Completely unacceptable: ramifications

[clontarfkid]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

The game plans don't help

No such thing as a game plan v the storm ..
Unless you call holding the ball and staying in the field of play a game plan lol ?


The game is won in the collision and from the outset we are back to the passive defensive structures.

Backtracking and crabbing ..we ain’t got the cattle atm to take on top teams

Agree Hobbo. Let me ask you, do you think we will ever? Serious question. If so, how? Maybe I'm missing something. I hope I am.

Probably not .
Every comp needs a basket case to hone there skills on ..
Unfortunately we’re that basket case

Hard to believe we have won 5 games, but I am seriously concerned about the bye.

Bye always turn up against us.

At least the bye is consistent, this is who it is !?

We'll probably lose the bye in extra time as a cosequence of a refs 6 again!

 

[cochise]

It is unacceptable.

Our coaching is not good enough. Our recruitment is not good enough. Our players are not good enough.

How players can put in no effort. How can they not ever have any line speed. How can they still not have a clue how to shut down offloads.

The same things have been killing us for a decade and there's still no progress

And yet so many different players during this time also, some very experienced, some rep players, some rookies - how can this still be with so many different team line ups? It’s like anyone that comes through the gates at Concord immediately becomes clueless on the basics of rugby league, despite many of them playing quite well for years previously. I just don’t get this at all.

It depends the type of people you get in, some people are followers and some people are leaders. When you remove a follower from a good system, even though they are doing well, they will follow the culture of the club they arrive at. So for example you could pull someone out of Melbourne and dump them in the Tigers squad and they will follow the poor systems at the Tigers because that's what followers do, in Melbourne they were following the systems and players that excel.

The aim is to find the leaders, people who demand excellence where ever they are and have the ability to maintain their own and drive the standards of others.

Yes good point Cochise, I was hoping that Tamou would’ve provided some of that leadership since he’s played at the highest level and captained a team to the GF only last season. I had hoped that players in previous years like Reynolds, Anasta, Matulino, Ballin and even Mbye would’ve been that as well, having been strong leaders in their previous teams, but they all failed miserably here. Don’t know who else to look for at this stage, I don’t think anyone, player or coach, can turn us around.

I think it is because the majority of those are followers or past their best. I think Tamou is a tremendous leader but is struggling with the lack of quality around him and needs to lift his game on the field. His interview last night screamed leadership, its just whether he still has the game to carry the players with him.

 

[BAGNF05]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

We've gone backwards under Maguire. Many of the squad you've described are his selections.

Correct, but who else can he use? We have very little depth in the club.

Our depth is better than a lot of clubs.

Full of average players at best. Why do you think most of our plodders keep their position every week? There sin't anyone pushing to take their place.

Reserve grade is running 2nd, but I actually think that is part of the problem, a lot of players too good for reserve grade but not good enough for 1sts


No one in KOEC is actually pushing for a first grade spot. That's a major issue.

Cos we paid too much for duds so we have to pick them or management looks bad.

 

[mike]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

We've gone backwards under Maguire. Many of the squad you've described are his selections.

Correct, but who else can he use? We have very little depth in the club.

Our depth is better than a lot of clubs.

Full of average players at best. Why do you think most of our plodders keep their position every week? There sin't anyone pushing to take their place.

Reserve grade is running 2nd, but I actually think that is part of the problem, a lot of players too good for reserve grade but not good enough for 1sts


No one in KOEC is actually pushing for a first grade spot. That's a major issue.

Cos we paid too much for duds so we have to pick them or management looks bad.

Well partly true but the KOEC team doesn't actually inspire you to pick them for NRL. Sure they are doing well in the KOEC but there are no real stand-outs that you would say he has to be in first grade. They all have deficiencies in one area or another.

 

[BAGNF05]

It is unacceptable.

Our coaching is not good enough. Our recruitment is not good enough. Our players are not good enough.

How players can put in no effort. How can they not ever have any line speed. How can they still not have a clue how to shut down offloads.

The same things have been killing us for a decade and there's still no progress

And yet so many different players during this time also, some very experienced, some rep players, some rookies - how can this still be with so many different team line ups? It’s like anyone that comes through the gates at Concord immediately becomes clueless on the basics of rugby league, despite many of them playing quite well for years previously. I just don’t get this at all.

It depends the type of people you get in, some people are followers and some people are leaders. When you remove a follower from a good system, even though they are doing well, they will follow the culture of the club they arrive at. So for example you could pull someone out of Melbourne and dump them in the Tigers squad and they will follow the poor systems at the Tigers because that's what followers do, in Melbourne they were following the systems and players that excel.

The aim is to find the leaders, people who demand excellence where ever they are and have the ability to maintain their own and drive the standards of others.

Yes good point Cochise, I was hoping that Tamou would’ve provided some of that leadership since he’s played at the highest level and captained a team to the GF only last season. I had hoped that players in previous years like Reynolds, Anasta, Matulino, Ballin and even Mbye would’ve been that as well, having been strong leaders in their previous teams, but they all failed miserably here. Don’t know who else to look for at this stage, I don’t think anyone, player or coach, can turn us around.

I think it is because the majority of those are followers or past their best. I think Tamou is a tremendous leader but is struggling with the lack of quality around him and needs to lift his game on the field. His interview last night screamed leadership, its just whether he still has the game to carry the players with him.

I agreed with Ennis comments to Cronk after the game. Who are Tamou’s lieutenants? Who does he grab this week and ask them to help him drive higher standards? Luciano? Jet? BJ? Brooks? Nofa? Garner? Mbye? Packer? Who signed so many obvious non-leaders and thought it could possibly work?

 

[Demps]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

We've gone backwards under Maguire. Many of the squad you've described are his selections.

Correct, but who else can he use? We have very little depth in the club.

Our depth is better than a lot of clubs.

Full of average players at best. Why do you think most of our plodders keep their position every week? There sin't anyone pushing to take their place.

Reserve grade is running 2nd, but I actually think that is part of the problem, a lot of players too good for reserve grade but not good enough for 1sts


No one in KOEC is actually pushing for a first grade spot. That's a major issue.

Cos we paid too much for duds so we have to pick them or management looks bad.


Well partly true but the KOEC team doesn't actually inspire you to pick them for NRL. Sure they are doing well in the KOEC but there are no real stand-outs that you would say he has to be in first grade. They all have deficiencies in one area or another.


 

[Demps]

It is unacceptable.

Our coaching is not good enough. Our recruitment is not good enough. Our players are not good enough.

How players can put in no effort. How can they not ever have any line speed. How can they still not have a clue how to shut down offloads.

The same things have been killing us for a decade and there's still no progress

And yet so many different players during this time also, some very experienced, some rep players, some rookies - how can this still be with so many different team line ups? It’s like anyone that comes through the gates at Concord immediately becomes clueless on the basics of rugby league, despite many of them playing quite well for years previously. I just don’t get this at all.

It depends the type of people you get in, some people are followers and some people are leaders. When you remove a follower from a good system, even though they are doing well, they will follow the culture of the club they arrive at. So for example you could pull someone out of Melbourne and dump them in the Tigers squad and they will follow the poor systems at the Tigers because that's what followers do, in Melbourne they were following the systems and players that excel.

The aim is to find the leaders, people who demand excellence where ever they are and have the ability to maintain their own and drive the standards of others.

Yes good point Cochise, I was hoping that Tamou would’ve provided some of that leadership since he’s played at the highest level and captained a team to the GF only last season. I had hoped that players in previous years like Reynolds, Anasta, Matulino, Ballin and even Mbye would’ve been that as well, having been strong leaders in their previous teams, but they all failed miserably here. Don’t know who else to look for at this stage, I don’t think anyone, player or coach, can turn us around.

I think it is because the majority of those are followers or past their best. I think Tamou is a tremendous leader but is struggling with the lack of quality around him and needs to lift his game on the field. His interview last night screamed leadership, its just whether he still has the game to carry the players with him.

I agreed with Ennis comments to Cronk after the game. Who are Tamou’s lieutenants? Who does he grab this week and ask them to help him drive higher standards? Luciano? Jet? BJ? Brooks? Nofa? Garner? Mbye? Packer? Who signed so many obvious non-leaders and thought it could possibly work?


 

[mike]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

We've gone backwards under Maguire. Many of the squad you've described are his selections.

Correct, but who else can he use? We have very little depth in the club.

Our depth is better than a lot of clubs.

Full of average players at best. Why do you think most of our plodders keep their position every week? There sin't anyone pushing to take their place.

Reserve grade is running 2nd, but I actually think that is part of the problem, a lot of players too good for reserve grade but not good enough for 1sts


No one in KOEC is actually pushing for a first grade spot. That's a major issue.

Cos we paid too much for duds so we have to pick them or management looks bad.


Well partly true but the KOEC team doesn't actually inspire you to pick them for NRL. Sure they are doing well in the KOEC but there are no real stand-outs that you would say he has to be in first grade. They all have deficiencies in one area or another.


His time will come and I am very much looking forward to that. But I don't think he is ready yet. Haven't watch the last few games of KOEC so he may have developed further than my assessment.

 

[BAGNF05]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

We've gone backwards under Maguire. Many of the squad you've described are his selections.

Correct, but who else can he use? We have very little depth in the club.

Our depth is better than a lot of clubs.

Full of average players at best. Why do you think most of our plodders keep their position every week? There sin't anyone pushing to take their place.

Reserve grade is running 2nd, but I actually think that is part of the problem, a lot of players too good for reserve grade but not good enough for 1sts


No one in KOEC is actually pushing for a first grade spot. That's a major issue.

Cos we paid too much for duds so we have to pick them or management looks bad.


Well partly true but the KOEC team doesn't actually inspire you to pick them for NRL. Sure they are doing well in the KOEC but there are no real stand-outs that you would say he has to be in first grade. They all have deficiencies in one area or another.

There is such a large step up that’s the issue. Guys are putting up good numbers and winning in reggies, that’s really all they can do. Madge and co have so much invested in some of the “first graders” they can’t afford to drop them. It’s a face saving exercise because the club’s reputation is so weak already. Surely now you just elevate tuki and tuilagi and one of the outside backs and hope one or two of them are up to it.

 

[mike]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

We've gone backwards under Maguire. Many of the squad you've described are his selections.

Correct, but who else can he use? We have very little depth in the club.

Our depth is better than a lot of clubs.

Full of average players at best. Why do you think most of our plodders keep their position every week? There sin't anyone pushing to take their place.

Reserve grade is running 2nd, but I actually think that is part of the problem, a lot of players too good for reserve grade but not good enough for 1sts


No one in KOEC is actually pushing for a first grade spot. That's a major issue.

Cos we paid too much for duds so we have to pick them or management looks bad.


Well partly true but the KOEC team doesn't actually inspire you to pick them for NRL. Sure they are doing well in the KOEC but there are no real stand-outs that you would say he has to be in first grade. They all have deficiencies in one area or another.

There is such a large step up that’s the issue. Guys are putting up good numbers and winning in reggies, that’s really all they can do. Madge and co have so much invested in some of the “first graders” they can’t afford to drop them. It’s a face saving exercise because the club’s reputation is so weak already. Surely now you just elevate tuki and tuilagi and one of the outside backs and hope one or two of them are up to it.

Sink or swim time?

 

[TheDaBoss]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

We've gone backwards under Maguire. Many of the squad you've described are his selections.

Correct, but who else can he use? We have very little depth in the club.

Our depth is better than a lot of clubs.

Full of average players at best. Why do you think most of our plodders keep their position every week? There sin't anyone pushing to take their place.

Reserve grade is running 2nd, but I actually think that is part of the problem, a lot of players too good for reserve grade but not good enough for 1sts


No one in KOEC is actually pushing for a first grade spot. That's a major issue.

Cos we paid too much for duds so we have to pick them or management looks bad.


Well partly true but the KOEC team doesn't actually inspire you to pick them for NRL. Sure they are doing well in the KOEC but there are no real stand-outs that you would say he has to be in first grade. They all have deficiencies in one area or another.

There is such a large step up that’s the issue. Guys are putting up good numbers and winning in reggies, that’s really all they can do. Madge and co have so much invested in some of the “first graders” they can’t afford to drop them. It’s a face saving exercise because the club’s reputation is so weak already. Surely now you just elevate tuki and tuilagi and one of the outside backs and hope one or two of them are up to it.


Sink or swim time?

Chuck a debut to some blokes

Whats the worst that could happen? We losd bg 60

 

[BAGNF05]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

We've gone backwards under Maguire. Many of the squad you've described are his selections.

Correct, but who else can he use? We have very little depth in the club.

Our depth is better than a lot of clubs.

Full of average players at best. Why do you think most of our plodders keep their position every week? There sin't anyone pushing to take their place.

Reserve grade is running 2nd, but I actually think that is part of the problem, a lot of players too good for reserve grade but not good enough for 1sts


No one in KOEC is actually pushing for a first grade spot. That's a major issue.

Cos we paid too much for duds so we have to pick them or management looks bad.


Well partly true but the KOEC team doesn't actually inspire you to pick them for NRL. Sure they are doing well in the KOEC but there are no real stand-outs that you would say he has to be in first grade. They all have deficiencies in one area or another.

There is such a large step up that’s the issue. Guys are putting up good numbers and winning in reggies, that’s really all they can do. Madge and co have so much invested in some of the “first graders” they can’t afford to drop them. It’s a face saving exercise because the club’s reputation is so weak already. Surely now you just elevate tuki and tuilagi and one of the outside backs and hope one or two of them are up to it.


Sink or swim time?

Chuck a debut to some blokes

Whats the worst that could happen? We losd bg 60

Exactly. Didn’t we already sink?

 

[mike]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

We've gone backwards under Maguire. Many of the squad you've described are his selections.

Correct, but who else can he use? We have very little depth in the club.

Our depth is better than a lot of clubs.

Full of average players at best. Why do you think most of our plodders keep their position every week? There sin't anyone pushing to take their place.

Reserve grade is running 2nd, but I actually think that is part of the problem, a lot of players too good for reserve grade but not good enough for 1sts


No one in KOEC is actually pushing for a first grade spot. That's a major issue.

Cos we paid too much for duds so we have to pick them or management looks bad.


Well partly true but the KOEC team doesn't actually inspire you to pick them for NRL. Sure they are doing well in the KOEC but there are no real stand-outs that you would say he has to be in first grade. They all have deficiencies in one area or another.

There is such a large step up that’s the issue. Guys are putting up good numbers and winning in reggies, that’s really all they can do. Madge and co have so much invested in some of the “first graders” they can’t afford to drop them. It’s a face saving exercise because the club’s reputation is so weak already. Surely now you just elevate tuki and tuilagi and one of the outside backs and hope one or two of them are up to it.


Sink or swim time?

Chuck a debut to some blokes

Whats the worst that could happen? We losd bg 60

The worse that can happen is you could put the young blokes in too early and destroy their career. It's not about us losing in this case but bring juniors through when you know they can handle it.

 

[BAGNF05]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

We've gone backwards under Maguire. Many of the squad you've described are his selections.

Correct, but who else can he use? We have very little depth in the club.

Our depth is better than a lot of clubs.

Full of average players at best. Why do you think most of our plodders keep their position every week? There sin't anyone pushing to take their place.

Reserve grade is running 2nd, but I actually think that is part of the problem, a lot of players too good for reserve grade but not good enough for 1sts


No one in KOEC is actually pushing for a first grade spot. That's a major issue.

Cos we paid too much for duds so we have to pick them or management looks bad.


Well partly true but the KOEC team doesn't actually inspire you to pick them for NRL. Sure they are doing well in the KOEC but there are no real stand-outs that you would say he has to be in first grade. They all have deficiencies in one area or another.

There is such a large step up that’s the issue. Guys are putting up good numbers and winning in reggies, that’s really all they can do. Madge and co have so much invested in some of the “first graders” they can’t afford to drop them. It’s a face saving exercise because the club’s reputation is so weak already. Surely now you just elevate tuki and tuilagi and one of the outside backs and hope one or two of them are up to it.


Sink or swim time?

Chuck a debut to some blokes

Whats the worst that could happen? We losd bg 60


The worse that can happen is you could put the young blokes in too early and destroy their career. It's not about us losing in this case but bring juniors through when you know they can handle it.

Mate until we change our senior guys that’s what will confront young blokes at Wests Tigers I’m afraid. We’ve already put a dint in Laurie’s career which started well, Seyfarth is probably next.

 

[mike]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

We've gone backwards under Maguire. Many of the squad you've described are his selections.

Correct, but who else can he use? We have very little depth in the club.

Our depth is better than a lot of clubs.

Full of average players at best. Why do you think most of our plodders keep their position every week? There sin't anyone pushing to take their place.

Reserve grade is running 2nd, but I actually think that is part of the problem, a lot of players too good for reserve grade but not good enough for 1sts


No one in KOEC is actually pushing for a first grade spot. That's a major issue.

Cos we paid too much for duds so we have to pick them or management looks bad.


Well partly true but the KOEC team doesn't actually inspire you to pick them for NRL. Sure they are doing well in the KOEC but there are no real stand-outs that you would say he has to be in first grade. They all have deficiencies in one area or another.

There is such a large step up that’s the issue. Guys are putting up good numbers and winning in reggies, that’s really all they can do. Madge and co have so much invested in some of the “first graders” they can’t afford to drop them. It’s a face saving exercise because the club’s reputation is so weak already. Surely now you just elevate tuki and tuilagi and one of the outside backs and hope one or two of them are up to it.


Sink or swim time?

Chuck a debut to some blokes

Whats the worst that could happen? We losd bg 60

Exactly. Didn’t we already sink?

I wasn't talking about the NRL team but the juniors you would start in NRL. Are they ready? If not what do you think would happen to them, brining them into this NRL squad?

 

[BAGNF05]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

We've gone backwards under Maguire. Many of the squad you've described are his selections.

Correct, but who else can he use? We have very little depth in the club.

Our depth is better than a lot of clubs.

Full of average players at best. Why do you think most of our plodders keep their position every week? There sin't anyone pushing to take their place.

Reserve grade is running 2nd, but I actually think that is part of the problem, a lot of players too good for reserve grade but not good enough for 1sts


No one in KOEC is actually pushing for a first grade spot. That's a major issue.

Cos we paid too much for duds so we have to pick them or management looks bad.


Well partly true but the KOEC team doesn't actually inspire you to pick them for NRL. Sure they are doing well in the KOEC but there are no real stand-outs that you would say he has to be in first grade. They all have deficiencies in one area or another.

There is such a large step up that’s the issue. Guys are putting up good numbers and winning in reggies, that’s really all they can do. Madge and co have so much invested in some of the “first graders” they can’t afford to drop them. It’s a face saving exercise because the club’s reputation is so weak already. Surely now you just elevate tuki and tuilagi and one of the outside backs and hope one or two of them are up to it.


Sink or swim time?

Chuck a debut to some blokes

Whats the worst that could happen? We losd bg 60

Exactly. Didn’t we already sink?

I wasn't talking about the NRL team but the juniors you would start in NRL. Are they ready? If not what do you think would happen to them, brining them into this NRL squad?

We really are in a horrible spot. Going with a youth policy but can’t blood them because we’re so bad.

 

[Leck]

I've just re-watched the game.... Wow, last night was an absolute disaster.

We are now 4th on the list of the most points scored against a team since the NRL comp started in '97. If it wasn't for Melbourne's injuries and Nelson being sent off, we'd be at the top of that list.

Madge hasn't shown that he can't adapt to the new rule changes, manage our roster, the bench, or enforce simple defensive structures.

He's a stubborn coach, it's his way or the highway - which is fine but he can't backup it up.

I can't see a light at the end of the tunnel with Madge, I've been saying this since he lost the locker room last year.

After getting destroyed 66 to 16 it's now clear as day. He needs to go and Ben Gardiner should be given a go as interim coach asap.

 

[Aceshigh]

Yep i would love to see Ben Gardiner with a more hands on gig with the top grade , but info i heard was that Wests Tigers and Wests Magpies are two different entities and seems Ben has nothing to do with Top Grade

 

[mike]

I dont understand how sacking Madge will do anything? He is a proven winner with the right cattle. How many of our current squad would make the starting team in any of the top 8 sides? Hardly any if any. Here in lies the problem.

For years WT have only ever attracted has-beens and the odd plodder. Unfortunately we are not yet to see any youth come through that are quality 1st grade material. I really believe WT are doomed, and as an entity, cannot dig themselves out of the hole the club is in. Relocation offers the only hope as I do not think we will survive too much longer whilst praying and witing for the next crop of superstar juniors come through.

Would Flanagan/Morris & Co turn the career of James Roberts around? Could they make Garner a superstar? Could they get the best out of Moses & Brooks? I can't see it unfortunately. The problem is 100% the players. This I'm certain of.

We have very little speed, players that cannot read defence and we are rudderless in attack. No coach in the NRL (including Bellamy) could fix what we disg out on the field week in week out.

We've gone backwards under Maguire. Many of the squad you've described are his selections.

Correct, but who else can he use? We have very little depth in the club.

Our depth is better than a lot of clubs.

Full of average players at best. Why do you think most of our plodders keep their position every week? There sin't anyone pushing to take their place.

Reserve grade is running 2nd, but I actually think that is part of the problem, a lot of players too good for reserve grade but not good enough for 1sts


No one in KOEC is actually pushing for a first grade spot. That's a major issue.

Cos we paid too much for duds so we have to pick them or management looks bad.


Well partly true but the KOEC team doesn't actually inspire you to pick them for NRL. Sure they are doing well in the KOEC but there are no real stand-outs that you would say he has to be in first grade. They all have deficiencies in one area or another.

There is such a large step up that’s the issue. Guys are putting up good numbers and winning in reggies, that’s really all they can do. Madge and co have so much invested in some of the “first graders” they can’t afford to drop them. It’s a face saving exercise because the club’s reputation is so weak already. Surely now you just elevate tuki and tuilagi and one of the outside backs and hope one or two of them are up to it.


Sink or swim time?

Chuck a debut to some blokes

Whats the worst that could happen? We losd bg 60

Exactly. Didn’t we already sink?

I wasn't talking about the NRL team but the juniors you would start in NRL. Are they ready? If not what do you think would happen to them, brining them into this NRL squad?

We really are in a horrible spot. Going with a youth policy but can’t blood them because we’re so bad.

I wouldn't be starting a whole bunch all at once. But brining them through maybe one or two at a time. Which is what we have been doing to give them a taste. Trouble is no one in the KOEC is really a stand out. You can usually watch the lower grades and say yep he's got it, but none have really shown that. Maybe Simpkin but I really don't think he is even ready. I'd probable give Simpkins a run and maybe Tuilagi. We gave Amone a run but really he was gassed after about 10 minutes. Didn't do much wrong though. In all seriousness that don't really inspire.

 

[TYGA]

The performance was unacceptable. It was expected it will happen every time on dry tracks against the top sides. We don’t have the players. The only way we will get them is through development. The league made a huge mistake with rule changes and not doing anything about funding junior development and a draft spreading talent.