Confirmed: Matterson released from Wests Tigers.

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I love the quote : "Matterson’s agent Gavin Orr if the Tigers lock had failed to show up to training, he responded: “No he’s crook and has doctor’s orders to be off training”. The club insist he was there on Monday.

**Either way, it doesn’t look good, and will have other Tigers squad members questioning the player’s commitment to the cause.**

So, lets say he is sick and does have doctors cert, that still "**doesn't look good**"....... as they say anything for a story and to keep up the clickbait and drama......
 
He’s probably stressed out of his brain and is now sick as a result. He would be horrified at how this has played out in the press.

He looks like a greedy ungrateful disloyal goose, when in fact he is probably just a footy player who is playing well, mid career, wants an upgrade (at the club) and it’s all been blown out of proportion
 
Hopefully if we are applying to have Matulino medically retired, we have an eye to upgrading Matterson first and foremost. That would have to be the number one priority ahead of giving Marshall and Lawrence a swansong.
 
@balmain-boy said in [Matterson unhappy at Tigers?](/post/1064508) said:
>All run metres can be put down to the fact we played a very simple style of footy. Few errors. Just hitting the ball up and doing a weak bomb. A lot of boring sets focusing on trying to get out of our own half and a high completion rate.

It’s no coincidence that every team in the comp has the same basic strategy against us. And have had so for a few years now. Make metres, kick the ball to the corners and make us work it off our line. Knowing that they will win the territory battle and consistently be in a better position to score.

Until we can make meaningful metres and finish our sets with effective kicks we’re going to lose more games than we win. Our backs are very poor at making metres coming off our line. Even Nof was way down this year, and that’s his strongest attribute.

That's every teams strategy against every side.

You've been banging on about the lack of metres, you literally said "metres are our biggest struggle" and now you are saying well what about "meaningful metres". What the hell are meaningful metres?

I don't get your argument. Of course we want to finish sets effectively - that really was my point. The fundamentals are there. Gaining metres in 2019 was not one of our pressing issues, nor was the forward pack lacking to makeoverall metres.

You say that the backs struggled making metres off our line - again, all teams struggle there, but also nobody keeps public stats on "metres gained off your own line", so that's just an opinion without data. You can't quantify or compare with other teams. Certainly, we should be in the market for large wingers that can dominate kick returns, because that is a proven successful formula. Certainly, Nofo, Corey and Jennings are not an ideal team.

I am not against a simple style of footy - that's Madge's decision, so be it. We probably can't be trusted at the moment to play excessively expansive footy. We lack the experience to do this across a whole season.

But Madge did get the team doing the basics right - good completion rates, good running metres overall, good post-contact metres, reduced penalties. Once the team does this on a consistent basis, then you can start adding the other stuff. Yes we were sometimes predictable but we need to sign / unearth better footballers if we want to layer brilliant football onto a dependable baseline. That's the Melbourne Storm blueprint.
 
@GNR4LIFE said in [Matterson unhappy at Tigers?](/post/1064526) said:
Hopefully if we are applying to have Matulino medically retired, we have an eye to upgrading Matterson first and foremost. That would have to be the number one priority ahead of giving Marshall and Lawrence a swansong.

Not at the expense of finding an apt replacement for him, and also another decent three-quarter.
 
@balmain-boy said in [Matterson unhappy at Tigers?](/post/1064461) said:
If the other team have good line speed and get up in our faces (as they usually do) and our players are nearly always standing still when they receive the ball to take a hit up, then by default nearly all the metres made will be post contact.

You're saying players get more PCM by standing flatfooted? That is the opposite of what I understand.

Maybe you mean a higher percentage of the metres will be post-contact, which isný what is being discussed or measured.
 
@GNR4LIFE said in [Matterson unhappy at Tigers?](/post/1064526) said:
Hopefully if we are applying to have Matulino medically retired, we have an eye to upgrading Matterson first and foremost. That would have to be the number one priority ahead of giving Marshall and Lawrence a swansong.

I think Matterson should be made captain for 2020 and beyond.
 
@Newtown said in [Matterson unhappy at Tigers?](/post/1064537) said:
@GNR4LIFE said in [Matterson unhappy at Tigers?](/post/1064526) said:
Hopefully if we are applying to have Matulino medically retired, we have an eye to upgrading Matterson first and foremost. That would have to be the number one priority ahead of giving Marshall and Lawrence a swansong.

I think Matterson should be made captain for 2020 and beyond.

If he's here.
 
@Newtown said in [Matterson unhappy at Tigers?](/post/1064537) said:
@GNR4LIFE said in [Matterson unhappy at Tigers?](/post/1064526) said:
Hopefully if we are applying to have Matulino medically retired, we have an eye to upgrading Matterson first and foremost. That would have to be the number one priority ahead of giving Marshall and Lawrence a swansong.

I think Matterson should be made captain for 2020 and beyond.

I would have agreed 3 weeks ago. Not sure it sends a great message now.
 
@Masterton said in [Matterson unhappy at Tigers?](/post/1064536) said:
@balmain-boy said in [Matterson unhappy at Tigers?](/post/1064461) said:
If the other team have good line speed and get up in our faces (as they usually do) and our players are nearly always standing still when they receive the ball to take a hit up, then by default nearly all the metres made will be post contact.

You're saying players get more PCM by standing flatfooted? That is the opposite of what I understand.

Maybe you mean a higher percentage of the metres will be post-contact, which isný what is being discussed or measured.

2 different sorts of post contact metres. The best ones are when a powerful runner charges into the line, the defence can't stop him and he keeps charging downfield.

What I was saying is we don't have many of those players. What happens is our boys don't run onto the ball, and the opposition usually have good line speed, therefore a second after our boys catch the ball they're being swarmed on by defenders. Therefore nearly every metre they make is, by default, post contact.

If they were actually running hard in the first place they would make more pre-contact metres and their post contact metres would be much lower.
 
@WT2K This only serves to confirm in my mind that he has significant mental health issues. Without more details we can't be sure, maybe he's just a sook, or possibly he even has something like bi-polar, which could explain the sudden mood swings and outbursts he's had over his career. The stigmas over mental health would mean his agent would be vague, rather than saying he's got a cold, a niggle etc.

The media scrutiny of all this would be escalating his issues and really there's not that much point in him training to the GF. He's won a comp, he knows what it's about.

Of course nothing to back this up, and he most probably wouldn't even be diagnosed with anything as yet, but he deserves time and space to get his mental health right if this is his actual issue - and not just a trick to try and leave.

it could also explain the apparent bust up over his fitness. Maybe he was physically fit to play, but mentally he wasn't yet the tough old school coach tells him to play through it and the medical team say there's no physical reason why he can't play. Maybe he didn't appreciate being made to play when his head wasn't right...

Just a different line of thought anyways.
 
@balmain-boy said in [Matterson unhappy at Tigers?](/post/1064540) said:
If they were actually running hard in the first place they would make more pre-contact metres and their post contact metres would be much lower.

You've totally lost me. Sure, their pre-contact metres would be higher if they ran hard, but so would their post-contact. That's the way it works. No offence intended, but I think you're trying to support an argument that just isn't true.
 
@dazza65 said in [Matterson unhappy at Tigers?](/post/1064519) said:
@WT2K

I love the quote : "Matterson’s agent Gavin Orr if the Tigers lock had failed to show up to training, he responded: “No he’s crook and has doctor’s orders to be off training”. The club insist he was there on Monday.

**Either way, it doesn’t look good, and will have other Tigers squad members questioning the player’s commitment to the cause.**

So, lets say he is sick and does have doctors cert, that still "**doesn't look good**"....... as they say anything for a story and to keep up the clickbait and drama......

i said the exact same thing when i read that idiotic article. the club says he was there monday and after that he was sick therefore, **you got no story dumb ass**
 
@Masterton said in [Matterson unhappy at Tigers?](/post/1064548) said:
@balmain-boy said in [Matterson unhappy at Tigers?](/post/1064540) said:
If they were actually running hard in the first place they would make more pre-contact metres and their post contact metres would be much lower.

You've totally lost me. Sure, their pre-contact metres would be higher if they ran hard, but so would their post-contact. That's the way it works. No offence intended, but I think you're trying to support an argument that just isn't true.

That's not the way it always works. Sometimes a player runs 100% into the defence, gets smashed and ends up on their backside. Sometimes defences are organised and a player just doesn't have the leg drive to make post contact metres no matter how hard they were running. Sometimes they bust the line. There is no standard outcome.
 
What is going on with the reporting around this? now they are trying to exaggerate stories because he is effectively off work sick. Slow news day.
 
@BalmainJnr said in [Matterson unhappy at Tigers?](/post/1064555) said:
What is going on with the reporting around this? now they are trying to exaggerate stories because he is effectively off work sick. Slow news day.

Running out of Broncos/Burgess things to write about.
So, matto gets a run today lol
 
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And Foxsports gets more hits - so once more the Wests Tigers are their market appeal - we just bring the numbers!
 
not the smart cookies @tiger_one ..we just wait till someone posts on here....one stop Wests Tigers shop...
 
I think it may be the right time to consider that this story has legs and that he wants to go to his uncle Cleary or back to Rooster Nik..
 
Wests Tigers forward Ryan Matterson has requested a leave from training for the remainder of the 2019 season due to personal reasons.

Wests Tigers have granted this request.

The club will be making no further comment at this time.

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2019/09/19/wests-tigers-statement/
 
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