Coronavirus Outbreak

[cochise]

I'm living in HK. It's not fun right now...

I am in Metro Manila And that is Even less fun...just extended ECQ until 30 April..there is also a ban on sale of liquor ..add this to no NRL ?

I hope that ban on traveling to Manila is lifted soon because my wife still needs to get her visa so she can fly here(she is filipino).

Won’t happen at least until after 30April and see how the COVId-19 numbers end up here cause AU may block anyone travel to AU from Manila if they are bad. They have only just started any volume testing this week as had no test kits and started converting anything they can to makeshift hospitals cause they know once they start high volume testing the results will be bad.

It will be longer than that.
Opening for international travel won’t resume until either internationally this is under control or vaccine is available.

I dare say that you could gradually open up travel where countries have been able to suppress the virus. e.g. If Hong Kong and Australia had it under control, they could make an agreement to open it back up for direct flights only.

Would allow for the leisure industry to start back up, albeit with limited options.


You are joking right ... do you actually believe people would not be travelling from main land China and lying all and sundry ... every one wanting to come here would go through Honkers just as they did before .. I trust no one ! Keep the boarders closed .. just as the Chinese students came in from multi countries paid for by our Criminal Universities .

HK was an example. They are not mainland china....yet. I live there and trust their data. If they keep the borders closed with China, they could be an option.

Here is an example of HK's tracking - https://chp-dashboard.geodata.gov.hk/covid-19/en.html. It's good.

All I'm saying is that travel could be opened up gradually by looking at countries that have control over it (if we can trust their data)

That’s part of the problem though, once you open it up to anywhere you effectively create a new border and one that you can’t directly control. Given the economic hit we are taking to get this under control I think we should be very cautious in re-opening travel and risking a further flare up. Get it under control locally, open business back up and then take stock of where the rest of the world is at before considering opening travel.

You could easily rescind that travel if the other country doesn't live up to the controls you're expecting and ensure that people are booking refundable trips. Remember, these countries have proven their ability to implement measures already and it's there in the data.

It's basically the reverse of how it was implemented.

We would have to start the industry somehow. Incrementally is the right way.

Government won't risk it.

Probably right. It will be interesting how travel spins back up. If this all comes to the conclusion of a mass immunisation program, will we be waiting for everyone in the world to immunize first? That's a long, long time away.

No it is likely to be when we have a high level of immunity here!

 

[Tim Sheens]

I'm living in HK. It's not fun right now...

I am in Metro Manila And that is Even less fun...just extended ECQ until 30 April..there is also a ban on sale of liquor ..add this to no NRL ?

I hope that ban on traveling to Manila is lifted soon because my wife still needs to get her visa so she can fly here(she is filipino).

Won’t happen at least until after 30April and see how the COVId-19 numbers end up here cause AU may block anyone travel to AU from Manila if they are bad. They have only just started any volume testing this week as had no test kits and started converting anything they can to makeshift hospitals cause they know once they start high volume testing the results will be bad.

It will be longer than that.
Opening for international travel won’t resume until either internationally this is under control or vaccine is available.

I dare say that you could gradually open up travel where countries have been able to suppress the virus. e.g. If Hong Kong and Australia had it under control, they could make an agreement to open it back up for direct flights only.

Would allow for the leisure industry to start back up, albeit with limited options.


You are joking right ... do you actually believe people would not be travelling from main land China and lying all and sundry ... every one wanting to come here would go through Honkers just as they did before .. I trust no one ! Keep the boarders closed .. just as the Chinese students came in from multi countries paid for by our Criminal Universities .

HK was an example. They are not mainland china....yet. I live there and trust their data. If they keep the borders closed with China, they could be an option.

Here is an example of HK's tracking - https://chp-dashboard.geodata.gov.hk/covid-19/en.html. It's good.

All I'm saying is that travel could be opened up gradually by looking at countries that have control over it (if we can trust their data)

That’s part of the problem though, once you open it up to anywhere you effectively create a new border and one that you can’t directly control. Given the economic hit we are taking to get this under control I think we should be very cautious in re-opening travel and risking a further flare up. Get it under control locally, open business back up and then take stock of where the rest of the world is at before considering opening travel.

You could easily rescind that travel if the other country doesn't live up to the controls you're expecting and ensure that people are booking refundable trips. Remember, these countries have proven their ability to implement measures already and it's there in the data.

It's basically the reverse of how it was implemented.

We would have to start the industry somehow. Incrementally is the right way.

Government won't risk it.

Probably right. It will be interesting how travel spins back up. If this all comes to the conclusion of a mass immunisation program, will we be waiting for everyone in the world to immunize first? That's a long, long time away.

Without taking any sides on Hong Kong in particular, recommencing international travel has to start somewhere and as we are way behind where they are, currently wishing we were as successful, a separated small community and our island nation seem a good fit. I would expect China will be protecting HK from the virus for many reasons, political ones at the forefront.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Border Farce back to escorting au pairs and Dutton finding a bunker.

 

[hammertime]

I'm living in HK. It's not fun right now...

I am in Metro Manila And that is Even less fun...just extended ECQ until 30 April..there is also a ban on sale of liquor ..add this to no NRL ?

I hope that ban on traveling to Manila is lifted soon because my wife still needs to get her visa so she can fly here(she is filipino).

Won’t happen at least until after 30April and see how the COVId-19 numbers end up here cause AU may block anyone travel to AU from Manila if they are bad. They have only just started any volume testing this week as had no test kits and started converting anything they can to makeshift hospitals cause they know once they start high volume testing the results will be bad.

It will be longer than that.
Opening for international travel won’t resume until either internationally this is under control or vaccine is available.

I dare say that you could gradually open up travel where countries have been able to suppress the virus. e.g. If Hong Kong and Australia had it under control, they could make an agreement to open it back up for direct flights only.

Would allow for the leisure industry to start back up, albeit with limited options.


You are joking right ... do you actually believe people would not be travelling from main land China and lying all and sundry ... every one wanting to come here would go through Honkers just as they did before .. I trust no one ! Keep the boarders closed .. just as the Chinese students came in from multi countries paid for by our Criminal Universities .

HK was an example. They are not mainland china....yet. I live there and trust their data. If they keep the borders closed with China, they could be an option.

Here is an example of HK's tracking - https://chp-dashboard.geodata.gov.hk/covid-19/en.html. It's good.

All I'm saying is that travel could be opened up gradually by looking at countries that have control over it (if we can trust their data)

That’s part of the problem though, once you open it up to anywhere you effectively create a new border and one that you can’t directly control. Given the economic hit we are taking to get this under control I think we should be very cautious in re-opening travel and risking a further flare up. Get it under control locally, open business back up and then take stock of where the rest of the world is at before considering opening travel.

You could easily rescind that travel if the other country doesn't live up to the controls you're expecting and ensure that people are booking refundable trips. Remember, these countries have proven their ability to implement measures already and it's there in the data.

It's basically the reverse of how it was implemented.

We would have to start the industry somehow. Incrementally is the right way.

Government won't risk it.

Probably right. It will be interesting how travel spins back up. If this all comes to the conclusion of a mass immunisation program, will we be waiting for everyone in the world to immunize first? That's a long, long time away.

Without taking any sides on Hong Kong in particular, recommencing international travel has to start somewhere and as we are way behind where they are, currently wishing we were as successful, a separated small community and our island nation seem a good fit. I would expect China will be protecting HK from the virus for many reasons, political ones at the forefront.

I think you're right. HK is a good success story for them also. Although, keeping it isolated destroys the narrative of One China. I'm not sure which way they will go. Carrie Lam was reluctant to close the border in the first place and only did so under pressure.

It's really interesting here. I think I mentioned earlier, we did the whole wristband tracking thing when we arrived back. Dept of Health rang us a few times while in quarantine.

Every case is determined, traced to a source of infection and then action taken. Data is all available and made useful. They had a flare-up from a Filipino band in LKF the other day and closed all nightclubs/bars.

They take it all very seriously.

As such, the wife and I are still lucky enough to be able to escape unencumbered for a night away this weekend for the anniversary.

I can see things opening up here by June. I just hope that doesn't mean re-opening the Chinese border.

 

[trentrunciman]

I'm living in HK. It's not fun right now...

I am in Metro Manila And that is Even less fun...just extended ECQ until 30 April..there is also a ban on sale of liquor ..add this to no NRL ?

I hope that ban on traveling to Manila is lifted soon because my wife still needs to get her visa so she can fly here(she is filipino).

Won’t happen at least until after 30April and see how the COVId-19 numbers end up here cause AU may block anyone travel to AU from Manila if they are bad. They have only just started any volume testing this week as had no test kits and started converting anything they can to makeshift hospitals cause they know once they start high volume testing the results will be bad.

It will be longer than that.
Opening for international travel won’t resume until either internationally this is under control or vaccine is available.

I dare say that you could gradually open up travel where countries have been able to suppress the virus. e.g. If Hong Kong and Australia had it under control, they could make an agreement to open it back up for direct flights only.

Would allow for the leisure industry to start back up, albeit with limited options.


You are joking right ... do you actually believe people would not be travelling from main land China and lying all and sundry ... every one wanting to come here would go through Honkers just as they did before .. I trust no one ! Keep the boarders closed .. just as the Chinese students came in from multi countries paid for by our Criminal Universities .

HK was an example. They are not mainland china....yet. I live there and trust their data. If they keep the borders closed with China, they could be an option.

Here is an example of HK's tracking - https://chp-dashboard.geodata.gov.hk/covid-19/en.html. It's good.

All I'm saying is that travel could be opened up gradually by looking at countries that have control over it (if we can trust their data)

That’s part of the problem though, once you open it up to anywhere you effectively create a new border and one that you can’t directly control. Given the economic hit we are taking to get this under control I think we should be very cautious in re-opening travel and risking a further flare up. Get it under control locally, open business back up and then take stock of where the rest of the world is at before considering opening travel.

You could easily rescind that travel if the other country doesn't live up to the controls you're expecting and ensure that people are booking refundable trips. Remember, these countries have proven their ability to implement measures already and it's there in the data.

It's basically the reverse of how it was implemented.

We would have to start the industry somehow. Incrementally is the right way.

Government won't risk it.

Probably right. It will be interesting how travel spins back up. If this all comes to the conclusion of a mass immunisation program, will we be waiting for everyone in the world to immunize first? That's a long, long time away.

Without taking any sides on Hong Kong in particular, recommencing international travel has to start somewhere and as we are way behind where they are, currently wishing we were as successful, a separated small community and our island nation seem a good fit. I would expect China will be protecting HK from the virus for many reasons, political ones at the forefront.

I think you're right. HK is a good success story for them also. Although, keeping it isolated destroys the narrative of One China. I'm not sure which way they will go. Carrie Lam was reluctant to close the border in the first place and only did so under pressure.

It's really interesting here. I think I mentioned earlier, we did the whole wristband tracking thing when we arrived back. Dept of Health rang us a few times while in quarantine.

Every case is determined, traced to a source of infection and then action taken. Data is all available and made useful. They had a flare-up from a Filipino band in LKF the other day and closed all nightclubs/bars.

They take it all very seriously.

As such, the wife and I are still lucky enough to be able to escape unencumbered for a night away this weekend for the anniversary.

I can see things opening up here by June. I just hope that doesn't mean re-opening the Chinese border.

Border to china will be re-open. China is slowly getting back on track too. It's something hopefully will also happen here in Aus. A lot of locals head over to Macau, SZ, SH so it wouldn't be too long. Still in awe of Zhuhai bridge

Haha LKF, closest I'll ever get to LKF is watching Young and Dangerous

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

I'm living in HK. It's not fun right now...

I am in Metro Manila And that is Even less fun...just extended ECQ until 30 April..there is also a ban on sale of liquor ..add this to no NRL ?

I hope that ban on traveling to Manila is lifted soon because my wife still needs to get her visa so she can fly here(she is filipino).

Won’t happen at least until after 30April and see how the COVId-19 numbers end up here cause AU may block anyone travel to AU from Manila if they are bad. They have only just started any volume testing this week as had no test kits and started converting anything they can to makeshift hospitals cause they know once they start high volume testing the results will be bad.

It will be longer than that.
Opening for international travel won’t resume until either internationally this is under control or vaccine is available.

I dare say that you could gradually open up travel where countries have been able to suppress the virus. e.g. If Hong Kong and Australia had it under control, they could make an agreement to open it back up for direct flights only.

Would allow for the leisure industry to start back up, albeit with limited options.

If anything needs to happen our own tourist industry needs desperate help ...surely this has to be our main consideration in the short term

Main consideration is not to flood medical services.
Its not just Covid we are about to hit flu season.
It will last for a while yet. We have been told to support heightened care until September as of last week.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Absolutely crazy that any nation would consider opening their borders. The US alone has 400k cases. Other countries like Italy and Spain are still at 100,000 apiece. All it takes is a few people to come into the country and it spreads like wildfire. No country should even consider opening their borders for the rest of 2020.

 

[cochise]

Absolutely crazy that any nation would consider opening their borders. The US alone has 400k cases. Other countries like Italy and Spain are still at 100,000 apiece. All it takes is a few people to come into the country and it spreads like wildfire. No country should even consider opening their borders for the rest of 2020.

100%

 

[TrueTiger]

I'm living in HK. It's not fun right now...

I am in Metro Manila And that is Even less fun...just extended ECQ until 30 April..there is also a ban on sale of liquor ..add this to no NRL ?

I hope that ban on traveling to Manila is lifted soon because my wife still needs to get her visa so she can fly here(she is filipino).

Won’t happen at least until after 30April and see how the COVId-19 numbers end up here cause AU may block anyone travel to AU from Manila if they are bad. They have only just started any volume testing this week as had no test kits and started converting anything they can to makeshift hospitals cause they know once they start high volume testing the results will be bad.

It will be longer than that.
Opening for international travel won’t resume until either internationally this is under control or vaccine is available.

I dare say that you could gradually open up travel where countries have been able to suppress the virus. e.g. If Hong Kong and Australia had it under control, they could make an agreement to open it back up for direct flights only.

Would allow for the leisure industry to start back up, albeit with limited options.

If anything needs to happen our own tourist industry needs desperate help ...surely this has to be our main consideration in the short term

Main consideration is not to flood medical services.
Its not just Covid we are about to hit flu season.
It will last for a while yet. We have been told to support heightened care until September as of last week.

I have noticed that people are saying to open borders if the infection is under control and we have to get back to normal as soon as we can ..all legitimate claims and positive thinking,however in my opinion,I honestly think that there has to be complete thought into the decisions that will be made,mainly because of,
1..the possibility of re infection if there is no vaccine manufactured yet...
2..the absolute overloading of the hospitals from infected patients,not withstanding they will need help...
3..there are patients who really need hospital help,and I mean the ones who are not affected by the virus but have severe ongoing health problems ie..cancer patients,heart disease, patients,respitory ailments etc etc..

We are all going through the pains of this pandemic in far different ways,people losing jobs,split families,mums and dads not being able to see kids and the list goes on...if anything is to be gained from this,it must be that we have learnt something eg social distancing,limited gathering and isolation have certainly paid dividends on the spread of this virus...are we prepared to open up the communities as we were before just because someone thinks it will be ok or will we all support and heed the advice of the experts in their field,health experts who advise govt for eg..
I think this will be a slow comeback to get to the otherside of this with very few fatalities,lets face it,I would rather stay at home and have a few bourbons than risk going out and unintentionally infecting someone who could die...life is precious and we must always remember that we are all Gods creatures no matter what we do in life,most of us know right from wrong and Im willing to ride this out and follow the advice given...that way I can live with myself knowing I at least gave some one the chance to do the same...

 

[Tiger5150]

I'm living in HK. It's not fun right now...

I am in Metro Manila And that is Even less fun...just extended ECQ until 30 April..there is also a ban on sale of liquor ..add this to no NRL ?

I hope that ban on traveling to Manila is lifted soon because my wife still needs to get her visa so she can fly here(she is filipino).

Won’t happen at least until after 30April and see how the COVId-19 numbers end up here cause AU may block anyone travel to AU from Manila if they are bad. They have only just started any volume testing this week as had no test kits and started converting anything they can to makeshift hospitals cause they know once they start high volume testing the results will be bad.

It will be longer than that.
Opening for international travel won’t resume until either internationally this is under control or vaccine is available.

I dare say that you could gradually open up travel where countries have been able to suppress the virus. e.g. If Hong Kong and Australia had it under control, they could make an agreement to open it back up for direct flights only.

Would allow for the leisure industry to start back up, albeit with limited options.

If anything needs to happen our own tourist industry needs desperate help ...surely this has to be our main consideration in the short term

Main consideration is not to flood medical services.
Its not just Covid we are about to hit flu season.
It will last for a while yet. We have been told to support heightened care until September as of last week.

I have noticed that people are saying to open borders if the infection is under control and we have to get back to normal as soon as we can ..all legitimate claims and positive thinking,however in my opinion,I honestly think that there has to be complete thought into the decisions that will be made,mainly because of,
1..the possibility of re infection if there is no vaccine manufactured yet...
2..the absolute overloading of the hospitals from infected patients,not withstanding they will need help...
3..there are patients who really need hospital help,and I mean the ones who are not affected by the virus but have severe ongoing health problems ie..cancer patients,heart disease, patients,respitory ailments etc etc..

We are all going through the pains of this pandemic in far different ways,people losing jobs,split families,mums and dads not being able to see kids and the list goes on...if anything is to be gained from this,it must be that we have learnt something eg social distancing,limited gathering and isolation have certainly paid dividends on the spread of this virus...are we prepared to open up the communities as we were before just because someone thinks it will be ok or will we all support and heed the advice of the experts in their field,health experts who advise govt for eg..
I think this will be a slow comeback to get to the otherside of this with very few fatalities,lets face it,I would rather stay at home and have a few bourbons than risk going out and unintentionally infecting someone who could die...life is precious and we must always remember that we are all Gods creatures no matter what we do in life,most of us know right from wrong and Im willing to ride this out and follow the advice given...that way I can live with myself knowing I at least gave some one the chance to do the same...

Agree with your points but I'd add another one. Opportunity cost.

Whilst the borders are closed there is the possibly the opportunity to reinstate all other industries other than international travel and get back into a routine.

If borders are open it is inevitable that the infection returns and either we instantly lockdown again or we never really get out of it. The cost to the economy will WAY exceed the cost of international tourism.

 

[jadtiger]

I'm living in HK. It's not fun right now...

I am in Metro Manila And that is Even less fun...just extended ECQ until 30 April..there is also a ban on sale of liquor ..add this to no NRL ?

I hope that ban on traveling to Manila is lifted soon because my wife still needs to get her visa so she can fly here(she is filipino).

Won’t happen at least until after 30April and see how the COVId-19 numbers end up here cause AU may block anyone travel to AU from Manila if they are bad. They have only just started any volume testing this week as had no test kits and started converting anything they can to makeshift hospitals cause they know once they start high volume testing the results will be bad.

It will be longer than that.
Opening for international travel won’t resume until either internationally this is under control or vaccine is available.

I dare say that you could gradually open up travel where countries have been able to suppress the virus. e.g. If Hong Kong and Australia had it under control, they could make an agreement to open it back up for direct flights only.

Would allow for the leisure industry to start back up, albeit with limited options.

If anything needs to happen our own tourist industry needs desperate help ...surely this has to be our main consideration in the short term

Main consideration is not to flood medical services.
Its not just Covid we are about to hit flu season.
It will last for a while yet. We have been told to support heightened care until September as of last week.

I have noticed that people are saying to open borders if the infection is under control and we have to get back to normal as soon as we can ..all legitimate claims and positive thinking,however in my opinion,I honestly think that there has to be complete thought into the decisions that will be made,mainly because of,
1..the possibility of re infection if there is no vaccine manufactured yet...
2..the absolute overloading of the hospitals from infected patients,not withstanding they will need help...
3..there are patients who really need hospital help,and I mean the ones who are not affected by the virus but have severe ongoing health problems ie..cancer patients,heart disease, patients,respitory ailments etc etc..

We are all going through the pains of this pandemic in far different ways,people losing jobs,split families,mums and dads not being able to see kids and the list goes on...if anything is to be gained from this,it must be that we have learnt something eg social distancing,limited gathering and isolation have certainly paid dividends on the spread of this virus...are we prepared to open up the communities as we were before just because someone thinks it will be ok or will we all support and heed the advice of the experts in their field,health experts who advise govt for eg..
I think this will be a slow comeback to get to the otherside of this with very few fatalities,lets face it,I would rather stay at home and have a few bourbons than risk going out and unintentionally infecting someone who could die...life is precious and we must always remember that we are all Gods creatures no matter what we do in life,most of us know right from wrong and Im willing to ride this out and follow the advice given...that way I can live with myself knowing I at least gave some one the chance to do the same...


Agree with your points but I'd add another one. Opportunity cost.

Whilst the borders are closed there is the possibly the opportunity to reinstate all other industries other than international travel and get back into a routine.

If borders are open it is inevitable that the infection returns and either we instantly lockdown again or we never really get out of it. The cost to the economy will WAY exceed the cost of international tourism.

I would love to see industries redevelop here,unfortunately it goes completely against the governments philosophy of "market forces".Labor wasnt a great deal better either when in power

 

[mike]

I'm living in HK. It's not fun right now...

I am in Metro Manila And that is Even less fun...just extended ECQ until 30 April..there is also a ban on sale of liquor ..add this to no NRL ?

I hope that ban on traveling to Manila is lifted soon because my wife still needs to get her visa so she can fly here(she is filipino).

Won’t happen at least until after 30April and see how the COVId-19 numbers end up here cause AU may block anyone travel to AU from Manila if they are bad. They have only just started any volume testing this week as had no test kits and started converting anything they can to makeshift hospitals cause they know once they start high volume testing the results will be bad.

It will be longer than that.
Opening for international travel won’t resume until either internationally this is under control or vaccine is available.

I dare say that you could gradually open up travel where countries have been able to suppress the virus. e.g. If Hong Kong and Australia had it under control, they could make an agreement to open it back up for direct flights only.

Would allow for the leisure industry to start back up, albeit with limited options.

If anything needs to happen our own tourist industry needs desperate help ...surely this has to be our main consideration in the short term

Main consideration is not to flood medical services.
Its not just Covid we are about to hit flu season.
It will last for a while yet. We have been told to support heightened care until September as of last week.

I have noticed that people are saying to open borders if the infection is under control and we have to get back to normal as soon as we can ..all legitimate claims and positive thinking,however in my opinion,I honestly think that there has to be complete thought into the decisions that will be made,mainly because of,
1..the possibility of re infection if there is no vaccine manufactured yet...
2..the absolute overloading of the hospitals from infected patients,not withstanding they will need help...
3..there are patients who really need hospital help,and I mean the ones who are not affected by the virus but have severe ongoing health problems ie..cancer patients,heart disease, patients,respitory ailments etc etc..

We are all going through the pains of this pandemic in far different ways,people losing jobs,split families,mums and dads not being able to see kids and the list goes on...if anything is to be gained from this,it must be that we have learnt something eg social distancing,limited gathering and isolation have certainly paid dividends on the spread of this virus...are we prepared to open up the communities as we were before just because someone thinks it will be ok or will we all support and heed the advice of the experts in their field,health experts who advise govt for eg..
I think this will be a slow comeback to get to the otherside of this with very few fatalities,lets face it,I would rather stay at home and have a few bourbons than risk going out and unintentionally infecting someone who could die...life is precious and we must always remember that we are all Gods creatures no matter what we do in life,most of us know right from wrong and Im willing to ride this out and follow the advice given...that way I can live with myself knowing I at least gave some one the chance to do the same...


Agree with your points but I'd add another one. Opportunity cost.

Whilst the borders are closed there is the possibly the opportunity to reinstate all other industries other than international travel and get back into a routine.

If borders are open it is inevitable that the infection returns and either we instantly lockdown again or we never really get out of it. The cost to the economy will WAY exceed the cost of international tourism.

I would love to see industries redevelop here,unfortunately it goes completely against the governments philosophy of "market forces".Labor wasnt a great deal better either when in power

I don’t know. The market forces are pretty clear at the moment. Manufacture or go without.

 

[tigertye]

We’ve had pretty basic restrictions in the scheme of things for a few weeks now and people just don’t get it and don’t take the initiative to just stay home. My mum works at Spotlight and she’s said sales are higher than Christmas.

I think we’re about to see a massive spike and not a flattening of this curve.

With patients coming from overseas either recovering or dying, the curve will naturally decrease until the community transfers start to show its effects and return an upward trend to this curve.

The community transfer number is where it’s gotten out of control overseas and as long as the number of cases increases by even one per day this curve won’t flatten. In my opinion they need to shut the country down on a much larger scale. Only actual ESSENTIAL SERVICES to operate.

Small and medium sized businesses are at huge risk of going under despite government subsidies.

I think the government’s $130b subsidy is very reactive. It has some benefits definitely, but I think it could’ve been better spent.

The government could’ve invested money into supporting people to stay home and cover utilities, basic food and necessities. Mortgages deferred and a system for rental situations developed. There’s obviously many, many more areas that would’ve had to be addressed but this to me was the only way to realistically put a dent in this thing quickly.

Personally, I can just see these community transfers going through the roof and everyone suffering for a much longer period of time.

This thing sounds like it has the potential to wipe out thousands of Australian’s and I’m sorry, but getting a retail fix or whatever isn’t essential at all and just because people are bored isn’t a good enough reason for someone to potentially wind up dead. All well and good to prop up the economy with sales and ongoing business for certain industries but it’s literally a slow demise for most businesses at the moment. Finding a way to just about pause the economy as much as possible would’ve been a much better option long-term in my view and saved many more jobs and businesses.

In regards to reopening international travel, I wouldn’t entertain the idea until there’s a vaccine available. 1 case turns into 2 before you know it and we’re back at square one.

 

[Tiger5150]

I'm living in HK. It's not fun right now...

I am in Metro Manila And that is Even less fun...just extended ECQ until 30 April..there is also a ban on sale of liquor ..add this to no NRL ?

I hope that ban on traveling to Manila is lifted soon because my wife still needs to get her visa so she can fly here(she is filipino).

Won’t happen at least until after 30April and see how the COVId-19 numbers end up here cause AU may block anyone travel to AU from Manila if they are bad. They have only just started any volume testing this week as had no test kits and started converting anything they can to makeshift hospitals cause they know once they start high volume testing the results will be bad.

It will be longer than that.
Opening for international travel won’t resume until either internationally this is under control or vaccine is available.

I dare say that you could gradually open up travel where countries have been able to suppress the virus. e.g. If Hong Kong and Australia had it under control, they could make an agreement to open it back up for direct flights only.

Would allow for the leisure industry to start back up, albeit with limited options.

If anything needs to happen our own tourist industry needs desperate help ...surely this has to be our main consideration in the short term

Main consideration is not to flood medical services.
Its not just Covid we are about to hit flu season.
It will last for a while yet. We have been told to support heightened care until September as of last week.

I have noticed that people are saying to open borders if the infection is under control and we have to get back to normal as soon as we can ..all legitimate claims and positive thinking,however in my opinion,I honestly think that there has to be complete thought into the decisions that will be made,mainly because of,
1..the possibility of re infection if there is no vaccine manufactured yet...
2..the absolute overloading of the hospitals from infected patients,not withstanding they will need help...
3..there are patients who really need hospital help,and I mean the ones who are not affected by the virus but have severe ongoing health problems ie..cancer patients,heart disease, patients,respitory ailments etc etc..

We are all going through the pains of this pandemic in far different ways,people losing jobs,split families,mums and dads not being able to see kids and the list goes on...if anything is to be gained from this,it must be that we have learnt something eg social distancing,limited gathering and isolation have certainly paid dividends on the spread of this virus...are we prepared to open up the communities as we were before just because someone thinks it will be ok or will we all support and heed the advice of the experts in their field,health experts who advise govt for eg..
I think this will be a slow comeback to get to the otherside of this with very few fatalities,lets face it,I would rather stay at home and have a few bourbons than risk going out and unintentionally infecting someone who could die...life is precious and we must always remember that we are all Gods creatures no matter what we do in life,most of us know right from wrong and Im willing to ride this out and follow the advice given...that way I can live with myself knowing I at least gave some one the chance to do the same...


Agree with your points but I'd add another one. Opportunity cost.

Whilst the borders are closed there is the possibly the opportunity to reinstate all other industries other than international travel and get back into a routine.

If borders are open it is inevitable that the infection returns and either we instantly lockdown again or we never really get out of it. The cost to the economy will WAY exceed the cost of international tourism.

I would love to see industries redevelop here,unfortunately it goes completely against the governments philosophy of "market forces".Labor wasnt a great deal better either when in power

I don’t know. The market forces are pretty clear at the moment. Manufacture or go without.

Explain what you mean? What are the impediments to importing at the moment?

 

[mike]

I'm living in HK. It's not fun right now...

I am in Metro Manila And that is Even less fun...just extended ECQ until 30 April..there is also a ban on sale of liquor ..add this to no NRL ?

I hope that ban on traveling to Manila is lifted soon because my wife still needs to get her visa so she can fly here(she is filipino).

Won’t happen at least until after 30April and see how the COVId-19 numbers end up here cause AU may block anyone travel to AU from Manila if they are bad. They have only just started any volume testing this week as had no test kits and started converting anything they can to makeshift hospitals cause they know once they start high volume testing the results will be bad.

It will be longer than that.
Opening for international travel won’t resume until either internationally this is under control or vaccine is available.

I dare say that you could gradually open up travel where countries have been able to suppress the virus. e.g. If Hong Kong and Australia had it under control, they could make an agreement to open it back up for direct flights only.

Would allow for the leisure industry to start back up, albeit with limited options.

If anything needs to happen our own tourist industry needs desperate help ...surely this has to be our main consideration in the short term

Main consideration is not to flood medical services.
Its not just Covid we are about to hit flu season.
It will last for a while yet. We have been told to support heightened care until September as of last week.

I have noticed that people are saying to open borders if the infection is under control and we have to get back to normal as soon as we can ..all legitimate claims and positive thinking,however in my opinion,I honestly think that there has to be complete thought into the decisions that will be made,mainly because of,
1..the possibility of re infection if there is no vaccine manufactured yet...
2..the absolute overloading of the hospitals from infected patients,not withstanding they will need help...
3..there are patients who really need hospital help,and I mean the ones who are not affected by the virus but have severe ongoing health problems ie..cancer patients,heart disease, patients,respitory ailments etc etc..

We are all going through the pains of this pandemic in far different ways,people losing jobs,split families,mums and dads not being able to see kids and the list goes on...if anything is to be gained from this,it must be that we have learnt something eg social distancing,limited gathering and isolation have certainly paid dividends on the spread of this virus...are we prepared to open up the communities as we were before just because someone thinks it will be ok or will we all support and heed the advice of the experts in their field,health experts who advise govt for eg..
I think this will be a slow comeback to get to the otherside of this with very few fatalities,lets face it,I would rather stay at home and have a few bourbons than risk going out and unintentionally infecting someone who could die...life is precious and we must always remember that we are all Gods creatures no matter what we do in life,most of us know right from wrong and Im willing to ride this out and follow the advice given...that way I can live with myself knowing I at least gave some one the chance to do the same...


Agree with your points but I'd add another one. Opportunity cost.

Whilst the borders are closed there is the possibly the opportunity to reinstate all other industries other than international travel and get back into a routine.

If borders are open it is inevitable that the infection returns and either we instantly lockdown again or we never really get out of it. The cost to the economy will WAY exceed the cost of international tourism.

I would love to see industries redevelop here,unfortunately it goes completely against the governments philosophy of "market forces".Labor wasnt a great deal better either when in power

I don’t know. The market forces are pretty clear at the moment. Manufacture or go without.


Explain what you mean? What are the impediments to importing at the moment?

Shipping is disrupted world wide. Manufacturing is disrupted world wide. If you want to ensure supply of anything you must manufacture.

 

[TrueTiger]

I'm living in HK. It's not fun right now...

I am in Metro Manila And that is Even less fun...just extended ECQ until 30 April..there is also a ban on sale of liquor ..add this to no NRL ?

I hope that ban on traveling to Manila is lifted soon because my wife still needs to get her visa so she can fly here(she is filipino).

Won’t happen at least until after 30April and see how the COVId-19 numbers end up here cause AU may block anyone travel to AU from Manila if they are bad. They have only just started any volume testing this week as had no test kits and started converting anything they can to makeshift hospitals cause they know once they start high volume testing the results will be bad.

It will be longer than that.
Opening for international travel won’t resume until either internationally this is under control or vaccine is available.

I dare say that you could gradually open up travel where countries have been able to suppress the virus. e.g. If Hong Kong and Australia had it under control, they could make an agreement to open it back up for direct flights only.

Would allow for the leisure industry to start back up, albeit with limited options.

If anything needs to happen our own tourist industry needs desperate help ...surely this has to be our main consideration in the short term

Main consideration is not to flood medical services.
Its not just Covid we are about to hit flu season.
It will last for a while yet. We have been told to support heightened care until September as of last week.

I have noticed that people are saying to open borders if the infection is under control and we have to get back to normal as soon as we can ..all legitimate claims and positive thinking,however in my opinion,I honestly think that there has to be complete thought into the decisions that will be made,mainly because of,
1..the possibility of re infection if there is no vaccine manufactured yet...
2..the absolute overloading of the hospitals from infected patients,not withstanding they will need help...
3..there are patients who really need hospital help,and I mean the ones who are not affected by the virus but have severe ongoing health problems ie..cancer patients,heart disease, patients,respitory ailments etc etc..

We are all going through the pains of this pandemic in far different ways,people losing jobs,split families,mums and dads not being able to see kids and the list goes on...if anything is to be gained from this,it must be that we have learnt something eg social distancing,limited gathering and isolation have certainly paid dividends on the spread of this virus...are we prepared to open up the communities as we were before just because someone thinks it will be ok or will we all support and heed the advice of the experts in their field,health experts who advise govt for eg..
I think this will be a slow comeback to get to the otherside of this with very few fatalities,lets face it,I would rather stay at home and have a few bourbons than risk going out and unintentionally infecting someone who could die...life is precious and we must always remember that we are all Gods creatures no matter what we do in life,most of us know right from wrong and Im willing to ride this out and follow the advice given...that way I can live with myself knowing I at least gave some one the chance to do the same...


Agree with your points but I'd add another one. Opportunity cost.

Whilst the borders are closed there is the possibly the opportunity to reinstate all other industries other than international travel and get back into a routine.

If borders are open it is inevitable that the infection returns and either we instantly lockdown again or we never really get out of it. The cost to the economy will WAY exceed the cost of international tourism.

I agree with you emphatically mate,I should have stipulated the international borders,not the internal state borders...the international travellers coming here pose more of a danger than our people already within the country...thanks for that..

 

[Tiger5150]

I'm living in HK. It's not fun right now...

I am in Metro Manila And that is Even less fun...just extended ECQ until 30 April..there is also a ban on sale of liquor ..add this to no NRL ?

I hope that ban on traveling to Manila is lifted soon because my wife still needs to get her visa so she can fly here(she is filipino).

Won’t happen at least until after 30April and see how the COVId-19 numbers end up here cause AU may block anyone travel to AU from Manila if they are bad. They have only just started any volume testing this week as had no test kits and started converting anything they can to makeshift hospitals cause they know once they start high volume testing the results will be bad.

It will be longer than that.
Opening for international travel won’t resume until either internationally this is under control or vaccine is available.

I dare say that you could gradually open up travel where countries have been able to suppress the virus. e.g. If Hong Kong and Australia had it under control, they could make an agreement to open it back up for direct flights only.

Would allow for the leisure industry to start back up, albeit with limited options.

If anything needs to happen our own tourist industry needs desperate help ...surely this has to be our main consideration in the short term

Main consideration is not to flood medical services.
Its not just Covid we are about to hit flu season.
It will last for a while yet. We have been told to support heightened care until September as of last week.

I have noticed that people are saying to open borders if the infection is under control and we have to get back to normal as soon as we can ..all legitimate claims and positive thinking,however in my opinion,I honestly think that there has to be complete thought into the decisions that will be made,mainly because of,
1..the possibility of re infection if there is no vaccine manufactured yet...
2..the absolute overloading of the hospitals from infected patients,not withstanding they will need help...
3..there are patients who really need hospital help,and I mean the ones who are not affected by the virus but have severe ongoing health problems ie..cancer patients,heart disease, patients,respitory ailments etc etc..

We are all going through the pains of this pandemic in far different ways,people losing jobs,split families,mums and dads not being able to see kids and the list goes on...if anything is to be gained from this,it must be that we have learnt something eg social distancing,limited gathering and isolation have certainly paid dividends on the spread of this virus...are we prepared to open up the communities as we were before just because someone thinks it will be ok or will we all support and heed the advice of the experts in their field,health experts who advise govt for eg..
I think this will be a slow comeback to get to the otherside of this with very few fatalities,lets face it,I would rather stay at home and have a few bourbons than risk going out and unintentionally infecting someone who could die...life is precious and we must always remember that we are all Gods creatures no matter what we do in life,most of us know right from wrong and Im willing to ride this out and follow the advice given...that way I can live with myself knowing I at least gave some one the chance to do the same...


Agree with your points but I'd add another one. Opportunity cost.

Whilst the borders are closed there is the possibly the opportunity to reinstate all other industries other than international travel and get back into a routine.

If borders are open it is inevitable that the infection returns and either we instantly lockdown again or we never really get out of it. The cost to the economy will WAY exceed the cost of international tourism.

I would love to see industries redevelop here,unfortunately it goes completely against the governments philosophy of "market forces".Labor wasnt a great deal better either when in power

I don’t know. The market forces are pretty clear at the moment. Manufacture or go without.


Explain what you mean? What are the impediments to importing at the moment?

Shipping is disrupted world wide. Manufacturing is disrupted world wide. If you want to ensure supply of anything you must manufacture.

Why is shipping disrupted? There is no restrictions on freight by sea or land.

 

[mike]

I'm living in HK. It's not fun right now...

I am in Metro Manila And that is Even less fun...just extended ECQ until 30 April..there is also a ban on sale of liquor ..add this to no NRL ?

I hope that ban on traveling to Manila is lifted soon because my wife still needs to get her visa so she can fly here(she is filipino).

Won’t happen at least until after 30April and see how the COVId-19 numbers end up here cause AU may block anyone travel to AU from Manila if they are bad. They have only just started any volume testing this week as had no test kits and started converting anything they can to makeshift hospitals cause they know once they start high volume testing the results will be bad.

It will be longer than that.
Opening for international travel won’t resume until either internationally this is under control or vaccine is available.

I dare say that you could gradually open up travel where countries have been able to suppress the virus. e.g. If Hong Kong and Australia had it under control, they could make an agreement to open it back up for direct flights only.

Would allow for the leisure industry to start back up, albeit with limited options.

If anything needs to happen our own tourist industry needs desperate help ...surely this has to be our main consideration in the short term

Main consideration is not to flood medical services.
Its not just Covid we are about to hit flu season.
It will last for a while yet. We have been told to support heightened care until September as of last week.

I have noticed that people are saying to open borders if the infection is under control and we have to get back to normal as soon as we can ..all legitimate claims and positive thinking,however in my opinion,I honestly think that there has to be complete thought into the decisions that will be made,mainly because of,
1..the possibility of re infection if there is no vaccine manufactured yet...
2..the absolute overloading of the hospitals from infected patients,not withstanding they will need help...
3..there are patients who really need hospital help,and I mean the ones who are not affected by the virus but have severe ongoing health problems ie..cancer patients,heart disease, patients,respitory ailments etc etc..

We are all going through the pains of this pandemic in far different ways,people losing jobs,split families,mums and dads not being able to see kids and the list goes on...if anything is to be gained from this,it must be that we have learnt something eg social distancing,limited gathering and isolation have certainly paid dividends on the spread of this virus...are we prepared to open up the communities as we were before just because someone thinks it will be ok or will we all support and heed the advice of the experts in their field,health experts who advise govt for eg..
I think this will be a slow comeback to get to the otherside of this with very few fatalities,lets face it,I would rather stay at home and have a few bourbons than risk going out and unintentionally infecting someone who could die...life is precious and we must always remember that we are all Gods creatures no matter what we do in life,most of us know right from wrong and Im willing to ride this out and follow the advice given...that way I can live with myself knowing I at least gave some one the chance to do the same...


Agree with your points but I'd add another one. Opportunity cost.

Whilst the borders are closed there is the possibly the opportunity to reinstate all other industries other than international travel and get back into a routine.

If borders are open it is inevitable that the infection returns and either we instantly lockdown again or we never really get out of it. The cost to the economy will WAY exceed the cost of international tourism.

I would love to see industries redevelop here,unfortunately it goes completely against the governments philosophy of "market forces".Labor wasnt a great deal better either when in power

I don’t know. The market forces are pretty clear at the moment. Manufacture or go without.


Explain what you mean? What are the impediments to importing at the moment?

Shipping is disrupted world wide. Manufacturing is disrupted world wide. If you want to ensure supply of anything you must manufacture.


Why is shipping disrupted? There is no restrictions on freight by sea or land.

Maybe not coming into Australia once they are here but in many other countries there certainly is. I’m still waiting on imports from various countries. Some are still in-transit at the source while others are just lost. Never had any issues until Covid19.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

I Don’t want to be full of gloom and doom on this subject but can’t see any of this being resolved and normality restored in short term.
There is a real possibility that governments that jump too soon might get burned.
Quite a few have archived the so called “flattening the curve“ only to experience a upward bounce in cases.
Also as seen to date ..... as you test more widely you find significantly more cases and therefore no one can be really sure what the extent of underlying problem is.
The thing is there are so many unknowns with this disease and misinformation that the only safe approach is to be conservative in relation to easing of restrictions.
So we may find that there is quite a way to go before this thing is put to bed. And what awaits us after that may be harder to take then the current extended holiday we are having with the family.
Stay safe!

 

[twentyforty]

I'm living in HK. It's not fun right now...

I am in Metro Manila And that is Even less fun...just extended ECQ until 30 April..there is also a ban on sale of liquor ..add this to no NRL ?

I hope that ban on traveling to Manila is lifted soon because my wife still needs to get her visa so she can fly here(she is filipino).

Won’t happen at least until after 30April and see how the COVId-19 numbers end up here cause AU may block anyone travel to AU from Manila if they are bad. They have only just started any volume testing this week as had no test kits and started converting anything they can to makeshift hospitals cause they know once they start high volume testing the results will be bad.

It will be longer than that.
Opening for international travel won’t resume until either internationally this is under control or vaccine is available.

I dare say that you could gradually open up travel where countries have been able to suppress the virus. e.g. If Hong Kong and Australia had it under control, they could make an agreement to open it back up for direct flights only.

Would allow for the leisure industry to start back up, albeit with limited options.

If anything needs to happen our own tourist industry needs desperate help ...surely this has to be our main consideration in the short term

Main consideration is not to flood medical services.
Its not just Covid we are about to hit flu season.
It will last for a while yet. We have been told to support heightened care until September as of last week.

I have noticed that people are saying to open borders if the infection is under control and we have to get back to normal as soon as we can ..all legitimate claims and positive thinking,however in my opinion,I honestly think that there has to be complete thought into the decisions that will be made,mainly because of,
1..the possibility of re infection if there is no vaccine manufactured yet...
2..the absolute overloading of the hospitals from infected patients,not withstanding they will need help...
3..there are patients who really need hospital help,and I mean the ones who are not affected by the virus but have severe ongoing health problems ie..cancer patients,heart disease, patients,respitory ailments etc etc..

We are all going through the pains of this pandemic in far different ways,people losing jobs,split families,mums and dads not being able to see kids and the list goes on...if anything is to be gained from this,it must be that we have learnt something eg social distancing,limited gathering and isolation have certainly paid dividends on the spread of this virus...are we prepared to open up the communities as we were before just because someone thinks it will be ok or will we all support and heed the advice of the experts in their field,health experts who advise govt for eg..
I think this will be a slow comeback to get to the otherside of this with very few fatalities,lets face it,I would rather stay at home and have a few bourbons than risk going out and unintentionally infecting someone who could die...life is precious and we must always remember that we are all Gods creatures no matter what we do in life,most of us know right from wrong and Im willing to ride this out and follow the advice given...that way I can live with myself knowing I at least gave some one the chance to do the same...


Agree with your points but I'd add another one. Opportunity cost.

Whilst the borders are closed there is the possibly the opportunity to reinstate all other industries other than international travel and get back into a routine.

If borders are open it is inevitable that the infection returns and either we instantly lockdown again or we never really get out of it. The cost to the economy will WAY exceed the cost of international tourism.

I would love to see industries redevelop here,unfortunately it goes completely against the governments philosophy of "market forces".Labor wasnt a great deal better either when in power

I don’t know. The market forces are pretty clear at the moment. Manufacture or go without.


Explain what you mean? What are the impediments to importing at the moment?

Shipping is disrupted world wide. Manufacturing is disrupted world wide. If you want to ensure supply of anything you must manufacture.


Why is shipping disrupted? There is no restrictions on freight by sea or land.

Maybe not coming into Australia once they are here but in many other countries there certainly is. I’m still waiting on imports from various countries. Some are still in-transit at the source while others are just lost. Never had any issues until Covid19.

Mike, talking to a friend yesterday, who usually imports machines from US, has had trouble with delays and excessive costs has now decided to manufacture them himself here in Australia.