Coronavirus Outbreak

[Tiger5150]

If the already rampant attacks there aren't already bad enough, as the shitt starts really hitting the fan a week or so from now in the US, with their citizens dying in much larger numbers than now, I wouldn't want to be Asian looking and find myself around any delusional gun owners, especially those with an affinity for red caps.

After reading your last few comments, it appears you really want to make racism and/or Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon a part of this discussion.

Something you want to get off your chest?

Yes, long before this crisis I have felt that the current governments and their policies have the power to literally control my child's future environment, as the planet reaches tipping point and as such have taken a much greater interest in the leaders of powerful nations.

Nothing annoys me much more than rascism in electioneering and that is exactly what we have seen play out over the past week. This was obviously done to divert attention from the previous lies of the failed earlier campaigning approach to the virus, such as when wearing his red KAG cap to the CDC and not remotely addressing the huge issue at hand, of which they had tremendous knowledge from briefings. Racial attacks there have been ramping up by the day as a result of his rhetoric, which was in stark contrast to that of the VP and other's standing at the lectern and as of the past minutes I have no doubt that powerful law enforcement figures have told the white house that deaths would result if he continued with it.

I was listening to the daily US briefing on the Fox News YouTube channel when I opened this notification and I note positively that the rhetoric seems to have stopped today, so I assume that they stopped crossing out the word Corona and replacing it in permanent marker with Chinese in his speeches, which illustrates just how deliberate it was.

At this point of the address I have not heard him mention China nor immigrants, so it looks like they have realised the error of their ways. Hang on, I take that back, as he has just started talking about China in answer to a general question on his previous dismissive position. His answer though, was much different to the past days and whilst calling them out, he dealt with it appropriately.

It is good to see that he can actually do it, as the nation and world need today's version of the man and particularly so right now. As long as Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon can stick even remotely to the facts, we can all put up with the unnecessary incredible, the best and the greatest type jargon, but from the questioning, he must also stop writing misinformation, particularly medically related on Twitter.

As for my direct contact to rascism, I am a white male, however, my family is subject to it on just about every single day that they leave the house and it is very real, so it sits firmly in my chest.


@formerguest this is not a knock on you, I am merely selecting your post as an example to make the point.

Can I make a general request to the whole forum, that we make an effort to leave the politics regarding the virus to the politics thread.

This crisis is a worldwide crisis that is going to impact all of us on the planet. It is a serious issue and for the purposes of sensible discussion can we push the political discussion to the politics thread.

When it comes to the political decisions around this crisis, it is a Rorschach test. Like ever Rorschach Test, some see a butterfly, some see a vagina.

Politics is central to this situation worldwide as our lives depend on the ***decisions being made.***

I agree with this and the unavoidable logic that backs it up. Not that it matters but I simply get tired of hearing people bleat about the words that Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon uses, the cap he wears. None of these things impact the global response to COVID.

Talking about the words that Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon (the worlds greatest Troller) uses and what cap he wears IS a simple Rorschach Test and is completely pointless.

That is your opinion.

Mine is that some people, probably a lot of them at that, are going to die because of the influence of the individual leading their country. The cap is not just sitting on a head that's hair is sculptured by accident, rather, an integral part of the Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon campaign. It is strategically placed on what is expected to be the most shown news product of the day, to mobilise a section of the community and thus not pointless. Survey results of the public beliefs, along with community actions clearly showed that such actions and telling people to get on with normal lives have an effect.

Each individual has an impact, however minor, on the global response, with a relative few who have and will decide, both the immediate and long term fate of the many by their actions. Two particular individuals in the USA are amongst those, Murdoch being one. Because of his propaganda channel's earlier approach there, we are about to see the results of it play out and I expect in the short term, being somewhat worse amongst their followers that received such messaging.

Mate I totally respect your right to your political POV, Im not making a judgement of right or wrong, good or bad, as I said I dont want to engage in a political discussion on this subject in this thread.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I think things are slowly improving at the supermarkets... Delivery time restrictions have been relaxed and the panic buying pin heads have crawled back into their mcmansions.... Did a usual shop last night where we usually get frozen fruit for smoothies... Sometimes six different flavoured packets... Go 3 last nihhhht but . Was only allowed two but the guy at the self serve said just do 2 transaction.... We also had four pkts of chips lol

Why do the panic buyers live in McMansions? Seems like a strange thing to say.

OK... It's strange

No seriously, I am really interested as to how/ why you have suggested the hoarders/ panic buyers are apparently rich and live in big houses? You wrote it, just after an explanation to gauge what you meant by it.

The poor probably can not afford to hoard!

Yeah good point Cochise.

That is the problem with what is happening at the moment, I equate it to stealing! Basically the people who are stockpiling are taking more than their fair share leaving those who can not afford to stockpile without, it is selfish and greedy behaviour.

We are all in this together, look after each other!

The question is how can they afford to stockpile? With the forecast changes to the economy and potential for job losses, how much of this has been purchase on plastic?

 

[Guest]

The guy from SA just told me all data about reporting the numbers of corona case must be only reported to the government and they will release what numbers they to not scare people

Time to loosen the tin foil hat, it's got the better of you.

 

[weststigers]

NSW Premier will release a statement soon to seek the closure of non-essential services in NSW.

 

[rustycage]

If anyone thinks that the hand outs given to employers will be passed down to their employees they're crazy. Maybe in some cases, maybe in a lot of cases, but the reality is probably more like the employers will hand out a little to some, skim a large chunk and then re-hire what's needed down the track without any worries at all because masses of workers will be desperate for work.

 

[Tigers_Tigers]

My aunties best friends husband is high up in the government and says suburbs in Sydney will be put in shut down

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

100% agree, wasn’t at you mate.
Have heard flu references alot.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

My aunties best friends husband is high up in the government and says suburbs in Sydney will be put in shut down

Not sure if serious...

 

[Tiger5150]

If anyone thinks that the hand outs given to employers will be passed down to their employees they're crazy. Maybe in some cases, maybe in a lot of cases, but the reality is probably more like the employers will hand out a little to some, skim a large chunk and then re-hire what's needed down the track without any worries at all because masses of workers will be desperate for work.

The hand outs are not supposed to be “handed down” to employees. The hand outs are designed to enable employees to keep their job. The hand out is equal to the amount of tax paid to employees that are retained. If the employee is put off the employer doesn’t get the money.

If I was an employee and given a choice of a cash payout but Lose my job or my boss gets a hand out but I keep my job, it’s an easy choice. Great initiative by the Government.

 

[weststigers]

If anyone thinks that the hand outs given to employers will be passed down to their employees they're crazy. Maybe in some cases, maybe in a lot of cases, but the reality is probably more like the employers will hand out a little to some, skim a large chunk and then re-hire what's needed down the track without any worries at all because masses of workers will be desperate for work.

Yes and no. Case by case.

Let's take a cafe for instance. They have suppliers they need to pay. If you don't pay, you don't get supply and it wrecks your ability to make money to pay wages anyway. If you give business nothing, they will fail. Full stop. Good luck finding a job when this is all over unless you work for government or other safe industries.

Businesses aren't only an employer and employee relationship. They have suppliers, bills, rent etc.

But, you're right, for most SME employees, they will get their next payslip and their entitlements and either stood down or made redundant. Some will be able to stay on a needs basis if that business is making some sales.

Income support is available for employees that are stood down/lose jobs. The hope is the cash injection is enough for businesses to keep the doors open until things pick up again - hopefully the staff can slot straight back in.

For most, this cash injection will only help very small businesses and is not enough to cover 6 months worth of wages.

 

[Regan]

Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but does anyone know what’s happening with domestic flights ? Apparently there will be a decision made on Tuesday on wether or not domestic flights are off or still can go on. Not sure would be helpful if anyone knew. Thanks.

As I said before domestic flights will go before the shut down on April 2ish so my time line is looking bang on

 

[Tiger5150]

If anyone thinks that the hand outs given to employers will be passed down to their employees they're crazy. Maybe in some cases, maybe in a lot of cases, but the reality is probably more like the employers will hand out a little to some, skim a large chunk and then re-hire what's needed down the track without any worries at all because masses of workers will be desperate for work.

Yes and no. Case by case.

Let's take a cafe for instance. They have suppliers they need to pay. If you don't pay, you don't get supply and it wrecks your ability to make money to pay wages anyway. If you give business nothing, they will fail. Full stop. Good luck finding a job when this is all over unless you work for government or other safe industries.

Businesses aren't only an employer and employee relationship. They have suppliers, bills, rent etc.

But, you're right, for most SME employees, they will get their next payslip and their entitlements and either stood down or made redundant. Some will be able to stay on a needs basis if that business is making some sales.

Income support is available for employees that are stood down/lose jobs. The hope is the cash injection is enough for businesses to keep the doors open until things pick up again - hopefully the staff can slot straight back in.

For most, this cash injection will only help very small businesses and is not enough to cover 6 months worth of wages.

The cash injection is directly linked to retained employees. Employer doesn’t get it if they put people off

 

[Tigerlily]

I wonder how closing the border would work for people on the Tweed and GC, be interesting to see how the respective governments manage that one when you have people living in Qld but work in NSW and vice versa - reality is the two cities are one meshed entity.

 

[Tiger5150]

Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but does anyone know what’s happening with domestic flights ? Apparently there will be a decision made on Tuesday on wether or not domestic flights are off or still can go on. Not sure would be helpful if anyone knew. Thanks.



As I said before domestic flights will go before the shut down on April 2ish so my time line is looking bang on

You also said that the confirmed cases will leap by 13000 in the next two day so.....yeah....bang on.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I wonder how closing the border would work for people on the Tweed and GC, be interesting to see how the respective governments manage that one when you have people living in Qld but work in NSW and vice versa - reality is the two cities are one meshed entity.

Similarly with Albury/Wodonga

 

[Tigerlily]

I wonder how closing the border would work for people on the Tweed and GC, be interesting to see how the respective governments manage that one when you have people living in Qld but work in NSW and vice versa - reality is the two cities are one meshed entity.

Similarly with Albury/Wodonga

My guess would be that someone’s border would be temporarily moved?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

NSW Premier will release a statement soon to seek the closure of non-essential services in NSW.

9 reported Vic and NSW would go it alone to take this action although a mtg of Commonwealth and State reps will decide tonight.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I wonder how closing the border would work for people on the Tweed and GC, be interesting to see how the respective governments manage that one when you have people living in Qld but work in NSW and vice versa - reality is the two cities are one meshed entity.

Similarly with Albury/Wodonga

My guess would be that someone’s border would be temporarily moved?

Hospital locations would likely be key and assume that the distance to similar from surrounding areas would also play a part in their decision.

 

[Tim Sheens]

NSW Premier will release a statement soon to seek the closure of non-essential services in NSW.

9 reported Vic and NSW would go it alone to take this action although a mtg of Commonwealth and State reps will decide tonight.

I like that they have been having joint meeting at state and federal level, but whichever is proposing immediate action needs to be listened to. For mine, the latest meeting has only been brought forward because they are finally realising that these voices have been correct all along.

 

[TillLindemann]

So is this new announcement a lockdown or not?