Coronavirus Outbreak

[JD Tiger]

On vaccines everyone should know that every vaccine has the chance of producing an allergic reaction in people. There is no evidence at all that the COVID vaccines lead to an increased allergic reaction.

So please don't believe the dribble from some of the posters on here.

And even though some allergic reactions could be fatal in some people, and we have no way in knowing now what those numbers could be, I still think the vaccines are what we should do.

We have to try, don't vaccinate and you know the virus and its affects are going to kill more people.

For me, bottom line is most of the smartest most experienced specialists in the world have been working on these vaccinations. Im confident in their abilities, not to necessarily always get it right, but to have the best chance of getting it right.

I have loved close to me in high risk categories, I know I will be getting the vaccination when its available. I feel Id be negligent not to.

 

[jadtiger]

On vaccines everyone should know that every vaccine has the chance of producing an allergic reaction in people. There is no evidence at all that the COVID vaccines lead to an increased allergic reaction.

So please don't believe the dribble from some of the posters on here.

And even though some allergic reactions could be fatal in some people, and we have no way in knowing now what those numbers could be, I still think the vaccines are what we should do.

We have to try, don't vaccinate and you know the virus and its affects are going to kill more people.

For me, bottom line is most of the smartest most experienced specialists in the world have been working on these vaccinations. Im confident in their abilities, not to necessarily always get it right, but to have the best chance of getting it right.

I have loved close to me in high risk categories, I know I will be getting the vaccination when its available. I feel Id be negligent not to.

Sensible post. It is not just yourself who you should be concerned about but your relatives friends associates and everybody you come into contact with.There is an old saying which states the obvious "United we stand divided we fall",as a nation we should go as close to saturation vaccination as we can.

 

[TillLindemann]

Some good news.

We can expect global deaths to start falling soon. Daily new infections have dropped by around 200,000-250,000 per day since the start of January (the weekly peaks at the start of the month were about 850,000, now it is closer to 600,000). Deaths are still around record highs, but obviously deaths lag infections by several weeks.

This is probably a combination of tougher measure in the northern hemisphere, and early stages of the vaccine rollout in some countries. We should see deaths start to come down noticeably about mid February.

One disclaimer is that it appears to be getting worse in Africa, but testing there is to be taken with a grain of salt - it could be far worse than we realise in the poorer parts of Africa.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

How the US can be considered anything other than the worst response to COVID is beyond me. They have been horrendous and it has been reflected in their death toll.


In fairness they are rated as the worst "first world" country as i would consider the 4 countries behind them are developing countries.

All the more reason why they should be considered the worst overall.

First world is a stretch at the moment. They are basically Pakistan with a space programme at this point.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Some good news.

We can expect global deaths to start falling soon. Daily new infections have dropped by around 200,000-250,000 per day since the start of January (the weekly peaks at the start of the month were about 850,000, now it is closer to 600,000). Deaths are still around record highs, but obviously deaths lag infections by several weeks.

This is probably a combination of tougher measure in the northern hemisphere, and early stages of the vaccine rollout in some countries. We should see deaths start to come down noticeably about mid February.

One disclaimer is that it appears to be getting worse in Africa, but testing there is to be taken with a grain of salt - it could be far worse than we realise in the poorer parts of Africa.

Generally agree as the case graphs are looking a lot better following various lockdown measures worldwide, though I am concerned that even allowing for the lag, deaths should have been dropping a fair bit further by now for mine.

If so, unsure of the reasons for now, but expect that the low test rates from many of the countries experiencing spikes will have been the main contributor to the disparity playing out.

 

[Tiger5150]

Some good news.

We can expect global deaths to start falling soon. Daily new infections have dropped by around 200,000-250,000 per day since the start of January (the weekly peaks at the start of the month were about 850,000, now it is closer to 600,000). Deaths are still around record highs, but obviously deaths lag infections by several weeks.

This is probably a combination of tougher measure in the northern hemisphere, and early stages of the vaccine rollout in some countries. We should see deaths start to come down noticeably about mid February.

One disclaimer is that it appears to be getting worse in Africa, but testing there is to be taken with a grain of salt - it could be far worse than we realise in the poorer parts of Africa.

Generally agree as the case graphs are looking a lot better following various lockdown measures worldwide, though I am concerned that even allowing for the lag, deaths should have been dropping a fair bit further by now for mine.

If so, unsure of the reasons for now, but expect that the low test rates from many of the countries experiencing spikes will have been the main contributor to the disparity playing out.

I expect the gap between haves and have nots to expand over the next six months

 

[Kul]

My test came back negative.

 

[cochise]

My test came back negative.

That's good to hear!

 

[hank37w]

My test came back negative.

That is really good news.
Must be pretty scary over there with the numbers that come out on a daily basis, just can't imagine it.
Stay safe.

 

[mike]

My test came back negative.

Great news. Stay safe.

 

[Kul]

My test came back negative.

That is really good news.
Must be pretty scary over there with the numbers that come out on a daily basis, just can't imagine it.
Stay safe.

Honestly, no, not really.

I know so many people who've had it. maybe 25% of my colleagues? A decent number of my rugby team had it back in Feb (including me). Perhaps somewhere between a quarter and a half of my acquaintences have had it at some stage and it's not been an issue. A small number were ill to the point of it being like a bad cold, otherwise it's not been an issue.

Now all these people are aged between 20 and 40 and are otherwise healthy, so this fits in line with what you see generally across the globe.

A quick look at yesterdays NHS England Stats paints the picture:
69,801 deaths in England up to 27 Jan
26,367 were aged 60-79 (38%)
38,240 were aged 80+ (55%)
4,714 were aged 40-59 (7%)
480 were aged less than 40 (less than 1%)

You can therefore understand why vaccinating the over 75's is going to make such a huge difference. And the good news is that they have pretty much vaccinated them all now.

Another layer to this underlying conditions.
95.8% of people who have died have had an underlying condition.
The most common underlying conditions are Diabetes (26%), Dementia (17%), Kidney Disease (17%) and Pulmonary Disease (17%), all things typical of the older cohorts. I'm being realistic in saying that these aren't issues of us young people.

Once the vulnerable are vaccinated things should move from a lockdown imposed on all to a shielding of the vulnerable policy, as "we young people" are not at significant risk, or are at much less risk where the risks of lockdown outweighs the risks of COVID


Full stats available here:
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/


Once the most vulnerable are vaccinated then I'm of the belief that things need to move quickly from a "universal lockdown" to a "personal responsibility" basis. The economy and people's metal health can't keep going like this and I miss the pub!

 

[Kul]

443,985 more people vaccinated here in the last 24 hours.
That’s 7,891,184 people who’ve received the first does of either the Pfizer (mRNA) or Oxford (viral vector) vaccines.

Still no unusual issues reported.

I’ll check the stats tomorrow in case anything changes.

 

[Tiger5150]

My mate in Hungary has been transferred to hospital, cant breathe.

Im getting tested today (unrelated obviously)

 

[Red88_Tiger]

My test came back negative.

That is really good news.
Must be pretty scary over there with the numbers that come out on a daily basis, just can't imagine it.
Stay safe.


Honestly, no, not really.

I know so many people who've had it. maybe 25% of my colleagues? A decent number of my rugby team had it back in Feb (including me). Perhaps somewhere between a quarter and a half of my acquaintences have had it at some stage and it's not been an issue. A small number were ill to the point of it being like a bad cold, otherwise it's not been an issue.

Now all these people are aged between 20 and 40 and are otherwise healthy, so this fits in line with what you see generally across the globe.

A quick look at yesterdays NHS England Stats paints the picture:
69,801 deaths in England up to 27 Jan
26,367 were aged 60-79 (38%)
38,240 were aged 80+ (55%)
4,714 were aged 40-59 (7%)
480 were aged less than 40 (less than 1%)

You can therefore understand why vaccinating the over 75's is going to make such a huge difference. And the good news is that they have pretty much vaccinated them all now.

Another layer to this underlying conditions.
95.8% of people who have died have had an underlying condition.
The most common underlying conditions are Diabetes (26%), Dementia (17%), Kidney Disease (17%) and Pulmonary Disease (17%), all things typical of the older cohorts. I'm being realistic in saying that these aren't issues of us young people.

Once the vulnerable are vaccinated things should move from a lockdown imposed on all to a shielding of the vulnerable policy, as "we young people" are not at significant risk, or are at much less risk where the risks of lockdown outweighs the risks of COVID


Full stats available here:
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/


Once the most vulnerable are vaccinated then I'm of the belief that things need to move quickly from a "universal lockdown" to a "personal responsibility" basis. The economy and people's metal health can't keep going like this and I miss the pub!

I’m a little surprised asthma is not there in those stats

 

[mike]

My test came back negative.

That is really good news.
Must be pretty scary over there with the numbers that come out on a daily basis, just can't imagine it.
Stay safe.


Honestly, no, not really.

I know so many people who've had it. maybe 25% of my colleagues? A decent number of my rugby team had it back in Feb (including me). Perhaps somewhere between a quarter and a half of my acquaintences have had it at some stage and it's not been an issue. A small number were ill to the point of it being like a bad cold, otherwise it's not been an issue.

Now all these people are aged between 20 and 40 and are otherwise healthy, so this fits in line with what you see generally across the globe.

A quick look at yesterdays NHS England Stats paints the picture:
69,801 deaths in England up to 27 Jan
26,367 were aged 60-79 (38%)
38,240 were aged 80+ (55%)
4,714 were aged 40-59 (7%)
480 were aged less than 40 (less than 1%)

You can therefore understand why vaccinating the over 75's is going to make such a huge difference. And the good news is that they have pretty much vaccinated them all now.

Another layer to this underlying conditions.
95.8% of people who have died have had an underlying condition.
The most common underlying conditions are Diabetes (26%), Dementia (17%), Kidney Disease (17%) and Pulmonary Disease (17%), all things typical of the older cohorts. I'm being realistic in saying that these aren't issues of us young people.

Once the vulnerable are vaccinated things should move from a lockdown imposed on all to a shielding of the vulnerable policy, as "we young people" are not at significant risk, or are at much less risk where the risks of lockdown outweighs the risks of COVID


Full stats available here:
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/


Once the most vulnerable are vaccinated then I'm of the belief that things need to move quickly from a "universal lockdown" to a "personal responsibility" basis. The economy and people's metal health can't keep going like this and I miss the pub!

I’m a little surprised asthma is not there in those stats

Steroid based asthma puffers probably have a lot todo with that.

 

[happy_tiger]

On vaccines everyone should know that every vaccine has the chance of producing an allergic reaction in people. There is no evidence at all that the COVID vaccines lead to an increased allergic reaction.

So please don't believe the dribble from some of the posters on here.

Exactly ...if you have allergic issues with other medications you'll probably have allergic reactions with the current vaccine ....and both the producer and person would know that

 

[hank37w]

My test came back negative.

That is really good news.
Must be pretty scary over there with the numbers that come out on a daily basis, just can't imagine it.
Stay safe.


Honestly, no, not really.

I know so many people who've had it. maybe 25% of my colleagues? A decent number of my rugby team had it back in Feb (including me). Perhaps somewhere between a quarter and a half of my acquaintences have had it at some stage and it's not been an issue. A small number were ill to the point of it being like a bad cold, otherwise it's not been an issue.

Now all these people are aged between 20 and 40 and are otherwise healthy, so this fits in line with what you see generally across the globe.

A quick look at yesterdays NHS England Stats paints the picture:
69,801 deaths in England up to 27 Jan
26,367 were aged 60-79 (38%)
38,240 were aged 80+ (55%)
4,714 were aged 40-59 (7%)
480 were aged less than 40 (less than 1%)

You can therefore understand why vaccinating the over 75's is going to make such a huge difference. And the good news is that they have pretty much vaccinated them all now.

Another layer to this underlying conditions.
95.8% of people who have died have had an underlying condition.
The most common underlying conditions are Diabetes (26%), Dementia (17%), Kidney Disease (17%) and Pulmonary Disease (17%), all things typical of the older cohorts. I'm being realistic in saying that these aren't issues of us young people.

Once the vulnerable are vaccinated things should move from a lockdown imposed on all to a shielding of the vulnerable policy, as "we young people" are not at significant risk, or are at much less risk where the risks of lockdown outweighs the risks of COVID


Full stats available here:
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-daily-deaths/


Once the most vulnerable are vaccinated then I'm of the belief that things need to move quickly from a "universal lockdown" to a "personal responsibility" basis. The economy and people's metal health can't keep going like this and I miss the pub!

Thanks very much for your reply and taking the time to explain what is going on in that part of the world from a real person that we can actually relate to.

Being over here where it is pretty safe and things are pretty much under control makes it hard to imagine what it would be like being anywhere else.

I actually fall into one of those older age groups even though I've always considered old age to be about 10 - 20 years older than what my current age is.

I am actually pretty healthy but my wife has various health issues and I tend to worry quite a bit about her which makes me a little paranoid about all this COVID-19 stuff.

Once again thanks for taking the time to reply and stay safe and keep up the fantastic work you do to keep this forum running and improving all the time.

 

[Tim Sheens]

My mate in Hungary has been transferred to hospital, cant breathe.

Im getting tested today (unrelated obviously)

How old is the guy?

 

[TillLindemann]

My mate in Hungary has been transferred to hospital, cant breathe.

Im getting tested today (unrelated obviously)

That's terrible, sorry to hear - hopefully he picks up from here and beats it.

 

[Tiger5150]

My mate in Hungary has been transferred to hospital, cant breathe.

Im getting tested today (unrelated obviously)

How old is the guy?

I think early 50’s.