Coach can't train intelligence.

[DGilly]

This a very unintelligent team. There is no coach in the world that trains a team to be dumb. It's from within each player.

So much on the line. So little in the mind.

I fully agree - our team is noticeably more dumb than other teams

 

[tigeress]

Just showed some footage of Madge in the room on fox (I had no volume), he looks shot.

Not sure what the commentary over the footage was. Was it Flanagan saying there is no way that you would ever get me near that rabble.

Has any Wests Tigers coach (apart from Cleary) ever had another 1st grade job after finishing with us? Honestly, i would be surprised if any coach with options or an eye on the future would come to us. It is not a stepping stone to a great career, it is the last stop on the way out.

That's the way it's looking .....very drastic😢

 

[rustycage]

Summed up perfectly by no one at dummy half. That play Joffa dented the line got a quick okay the ball, one metre out with he game on the line, and Boone at dummy half. Sums up this team perfectly. No ability do the 1%ers, and no winners in the side that will lift when needed.

Wasn't that Blore watching on? Literally watching the whole nobody at dummy half thing unfold and he did nothing about it. I mean, wasn't he captain of NSW juniors? I dunno, I would have thought he'd be more switched on than that. What happens when they put on a WT jersey? Do they get a lobotomy at the point of signing the contract?

 

[TrueTiger]

Summed up perfectly by no one at dummy half. That play Joffa dented the line got a quick okay the ball, one metre out with he game on the line, and Boone at dummy half. Sums up this team perfectly. No ability do the 1%ers, and no winners in the side that will lift when needed.

Wasn't that Blore watching on? Literally watching the whole nobody at dummy half thing unfold and he did nothing about it. I mean, wasn't he captain of NSW juniors? I dunno, I would have thought he'd be more switched on than that. What happens when they put on a WT jersey? Do they get a lobotomy at the point of signing the contract?

I have said it before,this is a young group learning NRL,they were in a very good position to win with Joffas big run getting them close to the line....inexperience,panic and uncertainty found them out...lets hope they learn to support the ball runner when in attack and these simple errors become non existent as they progress....
And yes I was very disappointed with the result especially that they lost Laurie and still had a 10 nil scoreline leading when following the gameplan....
As Madge said in the presser ""they played to the plan in the first half and went away from it in the second half""

 

[trentrunciman]

Somethings wrong if they’re partying till 6am after beating the broncos. Only time I’d party like that would be if we won the comp , as the mamba once said “ rest in the end, not the middle “

 

[Don Kershane]

Part of the problem is that Nofa has misunderstood the meaning of the Tommy R "cattle dog" call and herds the pack into a bunch in the middle and has them looking like confused sheep.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Being at the game last night, it was obvious to me the issue that has been there all the time. Its not the coach, the CEo or anyone else outside the playing group. There is not a real leader amongst them.

Brooks is the wrolds quietest man. Doeuhi had a shocker and shut up shop. Barely spoke. Jake Liddle is quiet and waiting for people to come onto the ball. Each of the forwards are young individual guys that dont have the balls to speak up. No one gets angry, no one screams and shouts.

The one that upsets me the most is Mbye. He is a disgrace of a player with a disgraceful attitude. No talk and not a leaders sphincter.

There isnt anyone to speak up with common sense when some dickhead comes up with a short drop out - twice. There isnt anyone yelling at th players when they play the ball on the oppositions line with no dummy half.

It isnt the fault of others. The players need to take ownership of their performances and someone has to have the balls to shout, speak up, get angry smash some faces and hold them accountable.

Brilliantly said. And people keep saying lets not get an older player etc. We lack a true leader in the team.
Hastings might be that but outside of that no idea who else can fill the void we are stuffed in that department atm.

 

[Shooter Mcgavin]

Low percentage plays galore. If a quick easy fix was the answer we wouldn’t be finals-less for 10 years running.

For two less than average field goal kickers to take shots from 40+ metres out is so idiotic not to mention all the rest (e.g. short drop out as a team that bleeds 90ish% of the time someone starts a set within 20 metres out)

Lack of effort off the ball - no support play, lack of line speed in D.

 

[PJASLR5000]

What this team needs is to coached into doing the fundamentals over,over,over again, There roles need to be simplified that when we are at this end of the park get into this position. Take all thinking away from most of them. Leave The decision making to just a couple Douhie Laurie Brooks. They need to run the same simple plays over and over again so they can do it in there sleep. If you can’t follow simple fundamentals then you get punted. If it is the decision makers calling the wrong shots then they get punted. But the biggest thing which they don’t show is accountability for there errors. All that will get us out this situation is hard work and being smart about it.

 

[earl]

the players last night had every opportunity to win and they didn’t get it done.

How do you explain the following factors:-

1. No hooker on the bench to replace Liddle.
2. The short drop outs
3. Luc never getting interchanged

These issues are all poor tactics. That is the domain of the coach.

I'm not even stating sack the coach but it's clear that he is struggling with tactics. It's pretty unacceptable as a first grade coach to make those mistakes.

 

[earl]

Low percentage plays galore.

You don't go for trick shots if you are the better team. You grind them into dust.

 

[barra]

Been saying we are a dumb team for a while now, and not just this season.

Thing is, these days players make grade more for their physical attributes than footy nous. For us, every signing for the next while must be smart players - not just because they have the right build for the position we need them in.

We need to balance the intelligence ledger in this team and the next few signings are absolutely critical because of this.

 

[tigerap]

Being at the game last night, it was obvious to me the issue that has been there all the time. Its not the coach, the CEo or anyone else outside the playing group. There is not a real leader amongst them.

Brooks is the wrolds quietest man. Doeuhi had a shocker and shut up shop. Barely spoke. Jake Liddle is quiet and waiting for people to come onto the ball. Each of the forwards are young individual guys that dont have the balls to speak up. No one gets angry, no one screams and shouts.

The one that upsets me the most is Mbye. He is a disgrace of a player with a disgraceful attitude. No talk and not a leaders sphincter.

There isnt anyone to speak up with common sense when some dickhead comes up with a short drop out - twice. There isnt anyone yelling at th players when they play the ball on the oppositions line with no dummy half.

It isnt the fault of others. The players need to take ownership of their performances and someone has to have the balls to shout, speak up, get angry smash some faces and hold them accountable.

Brilliantly said. And people keep saying lets not get an older player etc. We lack a true leader in the team.
Hastings might be that but outside of that no idea who else can fill the void we are stuffed in that department atm.

We need Gutho….

 

[Telltails]

the players last night had every opportunity to win and they didn’t get it done.

How do you explain the following factors:-

1. No hooker on the bench to replace Liddle.
2. The short drop outs
3. Luc never getting interchanged

These issues are all poor tactics. That is the domain of the coach.

I'm not even stating sack the coach but it's clear that he is struggling with tactics. It's pretty unacceptable as a first grade coach to make those mistakes.

They had enough field position and possession in that game but they failed to execute. That's a performance issue. Mybe would have gone to DH if it hadn't been for Laurie' s injury and Cheekham to centre. I don't know about the short kick offs but like all kicks they are no good without a chase and again that is attitude and effort. Maguire is failing the results show - but no excuses for the players last night. That game was there to be won.

 

[Telltails]

They are first grade players for godsake. They had every opportunity to win that game just by playing smart footy. That was not a coaching issue tonight that was a team of rudderless dumb arses. Maguire may pay the penalty for that performance, but they were not outcoached or out played by the opposition they beat themselves through stupidity.

Only good preparation can increase the mental toughness and resilience that a few of you are criticising the players for having an absence of. This comes from coaching.
The reinforcements of standards and attitude also stems from coaching, as does encouragement and inspiration.
So stop allotting all blame to the players when tactical and mental preparation derives from the coaching staff's ability to utilise correct tactical and mental preparation methods suited to the team - based on their capability.
Their game plans, strategies (including risk management) and goals are also set under the directive of the him too. So rather than deflect how poor we are due to Madge's systems, at least recognise that he too is responsible for promoting team trust and interaction/cooperation, which we seldom see in a positive light. Then maybe you'd realise that the simple duty of not refining and modifying most of these aspects is the crux of our problems.

We aren't in a position to change all our playing group but we also aren't exactly powerless to change these problems either. Only the coach and his staff can control this. So c'mon what's everyone doing as it's clear the man needs a helping hand with everything.
It's only further humiliating the team (and fans) to continue to persist with it.

Edit : I do think the senior players deserve harsh criticism for poor leadership however, as they not only help reinforce Madge's standards etc they are also responsible for bringing the group together and helping with team cohesion.

Too analytical Lauren. I have never heard a quality player from any team not own a poor performance. That is the only mentality that will change our path and until we develop.a squad of players who own their performances and mean it - more of the same.

A quality player from a quality team is surrounded by and rewarded by excellence.
We look so clueless and uninspired from continuing to select struggling players and not changing tactics. It makes us look like the main attraction in this year's bloody circus.

I get what you're saying, but when the person responsible for managing the team's collective efficacy, group accountability and ability to reset focus is unable to get the team all on the same page it's still his fault regardless how you see it.

I don't think it's just Madge though and feel there's leadership problems from the top - that there's a few who've dropped the ball and are not fulfilling their roles/duties.

Having no dummy half when you are attacking the opposition line with game on the line - sums up this squad. That is not a coaching issue - at FG level that was unacceptable. FG players have to be able to think for themselves during a game a coach can't be responsible for that. They get paid well to represent the club that comes with some ownership of their individual performance.
Maguire may have failed at assembling a squad good enough to compete in the competition and that may cost him the job, but the players last night had every opportunity to win and they didn't get it done.

No offence but I think people within the club are also hindering his capacity to attract certain players. Thought his personal targets of Lomax or Brimson were great prospects.

However he keeps picking Liddle and Mbye for that role and I think most of us have realised how unproductive that's been for the team.
Yeah I agree from our key players (in our spine) there's a lack of control and a commanding presence required to direct the team out of trouble. But they also aren't surrounded by the best support players in the forwards or our backs and are also restricted too.
I blame the club for not giving us the team we need to compete and perform at a better standard.

Don't like that we've basically one leader in the team and actually stated a few days ago that since losing Benji, Lawrence, Taylor and Eisenhuth there's a great big leadership void.

I feel you're oversimplifying it a little too as despite how you personally regard it, each individual player simply has to own their role or part in the team by either a) promoting the ball or b) defending their line. The coaching staff sets the structures and is served with preparing them. And they're not effectively getting the job done for the team or improving it but IMO it's often looked like we haven't always had the right team on the field.
Even the interchanges are worrisome, as when someone's usually kept on too long and off their feet, he is then always the person responsible for letting in a try.

The difference between the best teams and the rest is that they have a nucleus of players that have the attributes to execute game plans and control games through adversity and we dont.

 

[Lauren]

They are first grade players for godsake. They had every opportunity to win that game just by playing smart footy. That was not a coaching issue tonight that was a team of rudderless dumb arses. Maguire may pay the penalty for that performance, but they were not outcoached or out played by the opposition they beat themselves through stupidity.

Only good preparation can increase the mental toughness and resilience that a few of you are criticising the players for having an absence of. This comes from coaching.
The reinforcements of standards and attitude also stems from coaching, as does encouragement and inspiration.
So stop allotting all blame to the players when tactical and mental preparation derives from the coaching staff's ability to utilise correct tactical and mental preparation methods suited to the team - based on their capability.
Their game plans, strategies (including risk management) and goals are also set under the directive of the him too. So rather than deflect how poor we are due to Madge's systems, at least recognise that he too is responsible for promoting team trust and interaction/cooperation, which we seldom see in a positive light. Then maybe you'd realise that the simple duty of not refining and modifying most of these aspects is the crux of our problems.

We aren't in a position to change all our playing group but we also aren't exactly powerless to change these problems either. Only the coach and his staff can control this. So c'mon what's everyone doing as it's clear the man needs a helping hand with everything.
It's only further humiliating the team (and fans) to continue to persist with it.

Edit : I do think the senior players deserve harsh criticism for poor leadership however, as they not only help reinforce Madge's standards etc they are also responsible for bringing the group together and helping with team cohesion.

Too analytical Lauren. I have never heard a quality player from any team not own a poor performance. That is the only mentality that will change our path and until we develop.a squad of players who own their performances and mean it - more of the same.

A quality player from a quality team is surrounded by and rewarded by excellence.
We look so clueless and uninspired from continuing to select struggling players and not changing tactics. It makes us look like the main attraction in this year's bloody circus.

I get what you're saying, but when the person responsible for managing the team's collective efficacy, group accountability and ability to reset focus is unable to get the team all on the same page it's still his fault regardless how you see it.

I don't think it's just Madge though and feel there's leadership problems from the top - that there's a few who've dropped the ball and are not fulfilling their roles/duties.

Having no dummy half when you are attacking the opposition line with game on the line - sums up this squad. That is not a coaching issue - at FG level that was unacceptable. FG players have to be able to think for themselves during a game a coach can't be responsible for that. They get paid well to represent the club that comes with some ownership of their individual performance.
Maguire may have failed at assembling a squad good enough to compete in the competition and that may cost him the job, but the players last night had every opportunity to win and they didn't get it done.

No offence but I think people within the club are also hindering his capacity to attract certain players. Thought his personal targets of Lomax or Brimson were great prospects.

However he keeps picking Liddle and Mbye for that role and I think most of us have realised how unproductive that's been for the team.
Yeah I agree from our key players (in our spine) there's a lack of control and a commanding presence required to direct the team out of trouble. But they also aren't surrounded by the best support players in the forwards or our backs and are also restricted too.
I blame the club for not giving us the team we need to compete and perform at a better standard.

Don't like that we've basically one leader in the team and actually stated a few days ago that since losing Benji, Lawrence, Taylor and Eisenhuth there's a great big leadership void.

I feel you're oversimplifying it a little too as despite how you personally regard it, each individual player simply has to own their role or part in the team by either a) promoting the ball or b) defending their line. The coaching staff sets the structures and is served with preparing them. And they're not effectively getting the job done for the team or improving it but IMO it's often looked like we haven't always had the right team on the field.
Even the interchanges are worrisome, as when someone's usually kept on too long and off their feet, he is then always the person responsible for letting in a try.

The difference between the best teams and the rest is that they have a nucleus of players that have the attributes to execute game plans and control games through adversity and we dont.

Thanks for the healthy debate but this is where I bow out.
Look at all the effort we put into being heard in showing our support to the team/coach/players or whoever and we only wind up getting into the same arguments with someone else that is just as frustrated as us?
Was good to hear your perspective though.

 

[Swordy]

Summed up perfectly by no one at dummy half. That play Joffa dented the line got a quick okay the ball, one metre out with he game on the line, and Boone at dummy half. Sums up this team perfectly. No ability do the 1%ers, and no winners in the side that will lift when needed.

That's on Madge for picking Liddle to play 80 minutes when he clearly can't do it effectively.

Thats unreasonable. Youre in minutes 76, Liddle was at dummy half the play before 30m away (and the previous 3 out of 4 play the balls....). Literally 8 other players in between him and the play the ball, including, Brooks, Mbye and others. And it's Liddles fault?

 

[jadtiger]

Summed up perfectly by no one at dummy half. That play Joffa dented the line got a quick okay the ball, one metre out with he game on the line, and Boone at dummy half. Sums up this team perfectly. No ability do the 1%ers, and no winners in the side that will lift when needed.

That's on Madge for picking Liddle to play 80 minutes when he clearly can't do it effectively.

Thats unreasonable. Youre in minutes 76, Liddle was at dummy half the play before 30m away (and the previous 3 out of 4 play the balls....). Literally 8 other players in between him and the play the ball, including, Brooks, Mbye and others. And it's Liddles fault?

Well said, Liddle has his faults but that was not his error

 

[JC99]

Summed up perfectly by no one at dummy half. That play Joffa dented the line got a quick okay the ball, one metre out with he game on the line, and Boone at dummy half. Sums up this team perfectly. No ability do the 1%ers, and no winners in the side that will lift when needed.

That's on Madge for picking Liddle to play 80 minutes when he clearly can't do it effectively.

Thats unreasonable. Youre in minutes 76, Liddle was at dummy half the play before 30m away (and the previous 3 out of 4 play the balls....). Literally 8 other players in between him and the play the ball, including, Brooks, Mbye and others. And it's Liddles fault?

Of course it's liddles fault, he's the dummy half. Watch the play, he passes it then doesn't even bother following the ball because he's tired, good hookers don't do that

Madge shouldn't have him out there for 80 minutes ever again

 

[Swordy]

Summed up perfectly by no one at dummy half. That play Joffa dented the line got a quick okay the ball, one metre out with he game on the line, and Boone at dummy half. Sums up this team perfectly. No ability do the 1%ers, and no winners in the side that will lift when needed.

That's on Madge for picking Liddle to play 80 minutes when he clearly can't do it effectively.

Thats unreasonable. Youre in minutes 76, Liddle was at dummy half the play before 30m away (and the previous 3 out of 4 play the balls....). Literally 8 other players in between him and the play the ball, including, Brooks, Mbye and others. And it's Liddles fault?

Of course it's liddles fault, he's the dummy half. Watch the play, he passes it then doesn't even bother following the ball because he's tired, good hookers don't do that

Madge shouldn't have him out there for 80 minutes ever again

We will agree to disagree. 🙂