Coronavirus Outbreak

[Cultured_Bogan]

30 guests at a party at West Hoxton.

24 unvaccinated guests test positive to COVID in the fallowing days likely passing it on to family members and others that they have come into contact with.

5 medical workers that had been fully vaccinated, all test negative

1 aged care worker that had their first dose also negative.

Need a few facebook posts, youtube videos and conspiracy theories to help this message take off

This good fortune Australia has enjoyed with being virtually COVID free for about a year has been totally squandered by the federal government. Other parts of the world have vaccinated their populations and are now able to open up while Australia still pisses about and has effectively put itself behind the rest of the developed world.

It really is disappointing.

 

[jadtiger]

30 guests at a party at West Hoxton.

24 unvaccinated guests test positive to COVID in the fallowing days likely passing it on to family members and others that they have come into contact with.

5 medical workers that had been fully vaccinated, all test negative

1 aged care worker that had their first dose also negative.

Need a few facebook posts, youtube videos and conspiracy theories to help this message take off

I feel for all of the unvaccinated people who couldnt get vaccinated because our useless government is 3rd world when it comes to the vaccine rollout.
Hopefully somebody will carve "Its not a race" on Scammos gravestone one day even if he is personally safe unlike the vast majority of his fellow citizens.

 

[Tim Sheens]

30 guests at a party at West Hoxton.

24 unvaccinated guests test positive to COVID in the fallowing days likely passing it on to family members and others that they have come into contact with.

5 medical workers that had been fully vaccinated, all test negative

1 aged care worker that had their first dose also negative.

Need a few facebook posts, youtube videos and conspiracy theories to help this message take off

This good fortune Australia has enjoyed with being virtually COVID free for about a year has been totally squandered by the federal government. Other parts of the world have vaccinated their populations and are now able to open up while Australia still pisses about and has effectively put itself behind the rest of the developed world.

It really is disappointing.

Basically just a wasted year in an environment that was ripe for development.

But hey, we did get Mathias Cormann on a junket to the OECD,so maybe he can get us off the bottom of the following list, or even fudge us back up on their other lists that with him in prominent positions, this government slid us down.


 

[Tiger5150]

Food for thought.

Peer reviewed journal article by German and Dutch scientists based on Israeli field study.

Concludes that the cost to save three lives from COVID is two lives lost to the vaccine.

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/693/htm

Even if you accept the veracity of that study, an effective vaccine program will achieve more than just saving lives from Covid.

An effective vaccine program gives society the confidence to revert to normal pre-covid activities. It may allow us to avoid shutdowns and to reopen our national (and state) borders. In other word, it may revitalise our economy.

By focussing solely on deaths from covid and deaths following vaccination (not sure whether this study ensured that there was a causal link) it effectively ignores all of the people who catch and suffer from Covid 19 without dying. It ignores the ongoing health issues that those people may suffer. It ignores the cost of treating those people. It ignores the costs and the strain placed on hospitals. It ignores the impacts of all the other medical procedures that need to be foregone as a result of hospitals being overloaded. It ignores the costs associated with contact tracing and other aspects of the pandemic management.

Even if the study has been correctly conducted, it remains a very narrow perspective on a much broader issue.

Sure, I agree with most of what you are saying, but all of this comes down to this.........at what cost? Vaccines for all....at what cost.

This study mathematically concludes to save 3 lives from Covid, it costs 2 lives from the vaccine, but you also need to look at life years rather than lives. Covid dispropoertionally kills older people whilst younger people seem much less affected by it. Paradoxically the vaccine seems to impact (and kill) younger people disproportionally.

EDIT: Please note that there were errors in the methodology of this article and this article has been retracted. I think it’s important to make this point so that it doesn’t color the discussion on this important issue.

 

[Tiger5150]

@the_third

India is a real tragedy, one of several avoidable calamities.


It's terrible over there. At this stage they have actually given up and the country opens back up next month

In a country like India it wasn't really in their control at any stage, it was a tragedy in the making from the start. The death toll there is far far higher that what is reported.

Personally I was amazed that mass numbers they are experiencing didn't happen far earlier

Indeed! It was very quiet in India earlier on, but there have actually been more deaths recorded after the vaccine rollout there, go figure.


different variants, inadequate hospital system, and under reporting was rife all the way through. Completely unrelated to the vaccine rollout - they have vaccinated 52 million of almost 1.4 BILLION

So about 4% of the population vaccinated then. Still leaves plenty of opportunity for the virus to get a hold.

Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) would help, but the gov insist on “unsafe, and ineffective” vaccination!:angry:


Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) was being used in Goa and Utta pradesh as a prophylactic with stunning results but Indian surpreme court stepped in on behalf of WHO and said they can only use it as a treatment.


As with most things re COVID at the moment Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) is also iffy....http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/bmjebm-2021-111678

Ummm Dazza. You realise that is not a peer reviewed scientific paper, study or journal dont you? As it says at the top, it is an opinion piece, the opinion of the author. It is also incredibly vague and general in its comments.

It is also totally out of date, being published in April 2021. On June 21 Tess Lawrie published her peer reviewed Meta Analysis that address all the perceived shortcomings in the opinion piece you posted. In the confusion of what a scientificpaper/study/journal/article is, a peer reviewed meta analysis is the highest "gold standard" of peer reviewed scientific publication. It is incredibly detailed and shows Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) to be between 75 - 100% effective as a prophylactictic (preventative) which is as effective or more than the vaccines.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.pdf

https://ivmmeta.com/

 

[tigger]

This study mathematically concludes to save 3 lives from Covid, it costs 2 lives from the vaccine,

I'm not sure that is true. The study uses data from the Nederlands as a proxy for European data generally. The paper justifies this because the Dutch data has been cross-checked against CDC data and has been found to arrive at similar outcomes. But you and I have already discussed the fact that the CDC data, in relation to deaths following vaccination, does not establish a causal link between those deaths and the actual vaccination.

The paper then goes on to quote the verification process used by doctors (in relation to the data) but the process to which that refers is the overall adverse reaction data, so that muddies the water a bit and still doesn't negate the potential lack of a causal link.

I agree however that the risk/reward equation for individual younger people considering the vaccination is not currently as favourable as it is for older people.

On the other hand, the latest inter-generational report indicates that falling population will require younger people to shoulder an even greater debt burden than previously anticipated. So, perhaps from an overall societal viewpoint, recommencement of an immigration program, which is only likely following broad immunisation, will advantage younger people to a greater extent than it will older people.

 

[Tiger5150]

This study mathematically concludes to save 3 lives from Covid, it costs 2 lives from the vaccine,

I'm not sure that is true. The study uses data from the Nederlands as a proxy for European data generally. The paper justifies this because the Dutch data has been cross-checked against CDC data and has been found to arrive at similar outcomes. But you and I have already discussed the fact that the CDC data, in relation to deaths following vaccination, does not establish a causal link between those deaths and the actual vaccination.

The paper then goes on to quote the verification process used by doctors (in relation to the data) but the process to which that refers is the overall adverse reaction data, so that muddies the water a bit and still doesn't negate the potential lack of a causal link.

I agree however that the risk/reward equation for individual younger people considering the vaccination is not currently as favourable as it is for older people.

On the other hand, the latest inter-generational report indicates that falling population will require younger people to shoulder an even greater debt burden than previously anticipated. So, perhaps from an overall societal viewpoint, recommencement of an immigration program, which is only likely following broad immunisation, will advantage younger people to a greater extent than it will older people.

Good points Tigger. I dont know the answer to the critical point of how closely the causality is associated with the data they are using, but this leads to something that does concern me.

As I've rabbitted on about many times here, the vaccines did not clear Phase 3 trials and were approved for use under the Emergency Use Authority (EUA). In all other vaccine and drug trials, the drug eventually goes through phase 4 testing in which ALL adverse reactions are required to be be reported, this is mandatory and sever adverse reactions (fatalities) will pause the phase 4 trials.

Under the EUA, not only have all have the vaccine manufacturers have been provided liability waivers but it is not mandatory to report adverse reactions, it is voluntary. As a consequence, there is no opportunity to collect meaningful information on the safety of the vaccines, you would almost suggest that this has been intentional.

Further to this, as of 1/5/2021 the CDC has stopped collecting data on all "breakthrough" cases of Covid where a vaccinated person contracts Covid. If a vaccinated person contracts Covid, they will only be counted if they die or are hospitalised.

From the CDC..*."As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance."*

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

You seriously could not design a worse structure for collection of safety data for a vaccine, in the most important time ever for transparency and accountability. Its kinda like they have meant to do it?

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

@the_third

India is a real tragedy, one of several avoidable calamities.


It's terrible over there. At this stage they have actually given up and the country opens back up next month

In a country like India it wasn't really in their control at any stage, it was a tragedy in the making from the start. The death toll there is far far higher that what is reported.

Personally I was amazed that mass numbers they are experiencing didn't happen far earlier

Indeed! It was very quiet in India earlier on, but there have actually been more deaths recorded after the vaccine rollout there, go figure.


different variants, inadequate hospital system, and under reporting was rife all the way through. Completely unrelated to the vaccine rollout - they have vaccinated 52 million of almost 1.4 BILLION

So about 4% of the population vaccinated then. Still leaves plenty of opportunity for the virus to get a hold.

Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) would help, but the gov insist on “unsafe, and ineffective” vaccination!:angry:


Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) was being used in Goa and Utta pradesh as a prophylactic with stunning results but Indian surpreme court stepped in on behalf of WHO and said they can only use it as a treatment.


As with most things re COVID at the moment Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) is also iffy....http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/bmjebm-2021-111678

I agree, it looks like we still search for the silver bullet, so in the meantime, IMHO, people (and their GP's) shall be given a choice:
- take nothing;
- drug prophylaxis/treatment -> HCQ or Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective)
- vaccination (all 4 variants).

 

[Tiger5150]

@the_third

India is a real tragedy, one of several avoidable calamities.


It's terrible over there. At this stage they have actually given up and the country opens back up next month

In a country like India it wasn't really in their control at any stage, it was a tragedy in the making from the start. The death toll there is far far higher that what is reported.

Personally I was amazed that mass numbers they are experiencing didn't happen far earlier

Indeed! It was very quiet in India earlier on, but there have actually been more deaths recorded after the vaccine rollout there, go figure.


different variants, inadequate hospital system, and under reporting was rife all the way through. Completely unrelated to the vaccine rollout - they have vaccinated 52 million of almost 1.4 BILLION

So about 4% of the population vaccinated then. Still leaves plenty of opportunity for the virus to get a hold.

Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) would help, but the gov insist on “unsafe, and ineffective” vaccination!:angry:


Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) was being used in Goa and Utta pradesh as a prophylactic with stunning results but Indian surpreme court stepped in on behalf of WHO and said they can only use it as a treatment.


As with most things re COVID at the moment Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) is also iffy....http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/bmjebm-2021-111678

I agree, it looks like we still search for the silver bullet, so in the meantime, IMHO, people (and their GP's) shall be given a choice:
- take nothing;
- drug prophylaxis/treatment -HCQ or Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective)
- vaccination (all 4 variants).

you agree based on an opinion piece? I'd take the data of peer reviewed meta analysis myself.

HCQ is not a prophylactic and does not have sufficient data supporting it. The only on label approved drug for treatment is Remdesivir and that costs $3k a dose.

 

[dazza65]

@the_third

India is a real tragedy, one of several avoidable calamities.


It's terrible over there. At this stage they have actually given up and the country opens back up next month

In a country like India it wasn't really in their control at any stage, it was a tragedy in the making from the start. The death toll there is far far higher that what is reported.

Personally I was amazed that mass numbers they are experiencing didn't happen far earlier

Indeed! It was very quiet in India earlier on, but there have actually been more deaths recorded after the vaccine rollout there, go figure.


different variants, inadequate hospital system, and under reporting was rife all the way through. Completely unrelated to the vaccine rollout - they have vaccinated 52 million of almost 1.4 BILLION

So about 4% of the population vaccinated then. Still leaves plenty of opportunity for the virus to get a hold.

Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) would help, but the gov insist on “unsafe, and ineffective” vaccination!:angry:


Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) was being used in Goa and Utta pradesh as a prophylactic with stunning results but Indian surpreme court stepped in on behalf of WHO and said they can only use it as a treatment.


As with most things re COVID at the moment Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) is also iffy....http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/bmjebm-2021-111678


Ummm Dazza. You realise that is not a peer reviewed scientific paper, study or journal dont you? As it says at the top, it is an opinion piece, the opinion of the author. It is also incredibly vague and general in its comments.

It is also totally out of date, being published in April 2021. On June 21 Tess Lawrie published her peer reviewed Meta Analysis that address all the perceived shortcomings in the opinion piece you posted. In the confusion of what a scientificpaper/study/journal/article is, a peer reviewed meta analysis is the highest "gold standard" of peer reviewed scientific publication. It is incredibly detailed and shows Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) to be between 75 - 100% effective as a prophylactictic (preventative) which is as effective or more than the vaccines.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.pdf

https://ivmmeta.com/

Yes, this paper itself isn’t peer reviewed and can be viewed more as an overview or opinion piece if you like but the majority if not all of the papers it references are.
All part of the discussion.

 

[dazza65]

30 guests at a party at West Hoxton.

24 unvaccinated guests test positive to COVID in the fallowing days likely passing it on to family members and others that they have come into contact with.

5 medical workers that had been fully vaccinated, all test negative

1 aged care worker that had their first dose also negative.

Need a few facebook posts, youtube videos and conspiracy theories to help this message take off


I feel for all of the unvaccinated people who couldnt get vaccinated because our useless government is 3rd world when it comes to the vaccine rollout.
Hopefully somebody will carve "Its not a race" on Scammos gravestone one day even if he is personally safe unlike the vast majority of his fellow citizens.

I agree the whole vaccinate roll out should potentially have been done differently but I think we all know or have heard of people here in Oz that didn’t and don’t want to be vaccinated at any cost; I might be an outlier and maybe don’t know many younger people but everyone I know who wanted to be vaccinated have been…..

 

[Tiger5150]

@the_third

India is a real tragedy, one of several avoidable calamities.


It's terrible over there. At this stage they have actually given up and the country opens back up next month

In a country like India it wasn't really in their control at any stage, it was a tragedy in the making from the start. The death toll there is far far higher that what is reported.

Personally I was amazed that mass numbers they are experiencing didn't happen far earlier

Indeed! It was very quiet in India earlier on, but there have actually been more deaths recorded after the vaccine rollout there, go figure.


different variants, inadequate hospital system, and under reporting was rife all the way through. Completely unrelated to the vaccine rollout - they have vaccinated 52 million of almost 1.4 BILLION

So about 4% of the population vaccinated then. Still leaves plenty of opportunity for the virus to get a hold.

Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) would help, but the gov insist on “unsafe, and ineffective” vaccination!:angry:


Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) was being used in Goa and Utta pradesh as a prophylactic with stunning results but Indian surpreme court stepped in on behalf of WHO and said they can only use it as a treatment.


As with most things re COVID at the moment Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) is also iffy....http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/bmjebm-2021-111678


Ummm Dazza. You realise that is not a peer reviewed scientific paper, study or journal dont you? As it says at the top, it is an opinion piece, the opinion of the author. It is also incredibly vague and general in its comments.

It is also totally out of date, being published in April 2021. On June 21 Tess Lawrie published her peer reviewed Meta Analysis that address all the perceived shortcomings in the opinion piece you posted. In the confusion of what a scientificpaper/study/journal/article is, a peer reviewed meta analysis is the highest "gold standard" of peer reviewed scientific publication. It is incredibly detailed and shows Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) to be between 75 - 100% effective as a prophylactictic (preventative) which is as effective or more than the vaccines.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.pdf

https://ivmmeta.com/

Yes, this paper itself isn’t peer reviewed and can be viewed more as an overview or opinion piece if you like but the majority if not all of the papers it references are.
All part of the discussion.

It says it at the top of the paper. Its his opinion. Yes I agree, its all food for discussion, but Im pretty pedantic about this stuff because In my opinion and experience to get to the truth in these things ultimately you and I need to ultimately give authority to others and in order to do that in a trustworthy fashion, yo uneed to use the highest standard of scientific review and an opinion piece doesnt cut it and his opinion piece is incredibly general.

Im not sure how your scientific literacy is, but re-read his opinion piece, specifically his quoted shortcomings he criticises, and then review the Tess Lawrie meta analysis I provided. It is incredibly detailed and ticks all the boxes he was worried about.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

@the_third

India is a real tragedy, one of several avoidable calamities.


It's terrible over there. At this stage they have actually given up and the country opens back up next month

In a country like India it wasn't really in their control at any stage, it was a tragedy in the making from the start. The death toll there is far far higher that what is reported.

Personally I was amazed that mass numbers they are experiencing didn't happen far earlier

Indeed! It was very quiet in India earlier on, but there have actually been more deaths recorded after the vaccine rollout there, go figure.


different variants, inadequate hospital system, and under reporting was rife all the way through. Completely unrelated to the vaccine rollout - they have vaccinated 52 million of almost 1.4 BILLION

So about 4% of the population vaccinated then. Still leaves plenty of opportunity for the virus to get a hold.

Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) would help, but the gov insist on “unsafe, and ineffective” vaccination!:angry:


Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) was being used in Goa and Utta pradesh as a prophylactic with stunning results but Indian surpreme court stepped in on behalf of WHO and said they can only use it as a treatment.


As with most things re COVID at the moment Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) is also iffy....http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/bmjebm-2021-111678

I agree, it looks like we still search for the silver bullet, so in the meantime, IMHO, people (and their GP's) shall be given a choice:
- take nothing;
- drug prophylaxis/treatment -HCQ or Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective)
- vaccination (all 4 variants).


you agree based on an opinion piece? I'd take the data of peer reviewed meta analysis myself.

HCQ is not a prophylactic and does not have sufficient data supporting it. The only on label approved drug for treatment is Remdesivir and that costs $3k a dose.

No, my opinion is based on "free to choose" argument
e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dngqR9gcDDw

 

[jadtiger]

30 guests at a party at West Hoxton.

24 unvaccinated guests test positive to COVID in the fallowing days likely passing it on to family members and others that they have come into contact with.

5 medical workers that had been fully vaccinated, all test negative

1 aged care worker that had their first dose also negative.

Need a few facebook posts, youtube videos and conspiracy theories to help this message take off


I feel for all of the unvaccinated people who couldnt get vaccinated because our useless government is 3rd world when it comes to the vaccine rollout.
Hopefully somebody will carve "Its not a race" on Scammos gravestone one day even if he is personally safe unlike the vast majority of his fellow citizens.

I agree the whole vaccinate roll out should potentially have been done differently but I think we all know or have heard of people here in Oz that didn’t and don’t want to be vaccinated at any cost; I might be an outlier and maybe don’t know many younger people but everyone I know who wanted to be vaccinated have been…..

I know quite a few people (including 60+ in age) who have not been vaccinated despite wanting to be, including some in the retirement village where i reside.We were very lucky last year as a country as we didnt get the pandemic like most countries did.I hope we will be as lucky this year but i doubt it will be as easy to control since the current strain seems far more contagious.
I also know people who are convinced it is all a scam like climate change(Sky news in Australia has a lot to answer for)

 

[Tiger5150]

@the_third

India is a real tragedy, one of several avoidable calamities.


It's terrible over there. At this stage they have actually given up and the country opens back up next month

In a country like India it wasn't really in their control at any stage, it was a tragedy in the making from the start. The death toll there is far far higher that what is reported.

Personally I was amazed that mass numbers they are experiencing didn't happen far earlier

Indeed! It was very quiet in India earlier on, but there have actually been more deaths recorded after the vaccine rollout there, go figure.


different variants, inadequate hospital system, and under reporting was rife all the way through. Completely unrelated to the vaccine rollout - they have vaccinated 52 million of almost 1.4 BILLION

So about 4% of the population vaccinated then. Still leaves plenty of opportunity for the virus to get a hold.

Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) would help, but the gov insist on “unsafe, and ineffective” vaccination!:angry:


Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) was being used in Goa and Utta pradesh as a prophylactic with stunning results but Indian surpreme court stepped in on behalf of WHO and said they can only use it as a treatment.


As with most things re COVID at the moment Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) is also iffy....http://dx.doi.org/10.1136/bmjebm-2021-111678

I agree, it looks like we still search for the silver bullet, so in the meantime, IMHO, people (and their GP's) shall be given a choice:
- take nothing;
- drug prophylaxis/treatment -HCQ or Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective)
- vaccination (all 4 variants).


you agree based on an opinion piece? I'd take the data of peer reviewed meta analysis myself.

HCQ is not a prophylactic and does not have sufficient data supporting it. The only on label approved drug for treatment is Remdesivir and that costs $3k a dose.

No, my opinion is based on "free to choose" argument
e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dngqR9gcDDw

Righto...solid science.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Some pretty damning numbers of those taking up spots in our state's across the national quarantine system being rolled off in the live QLD press conference.

If the quoted ABS figures were remotely correct, it so wrong that many amongst the 20k or so a month are coming and going only on the basis of having an overseas meeting to attend. This along with thousands of foreign nationals taking up spots whilst citizens and permanent residents, some vulnerable, still cannot get home.

Worse still, stated that the federal government will no longer provide access to these ABS figures from next month.

 

[jadtiger]

Worse still, stated that the federal government will no longer provide access to these ABS figures from next month.

Echoes of cover ups denials and outright lies,this is becoming a regular feature of the federal government.A certain D Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon would be proud of them.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

30 guests at a party at West Hoxton.

24 unvaccinated guests test positive to COVID in the fallowing days likely passing it on to family members and others that they have come into contact with.

5 medical workers that had been fully vaccinated, all test negative

1 aged care worker that had their first dose also negative.

Need a few facebook posts, youtube videos and conspiracy theories to help this message take off


I feel for all of the unvaccinated people who couldnt get vaccinated because our useless government is 3rd world when it comes to the vaccine rollout.
Hopefully somebody will carve "Its not a race" on Scammos gravestone one day even if he is personally safe unlike the vast majority of his fellow citizens.

I agree the whole vaccinate roll out should potentially have been done differently but I think we all know or have heard of people here in Oz that didn’t and don’t want to be vaccinated at any cost; I might be an outlier and maybe don’t know many younger people but everyone I know who wanted to be vaccinated have been…..


I know quite a few people (including 60+ in age) who have not been vaccinated despite wanting to be, including some in the retirement village where i reside.We were very lucky last year as a country as we didnt get the pandemic like most countries did.I hope we will be as lucky this year but i doubt it will be as easy to control since the current strain seems far more contagious.
I also know people who are convinced it is all a scam like climate change(Sky news in Australia has a lot to answer for)

Our GP cancelled my needle as he only had AZ. I tried to book a needle online for only to discover no appointments and try again every week after. NSW Health is doing a fine job however the Feds have overseen a vaccination disaster.

 

[Tiger5150]

Worse still, stated that the federal government will no longer provide access to these ABS figures from next month.


Echoes of cover ups denials and outright lies,this is becoming a regular feature of the federal government.A certain D Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon would be proud of them.

Its a worldwide trend surrounding COVID. Im not a global conspiracy theorist, but I can see how they get traction when everyone behaves as if there was one.

 

[Tiger5150]

30 guests at a party at West Hoxton.

24 unvaccinated guests test positive to COVID in the fallowing days likely passing it on to family members and others that they have come into contact with.

5 medical workers that had been fully vaccinated, all test negative

1 aged care worker that had their first dose also negative.

Need a few facebook posts, youtube videos and conspiracy theories to help this message take off


I feel for all of the unvaccinated people who couldnt get vaccinated because our useless government is 3rd world when it comes to the vaccine rollout.
Hopefully somebody will carve "Its not a race" on Scammos gravestone one day even if he is personally safe unlike the vast majority of his fellow citizens.

I agree the whole vaccinate roll out should potentially have been done differently but I think we all know or have heard of people here in Oz that didn’t and don’t want to be vaccinated at any cost; I might be an outlier and maybe don’t know many younger people but everyone I know who wanted to be vaccinated have been…..


I know quite a few people (including 60+ in age) who have not been vaccinated despite wanting to be, including some in the retirement village where i reside.We were very lucky last year as a country as we didnt get the pandemic like most countries did.I hope we will be as lucky this year but i doubt it will be as easy to control since the current strain seems far more contagious.
I also know people who are convinced it is all a scam like climate change(Sky news in Australia has a lot to answer for)

Our GP cancelled my needle as he only had AZ. I tried to book a needle online for only to discover no appointments and try again every week after. NSW Health is doing a fine job however the Feds have overseen a vaccination disaster.

The Feds went all in with AZ. At the time I was applauding them. On a scientific basis, it is the "safer" vaccine delivery methodology and the bonus of being able to manufacture here. For me at the time it was a no brainer to go all in on AZ and I was glad. They have been unlucky.