Canterbury Bulldogs table four-year deals to lure James Tedesco and Aaron Woods from Wests Tigers

[happy_tiger]

Maybe tigers can do with a former employee telling them where woods actually ranks in regards to props in the NRL. There's only one key stat where he is top 10 in for forwards. His actual worth is closer to the 500k per season mark.

You won't believe this but we are on the same page for once

Problem is though is along with Taylor they are our standout forwards by the length of the Flemington straight

Unless we can surround them with some quality forwards we can't let Woods go

But if the Dogs want to pay him 900 k a year they are more than welcome to Woods , no way we should be even thinking about matching that

Yeah woods looks good in tigers system because the forward game is centred around him. In reality he's a powder puff who doesn't break tackles or offloads and has minimal metres after contact. His numbers per carry are on par with tim grant. And no one is offering him 1mil a season

He'd be far more effective if you cut his minutes back , look at the aggression he has in the NSW jersey

He is still a NSW forward and will help attract talent and that is the most important thing

And taking into account the salary cap subsidies we get in his last year it helps also

I'm not his biggest fan at all , I wish he'd get his big ass out of the way when we get in the opposition red zone and give some ball to Aloiai ,Idris and Sue , especially Idris to get some far quicker play the balls that we can actually create some quality chances and space for Moses ,Brooks and Tedesco

We get some quick play the balls with Moses agility ,Brooks speed and Tedescos mix of both and we become a far different proposition

 

[smoking_gun]

Maybe tigers can do with a former employee telling them where woods actually ranks in regards to props in the NRL. There's only one key stat where he is top 10 in for forwards. His actual worth is closer to the 500k per season mark.

You won't believe this but we are on the same page for once

Problem is though is along with Taylor they are our standout forwards by the length of the Flemington straight

Unless we can surround them with some quality forwards we can't let Woods go

But if the Dogs want to pay him 900 k a year they are more than welcome to Woods , no way we should be even thinking about matching that

Yeah woods looks good in tigers system because the forward game is centred around him. In reality he's a powder puff who doesn't break tackles or offloads and has minimal metres after contact. His numbers per carry are on par with tim grant. And no one is offering him 1mil a season

Please tell me we didn't offer Woods 1mil. Say it isn't true!

Wasn't a million, but was in the vicinity of 850k

 

[jirskyr]

Maybe tigers can do with a former employee telling them where woods actually ranks in regards to props in the NRL. There's only one key stat where he is top 10 in for forwards. His actual worth is closer to the 500k per season mark.

You won't believe this but we are on the same page for once

Problem is though is along with Taylor they are our standout forwards by the length of the Flemington straight

Unless we can surround them with some quality forwards we can't let Woods go

But if the Dogs want to pay him 900 k a year they are more than welcome to Woods , no way we should be even thinking about matching that

Yeah woods looks good in tigers system because the forward game is centred around him. In reality he's a powder puff who doesn't break tackles or offloads and has minimal metres after contact. His numbers per carry are on par with tim grant. And no one is offering him 1mil a season

OK so I agree that the figures being bandied about are a lot for props, because I always feel you can get a lot of mileage out of honest toilers, you don't have to have a rep prop if you have 3-4 strong, consistent ones. A Taumalolo is a different beast, I'm not talking about rampaging power backrowers.

BUT

Woods isn't a powder puff. You might not think he is that good, or not as good as his reputation, but he's no softy.

So yes his metres per carry is on par with Tim Grant in 2017\. Funnily enough it's also on par with Jesse Bromwich by the same margin, and ahead of James Graham (I picked two of the top props). NRL Stats doesn't have metres-post-contact, but does it really matter if they make meterage via contact or no contact?

Woods does not have high tackle breaks, agreed. But offloads, this myth keeps going around for some reason, Woods has been Top 3 for OL at Tigers every year since debut, and sometimes the #1\. He has 7 OL in 2017, comfortably better than Graham or Bromwich or Grant. Top props this year are Fifita and de Belin (12), Taupau and Nathan Brown have 11\. MCK has 10, that I think says something about overlooked offloaders.
Edit: oh these are averages BTW for 2017 including last round.

 

[jadtiger]

Maybe tigers can do with a former employee telling them where woods actually ranks in regards to props in the NRL. There's only one key stat where he is top 10 in for forwards. His actual worth is closer to the 500k per season mark.

You won't believe this but we are on the same page for once

Problem is though is along with Taylor they are our standout forwards by the length of the Flemington straight

Unless we can surround them with some quality forwards we can't let Woods go

But if the Dogs want to pay him 900 k a year they are more than welcome to Woods , no way we should be even thinking about matching that

The figures for Woods boogle the mind. I reckon 500k is basically the maximum we should be offering for him. There will be plenty of forwards who we can attract to the club for the right dollars.

Plenty of forwards yes but none of them are as good as the bloke you want to replace

 

[Geo]

You won't believe this but we are on the same page for once

Problem is though is along with Taylor they are our standout forwards by the length of the Flemington straight

Unless we can surround them with some quality forwards we can't let Woods go

But if the Dogs want to pay him 900 k a year they are more than welcome to Woods , no way we should be even thinking about matching that

Yeah woods looks good in tigers system because the forward game is centred around him. In reality he's a powder puff who doesn't break tackles or offloads and has minimal metres after contact. His numbers per carry are on par with tim grant. And no one is offering him 1mil a season

Please tell me we didn't offer Woods 1mil. Say it isn't true!

Wasn't a million, but was in the vicinity of 850k

Revised deal closer to 750K with 600K under the cap 150K Club affiliated TPA through Marquee Player allowance…

 

[happy_tiger]

Maybe tigers can do with a former employee telling them where woods actually ranks in regards to props in the NRL. There's only one key stat where he is top 10 in for forwards. His actual worth is closer to the 500k per season mark.

You won't believe this but we are on the same page for once

Problem is though is along with Taylor they are our standout forwards by the length of the Flemington straight

Unless we can surround them with some quality forwards we can't let Woods go

But if the Dogs want to pay him 900 k a year they are more than welcome to Woods , no way we should be even thinking about matching that

Yeah woods looks good in tigers system because the forward game is centred around him. In reality he's a powder puff who doesn't break tackles or offloads and has minimal metres after contact. His numbers per carry are on par with tim grant. And no one is offering him 1mil a season

OK so I agree that the figures being bandied about are a lot for props, because I always feel you can get a lot of mileage out of honest toilers, you don't have to have a rep prop if you have 3-4 strong, consistent ones. A Taumalolo is a different beast, I'm not talking about rampaging power backrowers.

BUT

Woods isn't a powder puff. You might not think he is that good, or not as good as his reputation, but he's no softy.

So yes his metres per carry is on par with Tim Grant in 2017\. Funnily enough it's also on par with Jesse Bromwich by the same margin, and ahead of James Graham (I picked two of the top props). NRL Stats doesn't have metres-post-contact, but does it really matter if they make meterage via contact or no contact?

Woods does not have high tackle breaks, agreed. But offloads, this myth keeps going around for some reason, Woods has been Top 3 for OL at Tigers every year since debut, and sometimes the #1\. He has 7 OL in 2017, comfortably better than Graham or Bromwich or Grant. Top props this year are Fifita and de Belin (12), Taupau and Nathan Brown have 11\. MCK has 10, that I think says something about overlooked offloaders.

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That's 2017 figures Jirskyr ??

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

I don't demonise Woodsy's captain inaction as it was possible to work out his attitude before becoming captain - I blame management not him, they gave him the job. He certainly tries on the field that is good enough for me.

We should have kept the goers - Moses and Tedesco, they are excitement plus. Moses as captain could have fluked a brilliant move.

 

[Telltails]

I am convinced some of you shut your eyes everytime Woods gets the ball cause you cant be watching if you dont see that he is by far away our best forward in terms of making metres every week. He also has some great touches with the ball a couple of rippers ithe on Sat night one that led to a try..
Defensively he doesn't hit with the impact of JWH but we demand alot more game time of him.

 

[smoking_gun]

Maybe tigers can do with a former employee telling them where woods actually ranks in regards to props in the NRL. There's only one key stat where he is top 10 in for forwards. His actual worth is closer to the 500k per season mark.

You won't believe this but we are on the same page for once

Problem is though is along with Taylor they are our standout forwards by the length of the Flemington straight

Unless we can surround them with some quality forwards we can't let Woods go

But if the Dogs want to pay him 900 k a year they are more than welcome to Woods , no way we should be even thinking about matching that

Yeah woods looks good in tigers system because the forward game is centred around him. In reality he's a powder puff who doesn't break tackles or offloads and has minimal metres after contact. His numbers per carry are on par with tim grant. And no one is offering him 1mil a season

OK so I agree that the figures being bandied about are a lot for props, because I always feel you can get a lot of mileage out of honest toilers, you don't have to have a rep prop if you have 3-4 strong, consistent ones. A Taumalolo is a different beast, I'm not talking about rampaging power backrowers.

BUT

Woods isn't a powder puff. You might not think he is that good, or not as good as his reputation, but he's no softy.

So yes his metres per carry is on par with Tim Grant in 2017\. Funnily enough it's also on par with Jesse Bromwich by the same margin, and ahead of James Graham (I picked two of the top props). NRL Stats doesn't have metres-post-contact, but does it really matter if they make meterage via contact or no contact?

Woods does not have high tackle breaks, agreed. But offloads, this myth keeps going around for some reason, Woods has been Top 3 for OL at Tigers every year since debut, and sometimes the #1\. He has 7 OL in 2017, comfortably better than Graham or Bromwich or Grant. Top props this year are Fifita and de Belin (12), Taupau and Nathan Brown have 11\. MCK has 10, that I think says something about overlooked offloaders.

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Using graham as an example isn't fair as he plays a lot more ball playing role at the dogs not your typical props role and jbrom only played 1 and a bit games this year.

I'd be making comparisons to guys like matulino and packer who are on the market. Think u will find both those guys average more meters per carry and get their shoulders through the line more than woods and u can probably get both for close to what woods is asking for.

The system I ran is about finding value for money. At cowboys for example it was pin pointing talent at a lower cost. Guys like kafusi Asiata Hess cooper lowe etc are invaluable to a team and come at a low cost. Why pay top dollar for someone who u can get similar value for elsewhere and strengthen depth and other positions?

 

[jirskyr]

You won't believe this but we are on the same page for once

Problem is though is along with Taylor they are our standout forwards by the length of the Flemington straight

Unless we can surround them with some quality forwards we can't let Woods go

But if the Dogs want to pay him 900 k a year they are more than welcome to Woods , no way we should be even thinking about matching that

Yeah woods looks good in tigers system because the forward game is centred around him. In reality he's a powder puff who doesn't break tackles or offloads and has minimal metres after contact. His numbers per carry are on par with tim grant. And no one is offering him 1mil a season

OK so I agree that the figures being bandied about are a lot for props, because I always feel you can get a lot of mileage out of honest toilers, you don't have to have a rep prop if you have 3-4 strong, consistent ones. A Taumalolo is a different beast, I'm not talking about rampaging power backrowers.

BUT

Woods isn't a powder puff. You might not think he is that good, or not as good as his reputation, but he's no softy.

So yes his metres per carry is on par with Tim Grant in 2017\. Funnily enough it's also on par with Jesse Bromwich by the same margin, and ahead of James Graham (I picked two of the top props). NRL Stats doesn't have metres-post-contact, but does it really matter if they make meterage via contact or no contact?

Woods does not have high tackle breaks, agreed. But offloads, this myth keeps going around for some reason, Woods has been Top 3 for OL at Tigers every year since debut, and sometimes the #1\. He has 7 OL in 2017, comfortably better than Graham or Bromwich or Grant. Top props this year are Fifita and de Belin (12), Taupau and Nathan Brown have 11\. MCK has 10, that I think says something about overlooked offloaders.

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That's 2017 figures Jirskyr ??

Yes mate 2017 only.

 

[happy_tiger]

Well based on that James Graham wins , his metres might be less but his speed of play the ball is far better (something else stats never tell us ) makes more tackles and misses far less

Hurry up Pascoe and Cleary , get the deal done NOW

 

[smoking_gun]

Put it this way if u can get packer and matulino for 1 million it's a far better option cap wise and value wise to paying woods 750-850k.

Then u throw in picking up someone like vete for around 350k and u now have 3 new props on average salaries of 475k to go with Ava and grant. So a 5 prop rotation for 1.8 mil or spend 850k on one prop who produces similar numbers to those other 5?

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Using graham as an example isn't fair as he plays a lot more ball playing role at the dogs not your typical props role and jbrom only played 1 and a bit games this year.

I'd be making comparisons to guys like matulino and packer who are on the market. Think u will find both those guys average more meters per carry and get their shoulders through the line more than woods and u can probably get both for close to what woods is asking for.

The system I ran is about finding value for money. At cowboys for example it was pin pointing talent at a lower cost. Guys like kafusi Asiata Hess cooper lowe etc are invaluable to a team and come at a low cost. Why pay top dollar for someone who u can get similar value for elsewhere and strengthen depth and other positions?

I wish you sent Tautau Moga our way before Brisbane stole him

 

[Nelson]

Well based on that James Graham wins , his metres might be less but his speed of play the ball is far better (something else stats never tell us ) makes more tackles and misses far less

Hurry up Pascoe and Cleary , get the deal done NOW

Woods actually got some very quick PTB's the other night and we went rolling off the back of them (albeit they were not inside the 20m). He can fall on his front when he wants to.

 

[smoking_gun]

Using graham as an example isn't fair as he plays a lot more ball playing role at the dogs not your typical props role and jbrom only played 1 and a bit games this year.

I'd be making comparisons to guys like matulino and packer who are on the market. Think u will find both those guys average more meters per carry and get their shoulders through the line more than woods and u can probably get both for close to what woods is asking for.

The system I ran is about finding value for money. At cowboys for example it was pin pointing talent at a lower cost. Guys like kafusi Asiata Hess cooper lowe etc are invaluable to a team and come at a low cost. Why pay top dollar for someone who u can get similar value for elsewhere and strengthen depth and other positions?

I wish you sent Tautau Moga our way before Brisbane stole him

He had a lot of offield issues. Only reason he isn't at the cowboys. Though don't believe they thought they would lose ponga either.

 

[jirskyr]

re SG's post, I can't seem to quote at the moment.

I can't argue with any of that, it's sound roster management.

I'm just putting the Woods comments in context. He's not crap and he's superior to all of those players you've mentioned here.

HOWEVER I agree he's not 2x superior than 400K props. I absolutely agree you are better off with a team of hardworking props than one star, some kids and some converted backrowers.

You said Graham isn't a fair comparison, well there are arguments on both sides of that - he is a prop so comparisons are somewhat fair, but also he is of a different skillset and I recognise that. I pulled him in because he's one of the player names being bounced around. And you prove one of my points that when you are comparing props to props, they have different skillsets and sometimes their use / stats can vary a lot.

As to the metres per run of the players you nominated, Woods has 9.35 m per carry in 2017 (161.83 m per game average), Packer has 9.2 m (107.33) , Vete has 9.84 (105). Matulino hasn't played this year, last year Woods was 8.8 m per carry (160.37 m average per game) and Matulino 8.72 (116.78 m av per game). So Woods out-performs all of them with metres per carry except Vete, but Vete makes less meterage per game.

 

[smoking_gun]

And this if where VFM comes into it

Just using your example (I can go into further details later if needed)

Packer mautaulino combo averages 224 meters per game and would come at a similar price tag to one Aaron woods, also add to this that packer plays shorter stints due to a strong forward pack rotation at dragons one thing they aren't short of this year. So with 2 players u get more output and now extra depth at the position. While taking a minimal hit on the cap.

But it's not just about meters. What analysis the system I used in previous employment takes into account goes far beyond that to get VFM.

Take Shannon Boyd for example barely breaks 100m a game but that's not important for Canberra. His KPi is tackle breaks/amount of defenders he attracts and quick play the balls. His impact usually creates alll that space for his backs. Now if u purely went on run meters you wouldn't pay Boyd 150k a year.

 

[Harvey]

I didn't think the nrl would register contracts that would put a club over the cap. Wouldn't they have to shed players before the contract could be ratified?

 

[cqtiger]

I didn't think the nrl would register contracts that would put a club over the cap. Wouldn't they have to shed players before the contract could be ratified?

That only applies to the lower, financially retarded clubs.

 

[Russell]

Do the Bullgrubs have a cap?

Release Moses after this weekend and asked to be compensated by Parramatta and if the other two leave throw them in the reserves for the rest of the year because they are not on the bus.

Maybe harsh but the club and the future comes first

I would think winning games comes first.