Coronavirus Outbreak

[Cultured_Bogan]

You have to take your hat off to Dan Andrews.

The bloke copped it left right and centre in the media but stuck to his guns and brought cases down from over 700 in a day to 13 days of zero cases.

Real leadership.

Maybe ask the families of the 700 murdered by the total stuff ups by him and his government . Nothing was good from the labor gov in Victoria in that period nothing !!!
Maybe when manslaughter charges are laid on individuals there might be some justice..

Righto, so just about every leader in Europe and the continental Americas are mass murderers then by extension, including your mate Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. Turn it up Snake, get past your blind hatred for the Labor party. What are your thoughts on the Ruby Princess fiasco which kicked it all off here?

No one is saying they are blameless. They mismanaged the outbreak and had to take significant punitive measures to reel it in at great political, health and economic cost. But because of that we are on our way to being a chance of having a short term eradication. No community cases found nationwide for four or five days now.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

You have to take your hat off to Dan Andrews.

The bloke copped it left right and centre in the media but stuck to his guns and brought cases down from over 700 in a day to 13 days of zero cases.

Real leadership.

Maybe ask the families of the 700 murdered by the total stuff ups by him and his government . Nothing was good from the labor gov in Victoria in that period nothing !!!
Maybe when manslaughter charges are laid on individuals there might be some justice..

Righto, so just about every leader in Europe and the continental Americas are mass murderers then by extension, including your mate Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. Turn it up Snake, get past your blind hatred for the Labor party. What are your thoughts on the Ruby Princess fiasco which kicked it all off here?

No one is saying they are blameless. They mismanaged the outbreak and had to take significant punitive measures to reel it in at great political, health and economic cost. But because of that we are on our way to being a chance of having a short term eradication. No community cases found nationwide for four or five days now.

@Cultured Bogan .... on the basis of your reasoned and intelligent response, you are clearly more "cultured" than "bogan".

@Snake, on the otherhand, you live up to your profile name perfectly. That is, a threat to a decent and intelligent society based on your poisonous irrational and disrespectful communication, and, more than likely, to end up as road kill to be cleaned up by some under-paid council worker.

Go the Bogans!

We have varied political representation at state levels across the country and they have both handled it well and poorly.

Consider Romania, Netherlands, Chile, Kazakhstan, Guatemala and Ecuador all have smaller populations than us and multiple times the death toll and multiples again in confirmed cases. We are positioned 92nd in the world for confirmed cases and 75th in deaths.

I'm equal parts culture and bogan haha.

 

[happy_tiger]

You have to take your hat off to Dan Andrews.

The bloke copped it left right and centre in the media but stuck to his guns and brought cases down from over 700 in a day to 13 days of zero cases.

Real leadership.

Maybe ask the families of the 700 murdered by the total stuff ups by him and his government . Nothing was good from the labor gov in Victoria in that period nothing !!!
Maybe when manslaughter charges are laid on individuals there might be some justice..

Righto, so just about every leader in Europe and the continental Americas are mass murderers then by extension, including your mate Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. Turn it up Snake, get past your blind hatred for the Labor party. What are your thoughts on the Ruby Princess fiasco which kicked it all off here?

No one is saying they are blameless. They mismanaged the outbreak and had to take significant punitive measures to reel it in at great political, health and economic cost. But because of that we are on our way to being a chance of having a short term eradication. No community cases found nationwide for four or five days now.

@Cultured Bogan .... on the basis of your reasoned and intelligent response, you are clearly more "cultured" than "bogan".

@Snake, on the otherhand, you live up to your profile name perfectly. That is, a threat to a decent and intelligent society based on your poisonous irrational and disrespectful communication, and, more than likely, to end up as road kill to be cleaned up by some under-paid council worker.

Go the Bogans!

We have varied political representation at state levels across the country and they have both handled it well and poorly.

Consider Romania, Netherlands, Chile, Kazakhstan, Guatemala and Ecuador all have smaller populations than us and multiple times the death toll and multiples again in confirmed cases. We are positioned 92nd in the world for confirmed cases and 75th in deaths.

I'm equal parts culture and bogan haha.

Just add grog to change that equality lol

 

[Tiger5150]

You have to take your hat off to Dan Andrews.

The bloke copped it left right and centre in the media but stuck to his guns and brought cases down from over 700 in a day to 13 days of zero cases.

Real leadership.

Maybe ask the families of the 700 murdered by the total stuff ups by him and his government . Nothing was good from the labor gov in Victoria in that period nothing !!!
Maybe when manslaughter charges are laid on individuals there might be some justice..

Righto, so just about every leader in Europe and the continental Americas are mass murderers then by extension, including your mate Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. Turn it up Snake, get past your blind hatred for the Labor party. What are your thoughts on the Ruby Princess fiasco which kicked it all off here?

No one is saying they are blameless. They mismanaged the outbreak and had to take significant punitive measures to reel it in at great political, health and economic cost. But because of that we are on our way to being a chance of having a short term eradication. No community cases found nationwide for four or five days now.

@Cultured Bogan .... on the basis of your reasoned and intelligent response, you are clearly more "cultured" than "bogan".

@Snake, on the otherhand, you live up to your profile name perfectly. That is, a threat to a decent and intelligent society based on your poisonous irrational and disrespectful communication, and, more than likely, to end up as road kill to be cleaned up by some under-paid council worker.

Go the Bogans!

We have varied political representation at state levels across the country and they have both handled it well and poorly.

Consider *Romania, Netherlands, Chile, Kazakhstan, Guatemala and Ecuador *all have smaller populations than us and multiple times the death toll and multiples again in confirmed cases. We are positioned 92nd in the world for confirmed cases and 75th in deaths.

I'm equal parts culture and bogan haha.

How many of them are girt by sea?

 

[Tim Sheens]

I have just read a very interesting fact about the vaccine that has been developed in that it needs to be stored at -80C to be effective(BBC website).Undoubtedly this will complicate matters as i cant imagine too many places having the facilities for that.Hope i am wrong

Its not so much the storage, its the transportation that becomes the issue. The labs that are used to create it are all in the US or Europe which means we will have to find a way to transport it to Australia at around -75C. Apparently we have been looking at this issue for a couple of months so hopefully we are well down the planning phase.

Transporting it around a city isn't too bad as dry ice is -78C so that can be used and maintain the temp for a couple of days.

Simplest solution would be bringing the patients to the vaccine ...wouldn't it

Not when it is being produced overseas, getting it into the country is going to be a logistical nightmare.

In regards to transporting it around the city. The company that I have just taken a job running sells dry ice to a lot of medical, biomedical and genetics labs for the purpose of transporting this type of product around Sydney.

When this starts rolling out on a large scale they are going to want to have multiple site delivering the vaccine across the city and into regional areas.

Might be about to get very busy in your new field.

On another note, as Australia has suffered more than 75% of our virus deaths from aged care facilities, is anybody aware of another country being close to as poor, or even worse than our disastrous figure in this area?

Deaths in the lower age groups start to occur when the health system gets overwhelmed, we have been able to prevent that in Australia which probably contributes to our higher percentage of deaths in aged care facilities.

Have had a look around to see how this may stack up and cannot find anything as poor as Australia's Covid record in aged care, particularly when not part of the initial wave that there was little time to prepare for. The look over there (blame Andrews) and strategically timed announcements of this and that approach, has thus far let both the industry and more importantly, the Morrison government off the hook for their utter failure in enacting procedures and provision of equipment despite the huge advantage that time provided.

And the following regarding our facilities from https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32206-6/fulltext

Eagar, who has undertaken research commissioned by the Royal Commission into the adequacy of residential aged care staffing, found that quality and safety in homes is driven by four factors: total staff numbers, staff skill mix, staff continuity, and clinical governance.

“Our aged care sector basically failed on every one of those dimensions and that is unlike Australia—we're well above the international standards on health care”, she said. **“It's unusual for us to fail so badly but we are much worse than comparable countries.”**

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The Guardian reports a Japanese Ministry of Health release that a 3rd wave of Covid has hit Japan with over 1700 new cases reported over the weekend

In South Australia a huge AOG church is situated in the epicentre of the outbreak, with another nearby.

It should be noted the quarantine of overseas arrivals has been suspended in SA. This looks to be serious as SA were not testing staff working in the quarantine system for Covid 19. It's about time Victoria started to receive returning traveller's and Qld lifted significantly the numbers it takes in.

Greg Hunt's message to South Australians, download the Covid Safe App with 0% success rate!

 

[jadtiger]

USA is reporing 150k+ new cases on an almost daily basis and winter hasnt even started yet.An extremely difficult and challenging time ahead for them.At least with a 2nd vaccine with an almost 95% success rate there is a glimmer of hope but not for the northern winter.

 

[mike]

Brilliant by the Germans

https://twitter.com/antoni_uk/status/1327701477008285696?s=21

 

[Tim Sheens]

USA is reporing 150k+ new cases on an almost daily basis and winter hasnt even started yet.An extremely difficult and challenging time ahead for them.At least with a 2nd vaccine with an almost 95% success rate there is a glimmer of hope but not for the northern winter.

Yeah, looking like good news again prior to peer review and a lot better in that the storage and transport temperature is only normal freezer levels for the latest one.

 

[jadtiger]

USA is reporing 150k+ new cases on an almost daily basis and winter hasnt even started yet.An extremely difficult and challenging time ahead for them.At least with a 2nd vaccine with an almost 95% success rate there is a glimmer of hope but not for the northern winter.

Yeah, looking like good news again prior to peer review and a lot better in that the storage and transport temperature is only normal freezer levels for the latest one.

Yes it looks more positive than the first vaccine from Pfizer.Also the Russians are claiming their vaccine is 92% effective though i am not sure how much creedence you can put on that.

 

[jadtiger]

Brilliant by the Germans

https://twitter.com/antoni_uk/status/1327701477008285696?s=21

Terrific adds

 

[Tim Sheens]

Edited, as I noticed a swear word in the next sentence, but that left pretty well covers the thread.

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[tigger]

With a lot of hard work and sacrifice Australia has been fairly successful in suppressing the local transmission of Covid19.

Ruby Princess aside, the outbreaks that we have seen have been related to hotel quarantine. In the case of Victoria there appears to have been a breakdown in infection control protocols. The precise cause of the outbreak in SA is not yet determined but the source has been identified as being related to the hotel quarantine process.

I think it's fair enough to say that an alternative to hotel quarantine is now required. Our governments needs to address this. The outbreaks in both Vic and SA have provided ample warning that this form of quarantine is not fully effective.

 

[Tim Sheens]

With a lot of hard work and sacrifice Australia has been fairly successful in suppressing the local transmission of Covid19.

Ruby Princess aside, the outbreaks that we have seen have been related to hotel quarantine. In the case of Victoria there appears to have been a breakdown in infection control protocols. The precise cause of the outbreak in SA is not yet determined but the source has been identified as being related to the hotel quarantine process.

I think it's fair enough to say that an alternative to hotel quarantine is now required. Our governments needs to address this. The outbreaks in both Vic and SA have provided ample warning that this form of quarantine is not fully effective.

I agree and it is ridiculous after all this time to still have staff working across multiple facilities.

Was just listening to a report from SA that unlike Victoria, they "got lucky", in that the initial case was discovered because of persistence in getting that person to get a test despite negligible symptoms.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Wait time is 7 to 8 hours at the testing booth at Parafield. If you have lived in Adelaide you'll know 30 degrees is unpleasant. I wish our Premier would assist with staff, equipment and testing facilities. Gladys has a gold star for the way she has handled Covud but it would seal her status by offering assistance to the croweaters.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

9 Adelaide reporting a significant escalation is expected in the delayed announcement by Premier Marshall. I hope this not the case.

 

[happy_tiger]

Wait time is 7 to 8 hours at the testing booth at Parafield. If you have lived in Adelaide you'll know 30 degrees is unpleasant. I wish our Premier would assist with staff, equipment and testing facilities. Gladys has a gold star for the way she has handled Covud but it would seal her status by offering assistance to the croweaters.

I'll take 30 degrees at 30% humidity than 30 degrees @ 60-70 % humidity ...but yeah 30 degrees is a pain

 

[Tim Sheens]

Congratulations in order for the instant lockdowns getting put in place in South Australia and a reminder that advice is being sought from Victoria on it's approach then used as a template for some countries, including night time curfews that have worked in drastically reducing Belgium's infection rate from one of, if not the world's worst a couple of weeks ago.


 

[pawsandclaws1]

Woodville Pizza Bar - security guard at one of the medi hotels also moonlighted at the Pizza Bar. He allegedly lied and told tracers he dropped in to get a pizza! It has thrown Adelaide into lock down and boosted supermarket sales.