Brooks training

[Geo]

If Brooks wants to stay here, he needs to stand up for himself and stop letting Moses completely dominate him on the field.
Both of his standout games have been when Moses wasn't playing,and Brooks took a much bigger role in organising the team.
If he continues to be dominated by Moses, his only chance of staying in first grade is at another club, where he can take more control of a game, as he did in both games without Moses.
They may have been good together in the lower grades, but so far they haven't played well together in first grade, whether that's because of Taylor giving too much control to Moses, I don't know.
But Brooks looks like he hasn't got a clue about what he's supposed to be doing.
He's got nothing to lose by getting more involved, as his future looks to be on shaken ground here at the moment

Agree with your comments GCT,the only thing I will say is,Brooks and Moses had a great combination in the NYC,they were standouts,however in my honest opinion Moses has adapted to the NRL arena in a big way as he has matured,Brooks has been far slower at adapting to the NRL and may take a little more time or he may become one of these stars that don't quite make it….this year he has to stand up or he will be left behind....

You know the only played 3 games together in NYC right…Brooks only played 18 in total Moses 24 ...Luke was in 1st Grade from 2014 ...Moses went between NYC and State Cup and made his FG debut that year...

They were together in SG Ball side that won the Comp in 2012...

I'm tipping a big Year For Luke Brooks...

 

[Tiger_Watto]

I'm tipping a big Year For Luke Brooks…

Me too… There are few games last year where he looked to be building really well.

I wont be surprised to see Luke take the NRL by the scruf of the neck this year and really have a big year!

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I'm tipping a big Year For Luke Brooks…

Me too… There are few games last year where he looked to be building really well.

I wont be surprised to see Luke take the NRL by the scruf of the neck this year and really have a big year!

I hope you're right Watto.
His best is every bit as good as Anything that Moses has shown, but he's got to have the confidence to take over at times, and show it more often
His defence has to get better as well , but that goes for both of them.

 

[foreveratiger]

If Brooks wants to stay here, he needs to stand up for himself and stop letting Moses completely dominate him on the field.
Both of his standout games have been when Moses wasn't playing,and Brooks took a much bigger role in organising the team.
If he continues to be dominated by Moses, his only chance of staying in first grade is at another club, where he can take more control of a game, as he did in both games without Moses.
They may have been good together in the lower grades, but so far they haven't played well together in first grade, whether that's because of Taylor giving too much control to Moses, I don't know.
But Brooks looks like he hasn't got a clue about what he's supposed to be doing.
He's got nothing to lose by getting more involved, as his future looks to be on shaken ground here at the moment

Agree with your comments GCT,the only thing I will say is,Brooks and Moses had a great combination in the NYC,they were standouts,however in my honest opinion Moses has adapted to the NRL arena in a big way as he has matured,Brooks has been far slower at adapting to the NRL and may take a little more time or he may become one of these stars that don't quite make it….this year he has to stand up or he will be left behind....

You know the only played 3 games together in NYC right…Brooks only played 18 in total Moses 24 ...Luke was in 1st Grade from 2014 ...Moses went between NYC and State Cup and made his FG debut that year...

They were together in SG Ball side that won the Comp in 2012...

I'm tipping a big Year For Luke Brooks...

What relevance does that have?

Bottom line is they both been overpaid for too long with little return , Moses seems like his growing in confidence and will grow.

Nathan Cleary hasn't had a problem adjusting to life in the NRL.

A big year for Brooks :laughing: players usually do when they are coming off Contract.
What I'm tipping is for Wests Tigers to be paying huge overs again in keeping Brooks around the 800K mark as that's what his Manager will be asking for and making sure the awesome foursome friendship continues to blossom.

Moses is the voice in the side….Brooks hasn't got it in him to direct a side, when Moses shines Brooks is not playing.
If Brooks is happy to re-sign for $300-350k then sure otherwise give me jack Littlejohn John at the bargain price.
Sorry Geo but it doesn't take you 3 years to make your presence felt as a halfback in the NRL.....If your good enough your old enough as Cleary demonstrated last year as an 18 year old.

 

[palms]

Regardless of whether or not the forward pack is dominating, I still think Moses has it in him create something. That's just the type of player he is. I think Brooks needs the team going well for him to go well and you can't be that type of player and excel in the NRL. I've been hoping every year that he brings some confidence to his game but as yet i'm yet to see any.

 

[Telltails]

If we continue to get dominated in the forwards neither will consistently shine at this club. Behind dominate packs they will have the opportunity to play their best footy here or somewhere else.

It didn't stop Moses from breaking out last year. It's no excuse for Brooks. This is his make or break year. Does he take the next step or does he drift into Siro territory, making a living off potential.

Brooks doesn't have to outplay Moses, they just have to do their job to help us win games. Moses was just as ineffective in the games we got rolled when we were dominated by other teams if anything its when he tends to try too hard and makes more errors.
The games when the pack dominated , Manly and Broncos games come to mind, they both out played their more fancied opposition.

 

[Geo]

You know the only played 3 games together in NYC right…Brooks only played 18 in total Moses 24 ...Luke was in 1st Grade from 2014 ...Moses went between NYC and State Cup and made his FG debut that year...

They were together in SG Ball side that won the Comp in 2012...

I'm tipping a big Year For Luke Brooks...

What relevance does that have?

Bottom line is they both been overpaid for too long with little return , Moses seems like his growing in confidence and will grow.

Nathan Cleary hasn't had a problem adjusting to life in the NRL.

A big year for Brooks :laughing: players usually do when they are coming off Contract.
What I'm tipping is for Wests Tigers to be paying huge overs again in keeping Brooks around the 800K mark as that's what his Manager will be asking for and making sure the awesome foursome friendship continues to blossom.

Moses is the voice in the side….Brooks hasn't got it in him to direct a side, when Moses shines Brooks is not playing.
If Brooks is happy to re-sign for $300-350k then sure otherwise give me jack Littlejohn John at the bargain price.
Sorry Geo but it doesn't take you 3 years to make your presence felt as a halfback in the NRL.....If your good enough your old enough as Cleary demonstrated last year as an 18 year old.

Did you read the post above about combinations in NYC ..3 games

Moses had a great back end to the Year no doubt… I think that clouds people's judgement on the season as a whole...Brooks was also out for 3 weeks with a knee injury came back early when Moses was on Fire of cause he was going to take a back seat..He still managed to contribute in the Warriors game by kicking a 40/20 before Sue scored and smashing Loloheah into touch as he was about to score at 24 all..

For a Dud Brooks still managed 15 TRY Assists and 10 LB assists and a few 40/20's ..I swear if he doesn't score 4 TRY's a game set up 10 kick 8 40/20's provide 22 Line breaks people will judge him poorly...

He needs to run more and take on the line.. is what I'd like from him in 2017...I aslo think you may be surprised what Luke dollars is prepared to stay for...It's also the team they need to build around these guys that will go along way to future success...

 

[Tiger_Watto]

We wont be getting much change from $750k-$800k I'd suggest!

 

[foreveratiger]

You know the only played 3 games together in NYC right…Brooks only played 18 in total Moses 24 ...Luke was in 1st Grade from 2014 ...Moses went between NYC and State Cup and made his FG debut that year...

They were together in SG Ball side that won the Comp in 2012...

I'm tipping a big Year For Luke Brooks...

What relevance does that have?

Bottom line is they both been overpaid for too long with little return , Moses seems like his growing in confidence and will grow.

Nathan Cleary hasn't had a problem adjusting to life in the NRL.

A big year for Brooks :laughing: players usually do when they are coming off Contract.
What I'm tipping is for Wests Tigers to be paying huge overs again in keeping Brooks around the 800K mark as that's what his Manager will be asking for and making sure the awesome foursome friendship continues to blossom.

Moses is the voice in the side….Brooks hasn't got it in him to direct a side, when Moses shines Brooks is not playing.
If Brooks is happy to re-sign for $300-350k then sure otherwise give me jack Littlejohn John at the bargain price.
Sorry Geo but it doesn't take you 3 years to make your presence felt as a halfback in the NRL.....If your good enough your old enough as Cleary demonstrated last year as an 18 year old.

Did you read the post above about combinations in NYC ..3 games

Moses had a great back end to the Year no doubt… I think that clouds people's judgement on the season as a whole...Brooks was also out for 3 weeks with a knee injury came back early when Moses was on Fire of cause he was going to take a back seat..He still managed to contribute in the Warriors game by kicking a 40/20 before Sue scored and smashing Loloheah into touch as he was about to score at 24 all..

For a Dud Brooks still managed 15 TRY Assists and 10 LB assists and a few 40/20's ..I swear if he doesn't score 4 TRY's a game set up 10 kick 8 40/20's provide 22 Line breaks people will judge him poorly...

He needs to run more and take on the line.. is what I'd like from him in 2017...I aslo think you may be surprised what Luke dollars is prepared to stay for...It's also the team they need to build around these guys that will go along way to future success...

Combinations in lower grades mean diddly squat in 1st as it's a different tempo, players have ample of time in Holden Cup and lower grades.

Give me the stats on how many tries he let in due to his defence?

What less than $600K than what it's reported he will be on this year? I doubt very much it will be less than that.

His had ample of time to prove his worth and will be 23 years of age this year, at what point do you cut your losses and say the kid is simply not up to this level.
Give him this year and let him go.

 

[palms]

He's up to the level but needs consistency. He has been up in the top halfbacks in terms of Half stats. His kicking lets him down and his decision making at the line let him down. He is definitely good enough but not consistently good enough.

 

[Tim Sheens]

We wont be getting much change from $750k-$800k I'd suggest!

Not to mention a juicy TPA on top for mine.

As mentioned above, the guy is a first grader and will play many more games, with stats that most other halves would be happy to have beside their names and particularly from a bottom eight club. Had Teddy not gotten busted up by James, I doubt that Luke would have been asked to play on one leg in the final rounds either, or at least so early, which may well be the form some are judging him on.

Has he turned out to be the next Andrew Johns, well no, nowhere near that thus far, but he did not ask for the comparison to an immortal and is doing his job for the team. Whilst we all would prefer better, especially defensively and his pass selection, I am happy to keep him on current form and any improvement is a bonus.

 

[TCL]

I think Brooks is going to have a good year, no knee problems and he will do well. I hope Moses plays like he did last year but remember in 2015 he was average. Liddell is going to be a great for both of them, with a crafty dummy half the opposition defence can't shift as quick and will give the backs time and space to play. If they shift then Liddell may find some gaps in and around the ruck.

Support play will hopefully improve this year, last year with the offloads our second phase was ineffective, we preferred to play set plays but at times you have to play whats ahead (thats how i saw it, not shaw what the stats suggest).

 

[bp_tiger]

it does not help brooks or moses when we have second rowers who do not hit the line or put the fear of god in a defensive line, or really help them out in defence. maybe with idris and maybe sui ( when he gets a run) hitting the line it will take pressure of the both.

 

[Russell]

I'd like to keep Brooks - I think he will be good for us, especially along with Teddy, Moses and Liddell (possibly the most exciting spine in the NRL for donkeys). However, people are comparing him with Cleary - everyone is not the same, some mature quicker than others - (don't think Brooks has an NRL coach for a father either - which helps). He still needs time to work out a few faults, slack at training, confidence, defence and brain explosions that lead to intercepts that aren't on and wrong options when close to the line.

That said - I still feel he could be a good one for us - however for more than he is getting now (I believe 600k) I don't think so. He needs to fix the faults first. There would be no harm in structuring a contract that increases his pay as he irons out the faults. I would drop him to 450k (if Rowdy can drop, he can as well) and add over the next three years as he improves.

If we had a good defensive unit around him, of course that would help.

What worries me is the same manager, manages all four in Brooks, Moses, Teddy and Woods.
I can see Brooks wanting more, us saying no (we'll use JLJ, ok with me as well), then manager saying "give him what he wants or all four will walk. What do we do then????

 

[greatodensraven]

What worries me is the same manager, manages all four in Brooks, Moses, Teddy and Woods.
I can see Brooks wanting more, us saying no (we'll use JLJ, ok with me as well), then manager saying "give him what he wants or all four will walk. What do we do then????

I can see how this might cause concern but surely the players have minds of their own & would size up each offer for themselves rather than letting their Mgr make the final decision.

For the record I hope we re-sign all 4 sooner rather than later.

 

[jirskyr]

You know the only played 3 games together in NYC right…Brooks only played 18 in total Moses 24 ...Luke was in 1st Grade from 2014 ...Moses went between NYC and State Cup and made his FG debut that year...

They were together in SG Ball side that won the Comp in 2012...

I'm tipping a big Year For Luke Brooks...

What relevance does that have?

Bottom line is they both been overpaid for too long with little return , Moses seems like his growing in confidence and will grow.

Nathan Cleary hasn't had a problem adjusting to life in the NRL.

A big year for Brooks :laughing: players usually do when they are coming off Contract.
What I'm tipping is for Wests Tigers to be paying huge overs again in keeping Brooks around the 800K mark as that's what his Manager will be asking for and making sure the awesome foursome friendship continues to blossom.

Moses is the voice in the side….Brooks hasn't got it in him to direct a side, when Moses shines Brooks is not playing.
If Brooks is happy to re-sign for $300-350k then sure otherwise give me jack Littlejohn John at the bargain price.
Sorry Geo but it doesn't take you 3 years to make your presence felt as a halfback in the NRL.....If your good enough your old enough as Cleary demonstrated last year as an 18 year old.

Did you read the post above about combinations in NYC ..3 games

Moses had a great back end to the Year no doubt… I think that clouds people's judgement on the season as a whole...Brooks was also out for 3 weeks with a knee injury came back early when Moses was on Fire of cause he was going to take a back seat..He still managed to contribute in the Warriors game by kicking a 40/20 before Sue scored and smashing Loloheah into touch as he was about to score at 24 all..

For a Dud Brooks still managed 15 TRY Assists and 10 LB assists and a few 40/20's ..I swear if he doesn't score 4 TRY's a game set up 10 kick 8 40/20's provide 22 Line breaks people will judge him poorly...

He needs to run more and take on the line.. is what I'd like from him in 2017...I aslo think you may be surprised what Luke dollars is prepared to stay for...It's also the team they need to build around these guys that will go along way to future success...

I think the difficult thing in judging Brooks is that he does not have the same obvious energy / effort in each match that Moses does.

It makes it easier for a punter to see where Moses is contributing because things are done in a very animated manner, whereas Brooks is far more laid back and people can take this as a sign of non-application.

As Geo pointed out already, Brooks actually had good numbers in terms of contribution to attack. Certainly Moses’ end of year was good but if you make quick comparisons (top 3 attackers):
Tries: Moses 6, Brooks 5, Tedesco 14
Line breaks: Moses 15, Brooks 3, Tedesco 15
Try assists: Moses 18, Brooks 14, Tedesco 12
Line break assists: Moses 13, Brooks 19, Tedesco 10
Missed tackles: Moses 92/386 = 76.17% efficiency, Brooks 98/271 = 63.84% efficiency, Tedesco 23/61 = 62.30% efficiency.
Errors: Moses 27, Brooks 13, Tedesco 17
Kick metres: Moses 4,859, Brooks 4,426

It seems clear that Brooks either doesn’t take the line on enough or does not trouble the line when he does. And his defence is clearly worse than Moses, with less traffic fielded. With all that being said, Tedesco is pretty bad for missed tackles but doesn't have the reputation for that (in cover yes but really what’s so different in difficulty between trying to stop line breaks vs wearing frontline forward runs all game).

Moses commits far more errors in his attempts to attack.

Brooks and Moses are otherwise close in assists.

So then why is Moses being judged a better prospect right now than Brooks? Because he finished the
season more strongly? Because he is more up-tempo? He makes a lot of mistakes and though Brooks is a worse defender clearly, Moses is still pretty bad defensively. And in clutch games, there were some good Brooks moments and some good Moses moments like Geo pointed out, but also bad ones like the loss to Storm at LO. I do not have much confidence in throwing Moses the footy when the game is on the line.

I just feel like people expect Brooks to be more dominant, but also for Moses to be dominant at the same time, and I don’t think having two dominant halves works for most teams. If two players are calling for the ball at the clutch moments, it complicates game plans. I think Broncos feel this problem at times with Hunt + Milford, and despite all Hunt's positives as a player he had a fairly bad year last year.

If Brooks could fix his missed tackles, in my opinion he’d be a good way already towards being a capable support for Moses, to do the default halfback stuff (kick, distribution, roll-forward) and give Moses a crack when the defence is backpedalling, we are close to the line or we need urgent points.

IMO it's far easier for a young footballer to be daring and flashy, take runs and throw cut-outs passes a la Benji than to be a calm-headed game builder. Brooks is only 22 but people expect a lot of his maturity, especially because he was brought to grade so young. Sure Nathan Cleary had a good season 2016 and seems really level-headed, but let's also judge him again after 2017 is done and teams have been able to dissect his game from more than 15 appearances.

Cleary might also end up being that once-in-a-generation type of commanding halfback, and the comparisons for guys like Brooks could end up unfair. I mean can you judge the output of Mitchell Moses knowing how good Johnathon Thurston is? Just because Cleary might have a certain ability, doesn't mean it's a benchmark for all players. Will Te Maire Martin be as good as Cleary? What about Kane Elgey or Ash Taylor? How is young Lamb getting on at the Knights?

I agree with the overall sentiment that Brooks is behind Tedesco and Moses in the pecking order, but for the right price he's easily worth persisting with. People are saying this is his last year / chance, but maybe his price will adjust accordingly if he doesn't have a standout year. We don't have the next young halfback lined up and JLJ is not better, just older and probably cheaper.

 

[Masterton]

As Geo pointed out already, Brooks actually had good numbers in terms of contribution to attack. Certainly Moses’ end of year was good but if you make quick comparisons (top 3 attackers):
Tries: Moses 6, Brooks 5, Tedesco 14
Line breaks: Moses 15, Brooks 3, Tedesco 15
Try assists: Moses 18, Brooks 14, Tedesco 12
Line break assists: Moses 13, Brooks 19, Tedesco 10
Missed tackles: Moses 92/386 = 76.17% efficiency, Brooks 98/271 = 63.84% efficiency, Tedesco 23/61 = 62.30% efficiency.
Errors: Moses 27, Brooks 13, Tedesco 17
Kick metres: Moses 4,859, Brooks 4,426

Illuminating stats. I've never felt Brooks was any worse at a putting a man away. Funny that Brooks has a reputation for going for the miracle ball but makes far less errors.

The biggest fault in Brooks's games (IMHO) is when we are getting buckled in attack. Her will just wait til things improve. Sometimes he needs to involved with some short passes, or at very least hang around the ruck waiting for an offload.

 

[happy_tiger]

You know the only played 3 games together in NYC right…Brooks only played 18 in total Moses 24 ...Luke was in 1st Grade from 2014 ...Moses went between NYC and State Cup and made his FG debut that year...

They were together in SG Ball side that won the Comp in 2012...

I'm tipping a big Year For Luke Brooks...

What relevance does that have?

Bottom line is they both been overpaid for too long with little return , Moses seems like his growing in confidence and will grow.

Nathan Cleary hasn't had a problem adjusting to life in the NRL.

A big year for Brooks :laughing: players usually do when they are coming off Contract.
What I'm tipping is for Wests Tigers to be paying huge overs again in keeping Brooks around the 800K mark as that's what his Manager will be asking for and making sure the awesome foursome friendship continues to blossom.

Moses is the voice in the side….Brooks hasn't got it in him to direct a side, when Moses shines Brooks is not playing.
If Brooks is happy to re-sign for $300-350k then sure otherwise give me jack Littlejohn John at the bargain price.
Sorry Geo but it doesn't take you 3 years to make your presence felt as a halfback in the NRL.....If your good enough your old enough as Cleary demonstrated last year as an 18 year old.

Did you read the post above about combinations in NYC ..3 games

Moses had a great back end to the Year no doubt… I think that clouds people's judgement on the season as a whole...Brooks was also out for 3 weeks with a knee injury came back early when Moses was on Fire of cause he was going to take a back seat..He still managed to contribute in the Warriors game by kicking a 40/20 before Sue scored and smashing Loloheah into touch as he was about to score at 24 all..

For a Dud Brooks still managed 15 TRY Assists and 10 LB assists and a few 40/20's ..I swear if he doesn't score 4 TRY's a game set up 10 kick 8 40/20's provide 22 Line breaks people will judge him poorly...

He needs to run more and take on the line.. is what I'd like from him in 2017...I aslo think you may be surprised what Luke dollars is prepared to stay for...It's also the team they need to build around these guys that will go along way to future success...

I think the difficult thing in judging Brooks is that he does not have the same obvious energy / effort in each match that Moses does.

It makes it easier for a punter to see where Moses is contributing because things are done in a very animated manner, whereas Brooks is far more laid back and people can take this as a sign of non-application.

As Geo pointed out already, Brooks actually had good numbers in terms of contribution to attack. Certainly Moses’ end of year was good but if you make quick comparisons (top 3 attackers):
Tries: Moses 6, Brooks 5, Tedesco 14
Line breaks: Moses 15, Brooks 3, Tedesco 15
Try assists: Moses 18, Brooks 14, Tedesco 12
Line break assists: Moses 13, Brooks 19, Tedesco 10
Missed tackles: Moses 92/386 = 76.17% efficiency, Brooks 98/271 = 63.84% efficiency, Tedesco 23/61 = 62.30% efficiency.
Errors: Moses 27, Brooks 13, Tedesco 17
Kick metres: Moses 4,859, Brooks 4,426

It seems clear that Brooks either doesn’t take the line on enough or does not trouble the line when he does. And his defence is clearly worse than Moses, with less traffic fielded. With all that being said, Tedesco is pretty bad for missed tackles but doesn't have the reputation for that (in cover yes but really what’s so different in difficulty between trying to stop line breaks vs wearing frontline forward runs all game).

Moses commits far more errors in his attempts to attack.

Brooks and Moses are otherwise close in assists.

So then why is Moses being judged a better prospect right now than Brooks? Because he finished the
season more strongly? Because he is more up-tempo? He makes a lot of mistakes and though Brooks is a worse defender clearly, Moses is still pretty bad defensively. And in clutch games, there were some good Brooks moments and some good Moses moments like Geo pointed out, but also bad ones like the loss to Storm at LO. I do not have much confidence in throwing Moses the footy when the game is on the line.

I just feel like people expect Brooks to be more dominant, but also for Moses to be dominant at the same time, and I don’t think having two dominant halves works for most teams. If two players are calling for the ball at the clutch moments, it complicates game plans. I think Broncos feel this problem at times with Hunt + Milford, and despite all Hunt's positives as a player he had a fairly bad year last year.

If Brooks could fix his missed tackles, in my opinion he’d be a good way already towards being a capable support for Moses, to do the default halfback stuff (kick, distribution, roll-forward) and give Moses a crack when the defence is backpedalling, we are close to the line or we need urgent points.

IMO it's far easier for a young footballer to be daring and flashy, take runs and throw cut-outs passes a la Benji than to be a calm-headed game builder. Brooks is only 22 but people expect a lot of his maturity, especially because he was brought to grade so young. Sure Nathan Cleary had a good season 2016 and seems really level-headed, but let's also judge him again after 2017 is done and teams have been able to dissect his game from more than 15 appearances.

Cleary might also end up being that once-in-a-generation type of commanding halfback, and the comparisons for guys like Brooks could end up unfair. I mean can you judge the output of Mitchell Moses knowing how good Johnathon Thurston is? Just because Cleary might have a certain ability, doesn't mean it's a benchmark for all players. Will Te Maire Martin be as good as Cleary? What about Kane Elgey or Ash Taylor? How is young Lamb getting on at the Knights?

I agree with the overall sentiment that Brooks is behind Tedesco and Moses in the pecking order, but for the right price he's easily worth persisting with. People are saying this is his last year / chance, but maybe his price will adjust accordingly if he doesn't have a standout year. We don't have the next young halfback lined up and JLJ is not better, just older and probably cheaper.

Comparing Tedesco's tackle stats to Moses or Brooks is simply ridiculous

Usually when fullbacks are making tackles they are facing defenders 1 on 1 with heaps of field to play with

Or they are trying to hold up a second rower in the in goal or trying to drive a player in full flight over the sideline

They aren't in a defensive structure with others around them

 

[TrueTiger]

Brooks and Moses together should be a dynamic combo,its up to them who will be the leading playmaker during the games,game plans, structures all have to be adhered to…if Moses is to dominate then Brooks has to adjust his game to be a supporting playmaker..not go missing during games,not arm grab when tackling and start earning his paycheck as per hype,otherwise I don't care if he goes....Taylor must get these two to be the controlling force within our team,no good having two superstars and only one going forward. ....otherwise we are wasting much needed money.!!

 

[jirskyr]

Comparing Tedesco's tackle stats to Moses or Brooks is simply ridiculous

Usually when fullbacks are making tackles they are facing defenders 1 on 1 with heaps of field to play with

Or they are trying to hold up a second rower in the in goal or trying to drive a player in full flight over the sideline

They aren't in a defensive structure with others around them

Why is it ridiculous? I’m talking about relative missed tackles and defensive reputations based on those stats. It's an example of how player reputations amongst fans compare with actual numbers, another angle to the question why Brooks has such a negative reputation for his offensive output, when his numbers compare well with Moses (who is conversely considered a livewire).

Yes halves and FB have different defensive requirements, but I was pointing out that Tedesco is a pretty ordinary defender too, but it never comes up.

So let’s look at a few prominent FBs in 2016, to expand the argument:
Tedesco 17 played, 84 attempts (4.94 pg), 23 MT (27.38%)
Munster 24 games, 174 attempts (7.25 pg), 31 MT (17.82%)
Boyd 25 games, 180 attempts (7.20 pg), 32 MT (17.78%)
Coote 27 games, 246 attempts (9.11 pg), 55 MT (22.36%)
Moylan 21 games, 204 attempts (9.71 pg), 34 MT (16.67%)
Barba 27 games, 123 attempts (4.55 pg), 33 MT (26.83%)
And for extra interest, a FB from a really crap side that leaks tonnes of points: Gagai 22 games, 270 attempts (12.27 pg), 62 MT (22.96%)

I did not cherry-pick these guys, I just took a cross-section of the FBs in the top sides, then Gagai for interest's sake.

Out of the above, Tedesco attempted the second-least number of tackles per match and missed the most as a percentage, even worse than the renowned arm-grabber Ben Barba and Dane Gagai who spends most of his matches chasing line breaks.

Why does Tedesco attempt so few tackles, does it speak to his positioning? You could argue that when his halves miss tackles near the line, he has almost no chance to get across in cover. But Dane Gagai manages not quite so badly and he's not even a specialist FB like Tedesco is.

Brooks has a reputation for being an ordinary distributor, but his set up of offense is comparable to Moses and Tedesco. He is a known poor tackler, but so are Moses and Tedesco.

But fans believe Tedesco MUST be retained, with Moses definitely ahead of Brooks by some margin. And I am trying to figure out why. And I'm not talking along the lines of "Brooks just isn't quite as good as these guys", I am hearing "if Brooks doesn't have a standout year 2017 he should be dropped / let go".