight from Rocky!
apart from all the problems regarding fights being fixed, etc., i think a huge reason the UFC has attracted so many fans is that in boxing there are so many federations, with so many weight classes, regional titles such as the one won by mundine. they even have 'super champions' now, so they have two 'champions' in the same division! its ridiculous.
added to that, only the WBC, WBA and then IBF titles have any sort of worth, but then there are still three.
the UFC is run so much better in that not only are there more distinct weight classes (ie; no 'super welterweight', 'junior middleweight') but because managers, etc., don't make the fights, fighters have no choice but to fight who and when they are told to by the UFC. and so often this involves a fighter getting injured close to fight time, so an alternate steps up and the fight still goes ahead. could you imagine this happening in boxing?!
i used to love boxing as well, and love to train for fitness. but it has been years since i actually looked forward to a fight.
i dont know what it is about boxing today? it seems too easy to make a comfortable living fighting nobodies like mundine has (by and large) and it seems only a small portion of pro boxers have the pride and hunger to be and beat the best that there used to be.
even mayweather is just the best defensive boxer ever and is boring to watch. he seems to be in the only division where the amount of money in a mayweather fight means anyone will fight him, but i dont remember him ever being in an exciting fight.
its dying a slow painful death, and it all comes down to money; they have created a paradigm for boxing that is pure and simply all about making (note: not _earning_) money.
apart from all the problems regarding fights being fixed, etc., i think a huge reason the UFC has attracted so many fans is that in boxing there are so many federations, with so many weight classes, regional titles such as the one won by mundine. they even have 'super champions' now, so they have two 'champions' in the same division! its ridiculous.
added to that, only the WBC, WBA and then IBF titles have any sort of worth, but then there are still three.
the UFC is run so much better in that not only are there more distinct weight classes (ie; no 'super welterweight', 'junior middleweight') but because managers, etc., don't make the fights, fighters have no choice but to fight who and when they are told to by the UFC. and so often this involves a fighter getting injured close to fight time, so an alternate steps up and the fight still goes ahead. could you imagine this happening in boxing?!
i used to love boxing as well, and love to train for fitness. but it has been years since i actually looked forward to a fight.
i dont know what it is about boxing today? it seems too easy to make a comfortable living fighting nobodies like mundine has (by and large) and it seems only a small portion of pro boxers have the pride and hunger to be and beat the best that there used to be.
even mayweather is just the best defensive boxer ever and is boring to watch. he seems to be in the only division where the amount of money in a mayweather fight means anyone will fight him, but i dont remember him ever being in an exciting fight.
its dying a slow painful death, and it all comes down to money; they have created a paradigm for boxing that is pure and simply all about making (note: not _earning_) money.
TurnStyle
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thought id post this from foxsports:
NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell must call an urgent inquiry into the NSW Combat Authority.
They are either corrupt or incompetent.
Nobody is quite sure how Wednesday night's fight ended, but hundreds of thousands of dollars were bet on the result _ with Government approval _ while Australian boxing's reputation was on the line, not to mention the health and safety of several undercard fighters.
The fight card was riddled with mismatches, yet the Authority allowed the fights to go ahead.
Only one fight was cancelled and that was after a concerned boxing fan rang the NSW Combat Authority to complain of the mismatches.
He was ignored, so he called authorities in Victoria where one fighter was registered and the Victorian officials were so concerned they withdrew his clearance.
All other fighters, registered elsewhere, were allowed to fight.
And then there is the main event, when Shane Mosley retired due to a bad back against Anthony Mundine.
2SM's Talkin' Sport's Graeme Hughes called up Dr Lou Lewis on Thursday, the doctor that ruled Mosley unfit to continue in Wednesday night's loss to Anthony Mundine. Or maybe he didn't.
Dr Lewis admitted that he might not have touched Mosley's back before calling off the fight, but said that he could tell from his "experience" as a doctor that he could see Mosley was injured.
"It was completely knotted," he said.
Then Jeff Fenech called in during Dr Lewis's interview.
"I'm not sure what doctor you're speaking to," Fenech said. "They're not the words that Dr Lou Lewis told me this morning. They're totally different."
Dr Lewis was "stunned".
"I called the fight off," he said.
"You didn't say that to me, Dr Lou," Fenech said.
"You said 'Jeff, I wasn't even allowed to touch his back. You know what boxing is like, Jeff'. Those were your exact words."
"Jeff, I think there was a misunderstanding, I'm not sure," Dr Lewis said.
Hughes then said, "My memory was that [the referee] waved the fight away before you touched his back."
Fenech then asked Dr Lewis if it was right that the referee, Raul Caiz Jr, told the doctor that Mosley was unfit to continue.
"His words were from memory," Hughes said, "when you got into the ring, I think he said to you, 'I'm going to have to call it off'."
"And I didn't disagree with that," Dr Lewis said.
"Yes, but he shouldn't be saying that to you before you gave your assessment," Hughes said.
"He's got the right to say that," Dr Lewis said.
"But hang on Lou," Hughes said. "You said [earlier] you know the difference because you're a doctor."
"That's right, yes," Dr Lewis said.
"Well he's not a doctor," Hughes said.
"No, that's right. But the referee doesn't have to do a medical. If he feels the fight has to be stopped, we stop the fight."
Hughes then asked Dr Lewis why even bother to get in the ring at all, if the referee had already made the decision and a doctor's opinion wasn't needed?
All this, and not even a boo from the Authority.
Final word goes to Mundine, who elsewhere around the dial told Triple M that Mosley "didn't [This word has been automatically removed] out but he punked out".
Mundine said he didn't stop Mosley, but did something better. "I forced him to quit."
Anyone for a refund?
NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell must call an urgent inquiry into the NSW Combat Authority.
They are either corrupt or incompetent.
Nobody is quite sure how Wednesday night's fight ended, but hundreds of thousands of dollars were bet on the result _ with Government approval _ while Australian boxing's reputation was on the line, not to mention the health and safety of several undercard fighters.
The fight card was riddled with mismatches, yet the Authority allowed the fights to go ahead.
Only one fight was cancelled and that was after a concerned boxing fan rang the NSW Combat Authority to complain of the mismatches.
He was ignored, so he called authorities in Victoria where one fighter was registered and the Victorian officials were so concerned they withdrew his clearance.
All other fighters, registered elsewhere, were allowed to fight.
And then there is the main event, when Shane Mosley retired due to a bad back against Anthony Mundine.
2SM's Talkin' Sport's Graeme Hughes called up Dr Lou Lewis on Thursday, the doctor that ruled Mosley unfit to continue in Wednesday night's loss to Anthony Mundine. Or maybe he didn't.
Dr Lewis admitted that he might not have touched Mosley's back before calling off the fight, but said that he could tell from his "experience" as a doctor that he could see Mosley was injured.
"It was completely knotted," he said.
Then Jeff Fenech called in during Dr Lewis's interview.
"I'm not sure what doctor you're speaking to," Fenech said. "They're not the words that Dr Lou Lewis told me this morning. They're totally different."
Dr Lewis was "stunned".
"I called the fight off," he said.
"You didn't say that to me, Dr Lou," Fenech said.
"You said 'Jeff, I wasn't even allowed to touch his back. You know what boxing is like, Jeff'. Those were your exact words."
"Jeff, I think there was a misunderstanding, I'm not sure," Dr Lewis said.
Hughes then said, "My memory was that [the referee] waved the fight away before you touched his back."
Fenech then asked Dr Lewis if it was right that the referee, Raul Caiz Jr, told the doctor that Mosley was unfit to continue.
"His words were from memory," Hughes said, "when you got into the ring, I think he said to you, 'I'm going to have to call it off'."
"And I didn't disagree with that," Dr Lewis said.
"Yes, but he shouldn't be saying that to you before you gave your assessment," Hughes said.
"He's got the right to say that," Dr Lewis said.
"But hang on Lou," Hughes said. "You said [earlier] you know the difference because you're a doctor."
"That's right, yes," Dr Lewis said.
"Well he's not a doctor," Hughes said.
"No, that's right. But the referee doesn't have to do a medical. If he feels the fight has to be stopped, we stop the fight."
Hughes then asked Dr Lewis why even bother to get in the ring at all, if the referee had already made the decision and a doctor's opinion wasn't needed?
All this, and not even a boo from the Authority.
Final word goes to Mundine, who elsewhere around the dial told Triple M that Mosley "didn't [This word has been automatically removed] out but he punked out".
Mundine said he didn't stop Mosley, but did something better. "I forced him to quit."
Anyone for a refund?
@Fade To Black said:
Yes you are right. I was thinking of the Congo fight.
Both fighters were older but they still had wins previous and had shown they could still deal with it. They both threw their fights out here IMO.
Green was a kickboxer before he settled on boxing as a career.
Easy_Tiger
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I disagree Boxing does need to clean its act up including in Australia,… But it still sells out huge stadiums like MGM grand & Mayweather v Canelo sold 2.2 million pay per view sales also Pacquiao makes approx 40 million every fight & Mayweather signed a contract for his last 5 fight for a guaranteed 200 million he's the highest paid sportsman in the world. There's still a lot to like about boxing.
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TurnStyle
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ha ha… apt user avatar for this thread easy! :slight_smile:
im just speaking from my point of view, but apart from mayweather knocking that guy out when he was looking at the ref there has been little to really get me excited about in his bouts. defensive genius and great counter puncher, but i havent really enjoyed them.
i agree though with pacquiao, you always do get a great fight, and he has fought at cowboy stadium as well... awesome.
what boxing needs is this fight (pacman mayweather) to happen, and for it to be a classic harking back to the ali, foreman, frazier, norton days.
having said that, your point is very valid. but as for australian boxing, well that card on wednesday night was an absolute joke. how can they expect fans to stick with it when we have debacles like mosely barely able to move, not to mention greens fight against.... whatsisname?... was is tarver who went down to a scrape on the top of the head?
have to admit i did like the sonny bill vs botha fight... but even that turned out a huge controversy being shortened mid bout.
as an aussie, i like a good sportsman like daniel geale and hope he can get to a big bout soon. also, alex leapai just beat the number one ranked heavyweight, so maybe he will rekindle the flame in australia? hopefully if he gets a title fight it wont go down the same way as lewis v tua!
still, im sure there are a lot of people like me who in the last 10 years have pretty much left boxing for the ufc.... i miss the days of del la hoya v mosely, bowe v holyfield, and going back as far as i do with boxing, sugar ray leonard and hagler, hearns.... those were the days! for me, anyway :wink:
im just speaking from my point of view, but apart from mayweather knocking that guy out when he was looking at the ref there has been little to really get me excited about in his bouts. defensive genius and great counter puncher, but i havent really enjoyed them.
i agree though with pacquiao, you always do get a great fight, and he has fought at cowboy stadium as well... awesome.
what boxing needs is this fight (pacman mayweather) to happen, and for it to be a classic harking back to the ali, foreman, frazier, norton days.
having said that, your point is very valid. but as for australian boxing, well that card on wednesday night was an absolute joke. how can they expect fans to stick with it when we have debacles like mosely barely able to move, not to mention greens fight against.... whatsisname?... was is tarver who went down to a scrape on the top of the head?
have to admit i did like the sonny bill vs botha fight... but even that turned out a huge controversy being shortened mid bout.
as an aussie, i like a good sportsman like daniel geale and hope he can get to a big bout soon. also, alex leapai just beat the number one ranked heavyweight, so maybe he will rekindle the flame in australia? hopefully if he gets a title fight it wont go down the same way as lewis v tua!
still, im sure there are a lot of people like me who in the last 10 years have pretty much left boxing for the ufc.... i miss the days of del la hoya v mosely, bowe v holyfield, and going back as far as i do with boxing, sugar ray leonard and hagler, hearns.... those were the days! for me, anyway :wink:
Easy_Tiger
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Yeah they were good days but there's so many good fighters right now…. Provodnikov, Canelo, Marquez, Pacquiao, Golovkin , cotto, Bradley, our own Geale, Lucas Big daddy Browne, & Katsidis, is coming back he's an out & out warrior also don't forget Tszyu he was a beast. you think Boxings boring or dead? Watch Bradley v Provodnikov then Bradley had slurred speech for a month after that fight & remember Boxers can't rest & lay on a bloke when there tired they stay on there feet . Real men box :slight_smile:
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TurnStyle
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oooh, them's fighting words! :wink:
to enjoy mma i think you need to have a little knowledge of jui jitsu, otherwise i can see how it is boring. and yes, there are plenty of fights that turn into fizzers, but still, every single card is pretty much stacked these days and pretty much every card has a title on the line.
even if you arent into ufc, you would probably enjoy the gilbert melendez vs diego sanchez fight from ufc 166\. check it out - its a brutal slugfest!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvehytA98Ck
also, season 1 of the ultimate fighter finale, forrest griffin vs stephan bonnar… unbelieveable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXfyzBZzisQ
to enjoy mma i think you need to have a little knowledge of jui jitsu, otherwise i can see how it is boring. and yes, there are plenty of fights that turn into fizzers, but still, every single card is pretty much stacked these days and pretty much every card has a title on the line.
even if you arent into ufc, you would probably enjoy the gilbert melendez vs diego sanchez fight from ufc 166\. check it out - its a brutal slugfest!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvehytA98Ck
also, season 1 of the ultimate fighter finale, forrest griffin vs stephan bonnar… unbelieveable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXfyzBZzisQ
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