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pawsandclaws1
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@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1203758) said:
That is one scenario. A NZ reporter tonight suggested the origin of the Covid could be the UK or Aust. Tigers5150 post below highlights the weaknesses in the NZ borders.
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@Rugba said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1203893) said:
If its from Australia, then it is a returning NZ citizen that has brought it back and either cheated quarantine or the quarantine has been inadequate. NZ border control and quarantine has been worse than Victoria.
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@tigger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1203906) said:
Everytime a plane lands at Tullamarine or Avalon, you need border control. Whoever brought it into NZ didnt drive there.
@Tiger5150 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1203910) said:
Yeah. From interstate, I guess. No international flights coming into Vic at the moment.
Maybe we should close our borders to stop the rest of you diseased Australians polluting our state (if only to show that we can if we want to). I'll drop Dan a line and suggest that.
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Truth slowly seeping out in NZ.
https://www.news.com.au/world/pacific/coronavirus-new-zealand-cluster-linked-to-quarantine-breach-winston-peters-claims/news-story/0c6e8c4a297ab5b96e7161c311f018a8
Jacinda Ardern has been globally feted as some sort of beacon of hope and saint when in fact she and her Government have done a terrible job of managing this. Her greatest achievement in combating Coronavirus has been being the leader of an island nation with bugger all people on the island.
https://www.news.com.au/world/pacific/coronavirus-new-zealand-cluster-linked-to-quarantine-breach-winston-peters-claims/news-story/0c6e8c4a297ab5b96e7161c311f018a8
Jacinda Ardern has been globally feted as some sort of beacon of hope and saint when in fact she and her Government have done a terrible job of managing this. Her greatest achievement in combating Coronavirus has been being the leader of an island nation with bugger all people on the island.
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Tiger5150
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More evidence of complete incompetence in NZ.
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/08/nearly-two-thirds-of-nz-s-covid-19-border-isolation-staff-had-never-been-tested-a-week-ago.html
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/08/nearly-two-thirds-of-nz-s-covid-19-border-isolation-staff-had-never-been-tested-a-week-ago.html
pawsandclaws1
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Another 13 cases in NZ reported in the SMH just now.
9 cases in NSW including 4 returned travellers.
372 cases and 14 deaths in Vic.
The tough lockdown in NZ didn't work. Asking citizens to forgo freedoms, work and companies income is tough when not matched with a tight quarantine system.
9 cases in NSW including 4 returned travellers.
372 cases and 14 deaths in Vic.
The tough lockdown in NZ didn't work. Asking citizens to forgo freedoms, work and companies income is tough when not matched with a tight quarantine system.
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@pawsandclaws1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1204476) said:
I think it is clear that the lockdown in NZ was successful in getting the numbers down (to 0?) in NZ however the fact that they have a low population and sparse population density with ocean borders papered over the cracks of their extremely poor border control and quarantine system. They have been feted as a success story when in fact their actions have been incompetent. They have been very lucky to date but it seems that their slackness is biting them.
cochise
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cochise
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The report into the Ruby Princess has shown that serious mistakes were made by NSW Health, I am very pleased that the reports states they have realised the mistakes they have made and would do things differently if this happened now. I wasn't looking for people to be disciplined over this just the clarity over what happened.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/ruby-princess-coronavirus-inquiry-slams-inexcusable-mistakes-made-by-nsw-health/ar-BB17WKlE?ocid=msedgntp
Ruby Princess coronavirus inquiry slams 'inexcusable' mistakes made by NSW Health
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A fishing boat sails past the Princess Cruises' Ruby Princess cruise ship as it docks in Manila Bay during the spread of the coronavirus disease (COVID-19), in Cavite city, Philippines, May 7, 2020. REUTERS/Eloisa Lopez© Thomson Reuters
An inquiry into the Ruby Princess cruise ship has identified "serious", "inexcusable" and "inexplicable" mistakes by NSW Health.
Failings that led to one of Australia's largest coronavirus outbreaks have been laid bare, with the release of the final report from an inquiry into the ill-fated voyages of the cruise ship.
But the report from the special commission of inquiry makes few recommendations, saying health authorities had recognised mistakes made, and would "do things differently if they had their time again".
"It is inappropriate and unhelpful to make recommendations to experts that in truth amount to no more than 'do your job'," Commissioner Bret Walker SC said in his report.
The inquiry was established in April after thousands of passengers were allowed to leave the cruise liner at the conclusion of two separate voyages in March.
On both occasions, the ship, owned by company Princess Cruises, was docked in Sydney, and some passengers were at the time displaying COVID-19 symptoms.
In the weeks that followed, 663 of passengers tested positive for COVID-19 in Australia, and around the world, and 28 people died.
At the time, it was Australia's worst coronavirus cluster, an undesirable title it held for months until Melbourne's hotel quarantine debacle escalated.
The commission made several key findings, labelling some of what happened as "serious mistakes", and "inexcusable".
"NSW Health should have ensured that cruise ships were aware of the change to the definition of a 'suspect case' for COVID-19 made on 10 March," the report said.
"This would have resulted in the identification of such cases on the Ruby Princess.
"NSW Health should also have ensured that such persons were isolated in cabins. These were serious mistakes," it said.
The report also said the risk rating system used by NSW Health, which saw the Ruby Princess classed as low risk, which meant no action was needed, was "inexplicable as it is unjustifiable" and "a serious mistake".
"No evidence provided to this Commission, or given by witnesses in the public hearings, comes even reasonably close to satisfactorily explaining how a decision to 'do nothing' by means of precaution was adequate, or rational," the report said.
The report also criticises a directive to allow passengers to travel interstate and internationally, against public health orders.
It then takes aim at the NSW Government for not providing passengers accommodation.
"Under the terms of the Public Health Order, the State Government should have arranged suitable accommodation for all passengers who were not residents of the State," it said.
The report only makes overarching recommendations in one chapter regarding human biosecurity arrangements, asking the state and federal departments to become more familiar with each other's roles and responsibilities.
In one section, Mr Walker explained why he made few recommendations.
"The mistakes and failures in decision-making here have, to a large extent, been recognised by the physicians of the Expert Panel, and by NSW Health more broadly," he said.
"They would do things differently if they had their time again.
"There are no 'systemic' failures to address.
"Put simply, despite the best efforts of all, some serious mistakes were made," he said.
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The NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian said she had just received the report.
"In the public interest, and for full transparency, I am releasing it immediately," she said.
"I will read it over the weekend and respond early next week."
Princess Cruises said in a statement that the report confirmed "none of out people … misled public authorities involved in Ruby Princess being permitted to disembark guests."
A NSW Police investigation into the Ruby Princess is still ongoing.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/ruby-princess-coronavirus-inquiry-slams-inexcusable-mistakes-made-by-nsw-health/ar-BB17WKlE?ocid=msedgntp
Ruby Princess coronavirus inquiry slams 'inexcusable' mistakes made by NSW Health
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A fishing boat sails past the Princess Cruises' Ruby Princess cruise ship as it docks in Manila Bay during the spread of the coronavirus disease (COVID-19), in Cavite city, Philippines, May 7, 2020. REUTERS/Eloisa Lopez© Thomson Reuters
An inquiry into the Ruby Princess cruise ship has identified "serious", "inexcusable" and "inexplicable" mistakes by NSW Health.
Failings that led to one of Australia's largest coronavirus outbreaks have been laid bare, with the release of the final report from an inquiry into the ill-fated voyages of the cruise ship.
But the report from the special commission of inquiry makes few recommendations, saying health authorities had recognised mistakes made, and would "do things differently if they had their time again".
"It is inappropriate and unhelpful to make recommendations to experts that in truth amount to no more than 'do your job'," Commissioner Bret Walker SC said in his report.
The inquiry was established in April after thousands of passengers were allowed to leave the cruise liner at the conclusion of two separate voyages in March.
On both occasions, the ship, owned by company Princess Cruises, was docked in Sydney, and some passengers were at the time displaying COVID-19 symptoms.
In the weeks that followed, 663 of passengers tested positive for COVID-19 in Australia, and around the world, and 28 people died.
At the time, it was Australia's worst coronavirus cluster, an undesirable title it held for months until Melbourne's hotel quarantine debacle escalated.
The commission made several key findings, labelling some of what happened as "serious mistakes", and "inexcusable".
"NSW Health should have ensured that cruise ships were aware of the change to the definition of a 'suspect case' for COVID-19 made on 10 March," the report said.
"This would have resulted in the identification of such cases on the Ruby Princess.
"NSW Health should also have ensured that such persons were isolated in cabins. These were serious mistakes," it said.
The report also said the risk rating system used by NSW Health, which saw the Ruby Princess classed as low risk, which meant no action was needed, was "inexplicable as it is unjustifiable" and "a serious mistake".
"No evidence provided to this Commission, or given by witnesses in the public hearings, comes even reasonably close to satisfactorily explaining how a decision to 'do nothing' by means of precaution was adequate, or rational," the report said.
The report also criticises a directive to allow passengers to travel interstate and internationally, against public health orders.
It then takes aim at the NSW Government for not providing passengers accommodation.
"Under the terms of the Public Health Order, the State Government should have arranged suitable accommodation for all passengers who were not residents of the State," it said.
The report only makes overarching recommendations in one chapter regarding human biosecurity arrangements, asking the state and federal departments to become more familiar with each other's roles and responsibilities.
In one section, Mr Walker explained why he made few recommendations.
"The mistakes and failures in decision-making here have, to a large extent, been recognised by the physicians of the Expert Panel, and by NSW Health more broadly," he said.
"They would do things differently if they had their time again.
"There are no 'systemic' failures to address.
"Put simply, despite the best efforts of all, some serious mistakes were made," he said.
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The NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian said she had just received the report.
"In the public interest, and for full transparency, I am releasing it immediately," she said.
"I will read it over the weekend and respond early next week."
Princess Cruises said in a statement that the report confirmed "none of out people … misled public authorities involved in Ruby Princess being permitted to disembark guests."
A NSW Police investigation into the Ruby Princess is still ongoing.
cochise
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https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/nsw-health-made-serious-mistakes-with-ruby-princess-inquiry-says-20200814-p55lsn.html
NSW Health has been held responsible for serious, inexcusable and inexplicable mistakes in the Ruby Princess cruise ship debacle, but a special commission of inquiry says the failures came from decisions made by medical experts rather than political leaders.
The report by Bret Walker, SC, from the Special Commission of Inquiry into the Ruby Princess was handed to the Berejiklian government on Friday afternoon, with sweeping criticisms of NSW Health.
On March 19, 2647 Ruby Princess passengers were allowed to disembark at Circular Quay and travel home, but within 24 hours three COVID-19 tests performed aboard had returned positive.
Passengers sit with their luggage after disembarking from the Ruby Princess cruise ship on March 19 at Circular Quay.
Passengers sit with their luggage after disembarking from the Ruby Princess cruise ship on March 19 at Circular Quay.CREDIT:KATE GERAGHTY
In the weeks that followed, 712 passengers and 202 crew tested positive and 22 people died. But only 19 people in NSW and 15 people interstate were infected by those passengers.
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Mr Walker's report says NSW Health should have ensured ships were aware of the change to the definition of a "suspect case" for COVID-19 made nine days before the ship docked in Sydney.
"This would have resulted in the identification of such cases on the Ruby Princess – 101 persons fell within the suspect case definition by March 18, and 120 by the time the ship docked," it says.
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"NSW Health should also have ensured that such persons were isolated in cabins. These were serious mistakes by NSW Health."
The report also warned that the failure to ensure swabs were collected by an on-board health assessment team "was a serious failure by NSW Health".
Mr Walker describes the delay in obtaining test results for the swabs taken from the Ruby Princess on the morning of March 19 as "inexcusable".
"Those swabs should have been tested immediately," he wrote in his report.
One of Mr Walker's harshest criticisms was also directed at the federal government.
Mr Walker said many people were of "great assistance" during the inquiry, including the NSW Police Commissioner, but said the "one fly in the ointment ... is the stance of the Commonwealth".
"A summons to a Commonwealth officer to attend and give evidence about the grant of pratique for the Ruby Princess was met with steps towards proceedings in the High Court of Australia," the report says.
"Quite how this met the Prime Minister’s early assurance of full co-operation with the commission escapes me."
The report also highlights the state government's failure to have arranged "suitable accommodation for all passengers" after they disembarked who were not residents of NSW.
"The directive to allow passengers to onward travel interstate and internationally after disembarkation on March 19 did not appropriately contemplate or comply with the terms of the Public Health Order that came into effect on March 17," the report notes.
The health order required all cruise ship passengers entering the state from any other country to isolate themselves "in suitable accommodation for 14 days".
It also said passengers were initially given the wrong information about self-isolation.
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"Passengers were incorrectly advised by the ABF [Australian Border Force] during the cruise that their 14-day period of self-isolation would commence from the date of departure from the last overseas port visited by the Ruby Princess, being Napier on March 15," the report says.
"This inaccuracy was later clarified during disembarkation at the Overseas Passenger Terminal on March 19, when passengers were provided with a fact sheet published by the Commonwealth Department of Health which relevantly instructed them to self-isolate for 14 days from their arrival in Sydney."
But Mr Walker said a fact sheet linked to an email sent to passengers at 10.46am on March 20 wrongly advised that they were allowed to continue with onward travel, despite being identified as "close contacts" of a confirmed COVID-19 case.
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"Although this advice was corrected by NSW Health by the evening of March 21, it was at that stage too late to prevent a considerable number of interstate and international passengers from onward travelling, including some passengers who were symptomatic during transit," Mr Walker wrote.
But Mr Walker stressed that despite a range of serious mistakes by NSW Health, there were no "systemic" failures to address.
"The mistakes made by NSW Health public health physicians were not made here because they failed to treat the threat of COVID-19 seriously," Mr Walker wrote.
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"They were not made because they were disorganised, or did not have proper processes in place to develop a plan to assess the risks posed by this disease, and how to limit those risks.
"Those physicians relied on the best science, not pseudo-science or matters of political convenience. They were diligent, and properly organised.
"Put simply, despite the best efforts of all, some serious mistakes were made."
Premier Gladys Berejiklian said she would be making more detailed comments next week.
"In the public interest and for full transparency I am releasing it immediately," she said.
"I have just received the report. I will read it over the weekend and respond early next week.
Mr Walker defended his decision not to call NSW Health Minister Brad Hazzard to appear before the inquiry and said calls for Mr Hazzard's resignation were unnecessary.
NSW Labor repeatedly called for Mr Hazzard to step down in the weeks after the cruise ship debacle.
"Of course a minister should resign in some circumstances, but as this commission sees it, without wading into the partisan politics, this case would not appear to fit that outcome," Mr Walker wrote.
"The failures were professional – failures in decision-making by experts. They are not, as to their expert judgments, subject to ministerial direction. Nor should they be, unless our system of government were to become farcical."
In a statement from Princess Cruises, which is owned by Carnival Corporation, it said "our hearts go out to everyone who has been affected, particularly those who lost loved ones".
"The commission’s report confirms that none of our people – the captain, the ship’s doctor, or members of our shoreside port agency teams – misled public authorities involved in Ruby Princess being permitted to disembark guests on March 19," the statement said.
"We acknowledge the commission’s specific comments about Carnival and we will consider these comments to the fullest possible extent."
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One of the criticisms of Carnival was that it should have ensured that the ship's doctor Ilse von Watzdorf was made aware of the change to the definition of a "suspect case".
"They should also have ensured that passengers and crew aboard the Ruby Princess were informed that there were suspect cases of COVID-19 on board. Those persons meeting the definition of a suspect case should have been required to isolate in their cabins," the report says.
NSW Labor leader Jodi McKay said the opposition was the first to call for the special commission of inquiry and Ms Berejiklian should "issue a sincere apology for these serious failings".
"We maintained from the beginning that the failings of the NSW government led to this major public health crisis," Ms McKay said.
NSW Health has been held responsible for serious, inexcusable and inexplicable mistakes in the Ruby Princess cruise ship debacle, but a special commission of inquiry says the failures came from decisions made by medical experts rather than political leaders.
The report by Bret Walker, SC, from the Special Commission of Inquiry into the Ruby Princess was handed to the Berejiklian government on Friday afternoon, with sweeping criticisms of NSW Health.
On March 19, 2647 Ruby Princess passengers were allowed to disembark at Circular Quay and travel home, but within 24 hours three COVID-19 tests performed aboard had returned positive.
Passengers sit with their luggage after disembarking from the Ruby Princess cruise ship on March 19 at Circular Quay.
Passengers sit with their luggage after disembarking from the Ruby Princess cruise ship on March 19 at Circular Quay.CREDIT:KATE GERAGHTY
In the weeks that followed, 712 passengers and 202 crew tested positive and 22 people died. But only 19 people in NSW and 15 people interstate were infected by those passengers.
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Mr Walker's report says NSW Health should have ensured ships were aware of the change to the definition of a "suspect case" for COVID-19 made nine days before the ship docked in Sydney.
"This would have resulted in the identification of such cases on the Ruby Princess – 101 persons fell within the suspect case definition by March 18, and 120 by the time the ship docked," it says.
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"NSW Health should also have ensured that such persons were isolated in cabins. These were serious mistakes by NSW Health."
The report also warned that the failure to ensure swabs were collected by an on-board health assessment team "was a serious failure by NSW Health".
Mr Walker describes the delay in obtaining test results for the swabs taken from the Ruby Princess on the morning of March 19 as "inexcusable".
"Those swabs should have been tested immediately," he wrote in his report.
One of Mr Walker's harshest criticisms was also directed at the federal government.
Mr Walker said many people were of "great assistance" during the inquiry, including the NSW Police Commissioner, but said the "one fly in the ointment ... is the stance of the Commonwealth".
"A summons to a Commonwealth officer to attend and give evidence about the grant of pratique for the Ruby Princess was met with steps towards proceedings in the High Court of Australia," the report says.
"Quite how this met the Prime Minister’s early assurance of full co-operation with the commission escapes me."
The report also highlights the state government's failure to have arranged "suitable accommodation for all passengers" after they disembarked who were not residents of NSW.
"The directive to allow passengers to onward travel interstate and internationally after disembarkation on March 19 did not appropriately contemplate or comply with the terms of the Public Health Order that came into effect on March 17," the report notes.
The health order required all cruise ship passengers entering the state from any other country to isolate themselves "in suitable accommodation for 14 days".
It also said passengers were initially given the wrong information about self-isolation.
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"Passengers were incorrectly advised by the ABF [Australian Border Force] during the cruise that their 14-day period of self-isolation would commence from the date of departure from the last overseas port visited by the Ruby Princess, being Napier on March 15," the report says.
"This inaccuracy was later clarified during disembarkation at the Overseas Passenger Terminal on March 19, when passengers were provided with a fact sheet published by the Commonwealth Department of Health which relevantly instructed them to self-isolate for 14 days from their arrival in Sydney."
But Mr Walker said a fact sheet linked to an email sent to passengers at 10.46am on March 20 wrongly advised that they were allowed to continue with onward travel, despite being identified as "close contacts" of a confirmed COVID-19 case.
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"Although this advice was corrected by NSW Health by the evening of March 21, it was at that stage too late to prevent a considerable number of interstate and international passengers from onward travelling, including some passengers who were symptomatic during transit," Mr Walker wrote.
But Mr Walker stressed that despite a range of serious mistakes by NSW Health, there were no "systemic" failures to address.
"The mistakes made by NSW Health public health physicians were not made here because they failed to treat the threat of COVID-19 seriously," Mr Walker wrote.
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"They were not made because they were disorganised, or did not have proper processes in place to develop a plan to assess the risks posed by this disease, and how to limit those risks.
"Those physicians relied on the best science, not pseudo-science or matters of political convenience. They were diligent, and properly organised.
"Put simply, despite the best efforts of all, some serious mistakes were made."
Premier Gladys Berejiklian said she would be making more detailed comments next week.
"In the public interest and for full transparency I am releasing it immediately," she said.
"I have just received the report. I will read it over the weekend and respond early next week.
Mr Walker defended his decision not to call NSW Health Minister Brad Hazzard to appear before the inquiry and said calls for Mr Hazzard's resignation were unnecessary.
NSW Labor repeatedly called for Mr Hazzard to step down in the weeks after the cruise ship debacle.
"Of course a minister should resign in some circumstances, but as this commission sees it, without wading into the partisan politics, this case would not appear to fit that outcome," Mr Walker wrote.
"The failures were professional – failures in decision-making by experts. They are not, as to their expert judgments, subject to ministerial direction. Nor should they be, unless our system of government were to become farcical."
In a statement from Princess Cruises, which is owned by Carnival Corporation, it said "our hearts go out to everyone who has been affected, particularly those who lost loved ones".
"The commission’s report confirms that none of our people – the captain, the ship’s doctor, or members of our shoreside port agency teams – misled public authorities involved in Ruby Princess being permitted to disembark guests on March 19," the statement said.
"We acknowledge the commission’s specific comments about Carnival and we will consider these comments to the fullest possible extent."
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One of the criticisms of Carnival was that it should have ensured that the ship's doctor Ilse von Watzdorf was made aware of the change to the definition of a "suspect case".
"They should also have ensured that passengers and crew aboard the Ruby Princess were informed that there were suspect cases of COVID-19 on board. Those persons meeting the definition of a suspect case should have been required to isolate in their cabins," the report says.
NSW Labor leader Jodi McKay said the opposition was the first to call for the special commission of inquiry and Ms Berejiklian should "issue a sincere apology for these serious failings".
"We maintained from the beginning that the failings of the NSW government led to this major public health crisis," Ms McKay said.
Many years ago I had a discussion with a Qld Workplace Safety inspector. I asked him how he could determine that a workplace incident was foreseeable (which made it a punishable offence). He answered "Well, did an accident happen?"
I said "Yes"
"Then it was foreseeable", he answered.
I was a bit amused by the response at the time, which could only have the result that there would ALWAYS be a guilty party. But it has a great deal in common with they way many people are treating the recent outbreaks of coronavirus arising from the Ruby princess debacle, the quarantine failure in Victoria and the recent small upsurge in NZ.
Personally I can't see any value arising from the comments of those trying to use 20/20 hindsight to make some sort of political statement. There is value in allowing enquiries to do their jobs and to learn from and correct mistakes that have been made.
This constant carping about failure on the part of political leadership adds nothing at all to the learning. I think it's just an unwelcome distraction from the task of reining in this latest outbreak, particularly because it's happening WHILE we're trying to rein in the outbreak.
It's also worth noting that these outbreaks and upsurges appear to be happening all around the world, so it's not as if containment of this disease is a simple matter. With the benefit of hindsight any idiot can claim that the circumstances were reasonably foreseeable.
I said "Yes"
"Then it was foreseeable", he answered.
I was a bit amused by the response at the time, which could only have the result that there would ALWAYS be a guilty party. But it has a great deal in common with they way many people are treating the recent outbreaks of coronavirus arising from the Ruby princess debacle, the quarantine failure in Victoria and the recent small upsurge in NZ.
Personally I can't see any value arising from the comments of those trying to use 20/20 hindsight to make some sort of political statement. There is value in allowing enquiries to do their jobs and to learn from and correct mistakes that have been made.
This constant carping about failure on the part of political leadership adds nothing at all to the learning. I think it's just an unwelcome distraction from the task of reining in this latest outbreak, particularly because it's happening WHILE we're trying to rein in the outbreak.
It's also worth noting that these outbreaks and upsurges appear to be happening all around the world, so it's not as if containment of this disease is a simple matter. With the benefit of hindsight any idiot can claim that the circumstances were reasonably foreseeable.
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Unions on the rampage over the latest COVID security outbreak in Sydney
Supposedly the company is a Singaporean based security company that sub contracts all its work out to the cheapest bidder
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pawsandclaws1
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Speaking of signings, our PM, Scotty from marketing, has signed us up for a vaccine that doesn't exist! Outstanding.
Headlines read - snakes lining up to give oil in the national interest (for free)
Headlines read - snakes lining up to give oil in the national interest (for free)
Tim Sheens
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@pawsandclaws1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1208333) said:
Come on, it is a lot worse than that, as we haven't signed up for anything and far from first in line, because other countries have actually signed up. Just marketing to gain the media narrative from aged care failures.
@Papacito said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1208288) said:
Should have been military guarding the hotel quarantines.
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