Coronavirus Outbreak

[trentrunciman]

Slightly off topic but does anyone else have concerns that the government uses overseas companies for the storage of this data but also for a lot of the other information they collect about us?

I think you'll find most countries around the world use Cloud service providers Huawei (China); Microsoft, IBM, adobe etc (Murica); Samsung (korea; singapore)

 

[cochise]

Slightly off topic but does anyone else have concerns that the government uses overseas companies for the storage of this data but also for a lot of the other information they collect about us?

I think you'll find most countries around the world use Cloud service providers Huawei (China); Microsoft, IBM, adobe etc (Murica); Samsung (korea; singapore)

Yes but should we? We use Amazon for a lot of ours.

 

[Hangonaminute]

Funny that we're having a massive national debate over privacy due to this app.

But the FAR more Orwellian metadata laws went through with barely a murmur - which mandate recording and storage for 2 years of all your location data, who you communicate with, your internet search history etc

Go learn about Cryptocurrency (if you haven't) the goal is to built an internal protocol where we all own our own personal data, and control who sees it.
The next generation of the internet you can think of it as.
We need to move into a decentralized peer to peer secured way of engaging with each other online.
If we keep allowing these big tech giants to store our data on THEIR centralised servers it won't end well for us.

Data is now a commodity, it's valuable and we're giving it away for free to our own detriment.
We need to take the power back and be in control of our own information, and how and where it's stored and used.

On top of that, Crypto is also the best form of hard money we have, the current fiat currency system is dead, as we've seen during this covid19 rubbish with central banks printing money like nothing.

 

[trentrunciman]

Slightly off topic but does anyone else have concerns that the government uses overseas companies for the storage of this data but also for a lot of the other information they collect about us?

I think you'll find most countries around the world use Cloud service providers Huawei (China); Microsoft, IBM, adobe etc (Murica); Samsung (korea; singapore)

Yes but should we? We use Amazon for a lot of ours.

i'm not sure buddy...

edit - i do want a huawei though...was going to get one when i was in HK and China, apparently google etc is blocked over here but the guys i was speaking to can unlock it

 

[TillLindemann]

Funny that we're having a massive national debate over privacy due to this app.

But the FAR more Orwellian metadata laws went through with barely a murmur - which mandate recording and storage for 2 years of all your location data, who you communicate with, your internet search history etc

Go learn about Cryptocurrency (if you haven't) the goal is to built an internal protocol where we all own our own personal data, and control who sees it.
The next generation of the internet you can think of it as.
We need to move into a decentralized peer to peer secured way of engaging with each other online.
If we keep allowing these big tech giants to store our data on THEIR centralised servers it won't end well for us.

Data is now a commodity, it's valuable and we're giving it away for free to our own detriment.
We need to take the power back and be in control of our own information, and how and where it's stored and used.

On top of that, Crypto is also the best form of hard money we have, the current fiat currency system is dead, as we've seen during this covid19 rubbish with central banks printing money like nothing.

Yes I have a bit of crypto: mainly bitcoin, ether, litecoin, dash, golem

 

[cochise]

Funny that we're having a massive national debate over privacy due to this app.

But the FAR more Orwellian metadata laws went through with barely a murmur - which mandate recording and storage for 2 years of all your location data, who you communicate with, your internet search history etc

Go learn about Cryptocurrency (if you haven't) the goal is to built an internal protocol where we all own our own personal data, and control who sees it.
The next generation of the internet you can think of it as.
We need to move into a decentralized peer to peer secured way of engaging with each other online.
If we keep allowing these big tech giants to store our data on THEIR centralised servers it won't end well for us.

Data is now a commodity, it's valuable and we're giving it away for free to our own detriment.
We need to take the power back and be in control of our own information, and how and where it's stored and used.

On top of that, Crypto is also the best form of hard money we have, the current fiat currency system is dead, as we've seen during this covid19 rubbish with central banks printing money like nothing.

Sounds a lot better than what we have now, to be honest I don't know enough about it but in principle it sounds like the way we should be heading.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Funny that we're having a massive national debate over privacy due to this app.

But the FAR more Orwellian metadata laws went through with barely a murmur - which mandate recording and storage for 2 years of all your location data, who you communicate with, your internet search history etc

Yeah, this is a big worry for me and has been what I see as the long promoting fear for control approach of our government. Not concerned at the levels of @Hangonaminute, particularly relating to control regarding this virus, but concerned nonetheless.

Torn on this tracing app, as I want to assist others, but as long as my government holds a pair of Australian children and their parents in ridiculously costly detention on Christmas Island at the absolute stretch of a court order, plus still chasing illegal Robodebts, whilst thousands of worried people were lining up outside Centrelink offices or unable to contact on via phone or online, then I have little to no faith in them not using it inappropriately.

 

[Cairnstigers]

There's no way in the world I will ever use this tracking app.

Legally, access to the data is a free for all for law enforcement agencies.

A "nah they won't" at a press conference isn't good enough for me.

I figure it's not about me and will possibly allow contact to be easier established if there is an outbreak. It doesn't trace where you have been just who you have been close to.
Also if I don't do anything wrong what have I got to be afraid of.

Arguing you don't care about the right to privacy if you have nothing to hide is no different to saying that you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.

No one is stopping you from saying what you want to say
You are comparing two completely different things here
What has privacy and free speech got to do with each other
It's like saying, I don't like eating fish, therefore I don't like eating chicken

Let's say you have old parents, grandparents or a sibling with a lung issues
Now you go out surfing with a mate who happens to have covid but you don't know that
On the way home your mate is informed he has covid or was in contact with someone with covid
Wouldn't you want to be told about that before you get home to your family and give it to them
Or
Would you rather give your family Covid because you don't want anyone knowing were you have been today
It's a no brainer for me

 

[TillLindemann]

Slightly off topic but does anyone else have concerns that the government uses overseas companies for the storage of this data but also for a lot of the other information they collect about us?

Yes!

 

[Nelson]

Slightly off topic but does anyone else have concerns that the government uses overseas companies for the storage of this data but also for a lot of the other information they collect about us?

What are your actual concerns?

 

[mike]

Slightly off topic but does anyone else have concerns that the government uses overseas companies for the storage of this data but also for a lot of the other information they collect about us?

Yes, big time

 

[Papacito]

Funny that we're having a massive national debate over privacy due to this app.

But the FAR more Orwellian metadata laws went through with barely a murmur - which mandate recording and storage for 2 years of all your location data, who you communicate with, your internet search history etc

Yeah, this is a big worry for me and has been what I see as the long promoting fear for control approach of our government. Not concerned at the levels of @Hangonaminute, particularly relating to control regarding this virus, but concerned nonetheless.

Torn on this tracing app, as I want to assist others, but as long as my government holds a pair of Australian children and their parents in ridiculously costly detention on Christmas Island at the absolute stretch of a court order, plus still chasing illegal Robodebts, whilst thousands of worried people were lining up outside Centrelink offices or unable to contact on via phone or online, then I have little to no faith in them not using it inappropriately.

Nicely said.

 

[cochise]

Slightly off topic but does anyone else have concerns that the government uses overseas companies for the storage of this data but also for a lot of the other information they collect about us?

What are your actual concerns?

The use of that data by the companies and governments of the countries where that data is stored, this isn't just related to this app, the vast majority of data that the Australian government is collecting is not being stored here. It is being stored in foreign countries and that type of data is extremely valuable. We can not place legislation around the use and access to that data when it is stored in another country.

 

[Papacito]

Slightly off topic but does anyone else have concerns that the government uses overseas companies for the storage of this data but also for a lot of the other information they collect about us?

100%

Particularly when said jurisdictions have free reign over the personal data of Australian citizens.

 

[mike]

Funny that we're having a massive national debate over privacy due to this app.

But the FAR more Orwellian metadata laws went through with barely a murmur - which mandate recording and storage for 2 years of all your location data, who you communicate with, your internet search history etc

Yep, ironic isn’t it.

 

[TillLindemann]

Slightly off topic but does anyone else have concerns that the government uses overseas companies for the storage of this data but also for a lot of the other information they collect about us?

What are your actual concerns?

Privacy aside, it's also a threat to national security. When all this data is stored in the cloud, a country like China (just an example, not trying to target them) can so much more easily get access to sensitive data on politicians, military personnel, businesses etc)

 

[mike]

Slightly off topic but does anyone else have concerns that the government uses overseas companies for the storage of this data but also for a lot of the other information they collect about us?

What are your actual concerns?

Privacy aside, it's also a threat to national security. When all this data is stored in the cloud, a country like China (just an example, not trying to target them) can so much more easily get access to sensitive data on politicians, military personnel, businesses etc)

I’m more worried about the good old US of A here than China They don’t even have to hack anything. Just get a order from a US court and they can access your data without you having any knowledge. All in the name of National Security of course. ?

 

[Guest]

The people that download this app are the same people that would let someone put a chip in their arm under the guise of your "safety"
Completely conditioned by the system, unable to see where this is all heading, fearful and willing to accept anything as long as it pacifies that fear.

People who say they don't care about privacy because they have nothing to hide should understand its no different to saying that you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say.

So go do as you're told, go download the app and give your overlords more control, they'll keep you safe.
Just like they kept everyone safe from the cruise passengers.

It blows my mind how easy it is to control the masses, the human species has sold itself out

Your tin foil hat needs adjustment.

 

[TillLindemann]

Slightly off topic but does anyone else have concerns that the government uses overseas companies for the storage of this data but also for a lot of the other information they collect about us?

What are your actual concerns?

Privacy aside, it's also a threat to national security. When all this data is stored in the cloud, a country like China (just an example, not trying to target them) can so much more easily get access to sensitive data on politicians, military personnel, businesses etc)

I’m more worried about the good old US of A here than China They don’t even have to hack anything. Just get a order from a US court and they can access your data without you having any knowledge. All in the name of National Security of course. ?

Actually Australia's probably even worse than America! Here they can not only access your data without your knowledge (and if it's deemed national security they can actually *change* it) but also make it illegal for journalists to report it.

 

[Guest]

There's no way in the world I will ever use this tracking app.

Legally, access to the data is a free for all for law enforcement agencies.

A "nah they won't" at a press conference isn't good enough for me.


??what a crack up ... I am sure you think your under the radar .. reality is they now everything about you and know exactly where you are and what you are purchasing. Do people really think they have privacy anymore ! There are more apps running on your phone now that track all your movements and thoughts ?

So if they know all that already, why do we need to download the app?

It will help capture those cases of Covid19 where the source is unknown. All the app does is note who you have been near. It doesn’t track where you have been or anything else for that matter.

So if someone you have been near tests positive to Covid19 health care can let you know that you have been in proximity of the virus. If you test positive for Covid19 health care can let those people you have been near know that they have been in close proximity of the virus.

Pretty straight forward really.

How can they know who I've been near if they don't track where I've been?

If you don't know where I've been, then you don't know where I've been, so you can't know who I've been near.

Seriously? it stores the phone number of anyone you have been in close contact with for 15 minutes.

When was the last time (during this circus) that you spent 15mins within 1.5m of a total stranger?
This app is a joke

You do realise that the app is for when restrictions are lifted? Try reading before making uninformed comments.

Are you going to spend 15m within 1.5m of a stranger when the restrictions are lifted?

I hope so

Well you are dumber than I thought.

So you won't come within 1.5 mtrs of anyone ever again?

Of course I will, I'm talking about immediately after the restrictions are lifted.

How long are you going to keep the app after restrictions are lifted?
When will you feel safe to be "app free"

I don't actually have the app, when I return to work there will be times have to be within 1.5 mtrs of people for up to an hour.

You have no knowledge of how this app is implemented but are arguing against it. You claim other people are sheep but you argue from a position of ignorance, at least research the topic before getting involved.

The biggest issue I have with this app is the location of the stored data.

You're nieve enough to trust that what they say about this app is true.
I don't trust governments, their track record speaks for itself.

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