Brooks is no good

[matchball]

Round 21 v Gold Coast Titans..

when was the last one before that ?

Rd 20 V Manly..

2-3 forced line dropouts per half would be better …he's Rubbish

That's what I'm talking about. Every set we should be looking for a repeat set.
He should be a champion kicker that can make it sit up in goal on command.
I expect to see a repeat set attempt more than the usual bomb we see on the 5th. Im not understanding the whole game plan.

Bombs rarely get repeat sets.

 

[earl]

Next year we are going to have a running hooker, 2 running halves and a running fullback.
Its going to be like a headless chicken coup.

We might score a lot of points. How good would that be. Improved defence and non stop attack. I thought we'd be lucky to get a top 8 spot but now I can see a premiership.

 

[earl]

Is it too late to bring Moses back as half? Channel 7 news just posed the question "Is Moses the Messiah to lead Parra to the promised land?' All I can say is we're doomed to damnation for a long time. You don't reject a Saviour and get off lightly.

Well I can definitely state that getting rid of this cretin was a great moment for this club. I wish the guy the worst in life as well.

Honestly - what should the club do. Let players run the club into the ground.

 

[LCA]

I have a lot of faith in Brooks. But I am afraid that whilst he is quick on his feet, he is slow between the ears.

Wow, I never thought I would agree with a magpiecol comment, but I think he's nailed it here.

Brooks is just not all that bright. And, I don't mean in a football sense, I mean intellectually….his capacity to listen, reflect and learn.

He's got all the skills, just not the ability to know which skill is required at the time. I'm not sure how he becomes coachable in that regard.

 

[tig_prmz]

Kicking game aside, I thought he did well today.

the halfback earns his money on how he finishes the set though. that's his job and that has to be his talent.

he's getting better though. He doesn't know his teammates, too many times he's in the wrong spot or gives hospital passes. Needs way more awareness.

 

[stryker]

I have a lot of faith in Brooks. But I am afraid that whilst he is quick on his feet, he is slow between the ears.

Wow, I never thought I would agree with a magpiecol comment, but I think he's nailed it here.

Brooks is just not all that bright. And, I don't mean in a football sense, I mean intellectually….his capacity to listen, reflect and learn.

He's got all the skills, just not the ability to know which skill is required at the time. I'm not sure how he becomes coachable in that regard.

We have to take the complicated half duties from him and let him specialise in one area of his game to simplify matters. His game management, kicking and organisation is sub par. His running game and passing is good. We need to buy a halfback to do the boring stuff and just let him attack the line.

 

[TigerSJ]

not that my opinion really matters, but I'm going to offer it anyway.
yes Brooks needs to improve his leadership of the team as well as his 5th tackle options. there's no argument. As it is now he is basically the only real kicking option the team has on the field (Lolohea's kicking game at present is not a threat and I can't say I've seen either hooker kick at all- maybe Liddle once, and yes Teddy occasionally kicks, but generally only for himself) this enables the opposition to pressure Brooks without worrying about other kicking options. On top of this most last tackle options he is already under pressure from the forwards not having the defensive side on the back foot, thus it always seems like he has to rush his kicks or other plays. Yesterday most of his attacking kicking was done from outside the 30-40mtr make, how's he meant to grubber into the in goal from there, and for those that can't have been watching not all of his bombs/kicks went straight to the fullback/winger. Until the forwards start getting on top and we get another decent kicker to allow different options, which will put the opp defensive line in two minds, Brooks will always be under more pressure.
Add to this the coaching over the last two and bit years, did JT do anything to improve his game, I'd say no.
Will Luke turn his career round and show the promise he did as a junior, i hope so. Lets give a decent coach a chance to work with him (during the off season), a coach that we know can teach a halfback how to play, add to that an improved forward pack, a halves partner that can take some pressure off him and we'll see what happens. I can already see that his defence has improved along with his running game.
In regards to all the negative comments about him, why is it always the same posters? unhappy life?

I think you make some valid points here… as much as I think MM has had some strong games for us I believe that he has looked less likely in recent weeks and neither him nor Liddle have had the sort of impact that a top eight no.9 should have. There are some excellent DH's going around and their influence on a game should not be underestimated. Again I am going to say it, but I hope Tui is a better fullback than he is a 5/8\. Yes, he has a great step and turn of speed and he has improved in the last few weeks but still he is not a finals team 5/8 and has been little support to Brooks in the areas that everyone is bagging Brooks for (game control, decision making, kicking game, defence).

 

[newtiger]

not that my opinion really matters, but I'm going to offer it anyway.
yes Brooks needs to improve his leadership of the team as well as his 5th tackle options. there's no argument. As it is now he is basically the only real kicking option the team has on the field (Lolohea's kicking game at present is not a threat and I can't say I've seen either hooker kick at all- maybe Liddle once, and yes Teddy occasionally kicks, but generally only for himself) this enables the opposition to pressure Brooks without worrying about other kicking options. On top of this most last tackle options he is already under pressure from the forwards not having the defensive side on the back foot, thus it always seems like he has to rush his kicks or other plays. Yesterday most of his attacking kicking was done from outside the 30-40mtr make, how's he meant to grubber into the in goal from there, and for those that can't have been watching not all of his bombs/kicks went straight to the fullback/winger. Until the forwards start getting on top and we get another decent kicker to allow different options, which will put the opp defensive line in two minds, Brooks will always be under more pressure.
Add to this the coaching over the last two and bit years, did JT do anything to improve his game, I'd say no.
Will Luke turn his career round and show the promise he did as a junior, i hope so. Lets give a decent coach a chance to work with him (during the off season), a coach that we know can teach a halfback how to play, add to that an improved forward pack, a halves partner that can take some pressure off him and we'll see what happens. I can already see that his defence has improved along with his running game.
In regards to all the negative comments about him, why is it always the same posters? unhappy life?

It's pretty hard to roll the ball into the in goal from your own side of halfway, I posted that and got called rubbish. Some people just need to take a pill and have a little lay down, their lives must be just miserable from the time they wake up until bedtime (6:30 pm by the way some of them carry on).

 

[rex2ce]

Send Brooks to ISP try JMK , nothing to loose

 

[cktiger]

not that my opinion really matters, but I'm going to offer it anyway.
yes Brooks needs to improve his leadership of the team as well as his 5th tackle options. there's no argument. As it is now he is basically the only real kicking option the team has on the field (Lolohea's kicking game at present is not a threat and I can't say I've seen either hooker kick at all- maybe Liddle once, and yes Teddy occasionally kicks, but generally only for himself) this enables the opposition to pressure Brooks without worrying about other kicking options. On top of this most last tackle options he is already under pressure from the forwards not having the defensive side on the back foot, thus it always seems like he has to rush his kicks or other plays. Yesterday most of his attacking kicking was done from outside the 30-40mtr make, how's he meant to grubber into the in goal from there, and for those that can't have been watching not all of his bombs/kicks went straight to the fullback/winger. Until the forwards start getting on top and we get another decent kicker to allow different options, which will put the opp defensive line in two minds, Brooks will always be under more pressure.
Add to this the coaching over the last two and bit years, did JT do anything to improve his game, I'd say no.
Will Luke turn his career round and show the promise he did as a junior, i hope so. Lets give a decent coach a chance to work with him (during the off season), a coach that we know can teach a halfback how to play, add to that an improved forward pack, a halves partner that can take some pressure off him and we'll see what happens. I can already see that his defence has improved along with his running game.
In regards to all the negative comments about him, why is it always the same posters? unhappy life?

It's pretty hard to roll the ball into the in goal from your own side of halfway, I posted that and got called rubbish. Some people just need to take a pill and have a little lay down, their lives must be just miserable from the time they wake up until bedtime (6:30 pm by the way some of them carry on).

He has no problem finding the in goal when he puts up a bomb. :laughing:

 

[hugh1954]

I just wish he would take the line on more, show some confidence and with that will come better outcomes in games, but we have been asking for that for some time now. He has the speed to be a good player but maybe it is the brains to learn and improve buggered if i know but must have a stint in reggies to gain some confidence.

 

[hobbo]

when was the last one before that ?

Rd 20 V Manly..

2-3 forced line dropouts per half would be better …he's Rubbish

That's what I'm talking about. Every set we should be looking for a repeat set.
He should be a champion kicker that can make it sit up in goal on command.
I expect to see a repeat set attempt more than the usual bomb we see on the 5th. Im not understanding the whole game plan.

Bombs rarely get repeat sets.

That's the issue …
Usually our attacking sets finish up on the oppositions 40 line after struggling to get out of our own end .
In this case a bomb is a waste of time especially with our poor kick-chase .
Brooks needs to find touch , which gives our plodders time to reset in defense .
When we do get into the oppositions 20/10 meter zone Brooks panics ...
He must be a slow learner !

 

[Tim Sheens]

My biggest problem with Brooks is he can't seem to get a repeat set.
I can't remember the last time he has kicked and we've trapped someone in goal.

Round 21 v Gold Coast Titans..

when was the last one before that ?

Rd 20 V Manly..

How's that Midnight Oil song go again, ????? Memory must have a, ????? Memory. Selective maybe?

 

[matchball]

Rd 20 V Manly..

2-3 forced line dropouts per half would be better …he's Rubbish

That's what I'm talking about. Every set we should be looking for a repeat set.
He should be a champion kicker that can make it sit up in goal on command.
I expect to see a repeat set attempt more than the usual bomb we see on the 5th. Im not understanding the whole game plan.

Bombs rarely get repeat sets.

That's the issue …
Usually our attacking sets finish up on the oppositions 40 line after struggling to get out of our own end .
In this case a bomb is a waste of time especially with our poor kick-chase .
Brooks needs to find touch , which gives our plodders time to reset in defense .
When we do get into the oppositions 20/10 meter zone Brooks panics ...
He must be a slow learner !

Id even take a running on the last play and turning the ball over 5 metres out.
At least the line is ready.
The bombs are never contested. What's the point of them.

 

[Demps]

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[Needaname]

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Do we really need to regurgitate another Luke Brooks thread?

Regardless.
League leader in Attacking kicks.
7th in league in forced drop outs.
4th in league for total kicks.
5th in league for kick meters.
7th in league for long kicks.
14th in weighted kicks.
17th in the league for kicks, kicked dead. (Scale from worst to best)
15th in the league for kick errors. (Scale from worst to best)

Luke Brooks kicking game is not the problem!

 

[Demps]

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Do we really need to regurgitate another Luke Brooks thread?

Regardless.
League leader in Attacking kicks.
7th in league in forced drop outs.
4th in league for total kicks.
5th in league for kick meters.
7th in league for long kicks.
14th in weighted kicks.
17th in the league for kicks, kicked dead. (Scale from worst to best)
15th in the league for kick errors. (Scale from worst to best)

Luke Brooks kicking game is not the problem!

Yes.

The club is doing an end of season review and hopefully it will bring results.

I read over this thread and it was interesting to see, some of the things that are being said now were also said 4 years ago.

I thought it was quite interesting.
His kicking game is not the problem?
I would disagree.

 

[Needaname]

Please review this topic in 2021...


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Do we really need to regurgitate another Luke Brooks thread?

Regardless.
League leader in Attacking kicks.
7th in league in forced drop outs.
4th in league for total kicks.
5th in league for kick meters.
7th in league for long kicks.
14th in weighted kicks.
17th in the league for kicks, kicked dead. (Scale from worst to best)
15th in the league for kick errors. (Scale from worst to best)

Luke Brooks kicking game is not the problem!

Yes.

The club is doing an end of season review and hopefully it will bring results.

I read over this thread and it was interesting to see, some of the things that are being said now were also said 4 years ago.

I thought it was quite interesting.
His kicking game is not the problem?
I would disagree.

Start of the year I agree, different story.
However, since he had a tough time kicking during his 150th game with 2 kicks going dead that game he has kicked 1 more time dead.
He has still managed 11 forced drop outs through kicks despite the fact we as a team are reluctant to grubber in goal.
Not to say I wouldn’t like to see improvement.
A kick that goes over the head of the fullback and sits in the in-goal would be nice but not always possible.
A bit more sting in his bombs would be good also. He has hit some real good ones in occasion.
His place kicking is best in the league, an area he has really improved.
With a equally capable kicking partner it will improve the team 10 fold.

Another stat to consider is although Brooks sits in the top 5 for kick meters and total kicks as a team we in the bottom 4 in both areas.

 

[Tiger5150]

Oh thank God Demps! I have been waiting for an opportunity to discuss whether Brooks was any good and at a loss where to vent my feelings.

 

[Lukic]

Brooks' kicking game isn't very good. I'm not too concerned what the stats say, but for a lot of those, he's up the top because he's played every game and is our dominant kicker.

He very, very rarely finds the grass on his long kicks and his attacking kicks from 30-40 out aren't good. I will admit though, his kicks closer to the in-goal have been good - Ken and Talau have picked up a few tries from nice cross-field kicks.