Coronavirus Outbreak

[Cultured_Bogan]

30 guests at a party at West Hoxton.

24 unvaccinated guests test positive to COVID in the fallowing days likely passing it on to family members and others that they have come into contact with.

5 medical workers that had been fully vaccinated, all test negative

1 aged care worker that had their first dose also negative.

Need a few facebook posts, youtube videos and conspiracy theories to help this message take off


I feel for all of the unvaccinated people who couldnt get vaccinated because our useless government is 3rd world when it comes to the vaccine rollout.
Hopefully somebody will carve "Its not a race" on Scammos gravestone one day even if he is personally safe unlike the vast majority of his fellow citizens.

I agree the whole vaccinate roll out should potentially have been done differently but I think we all know or have heard of people here in Oz that didn’t and don’t want to be vaccinated at any cost; I might be an outlier and maybe don’t know many younger people but everyone I know who wanted to be vaccinated have been…..


I know quite a few people (including 60+ in age) who have not been vaccinated despite wanting to be, including some in the retirement village where i reside.We were very lucky last year as a country as we didnt get the pandemic like most countries did.I hope we will be as lucky this year but i doubt it will be as easy to control since the current strain seems far more contagious.
I also know people who are convinced it is all a scam like climate change(Sky news in Australia has a lot to answer for)

Our GP cancelled my needle as he only had AZ. I tried to book a needle online for only to discover no appointments and try again every week after. NSW Health is doing a fine job however the Feds have overseen a vaccination disaster.


The Feds went all in with AZ. At the time I was applauding them. On a scientific basis, it is the "safer" vaccine delivery methodology and the bonus of being able to manufacture here. For me at the time it was a no brainer to go all in on AZ and I was glad. They have been unlucky.

Yes I am of this opinion also. It made sense to do the AZ vaccine for the reasons stated. Foresight would have seen them purchase a reasonable amount of Pfizer as a back up however.

 

[Geo]

The thing that gets me is the mixed messages regarding Astra Zeneca.. I’m 56 had my 1st jab now awaiting the 2nd in August in the meantime it then went to over 60 now back to anyone who wants it.. with known risks..

They wonder why people are reluctant

 

[cochise]

The thing that gets me is the mixed messages regarding Astra Zeneca.. I’m 56 had my 1st jab now awaiting the 2nd in August in the meantime it then went to over 60 now back to anyone who wants it.. with known risks..

They wonder why people are reluctant

That is Morrison trying to get rid of the stockpile of AZ.

 

[hobbo1]

The thing that gets me is the mixed messages regarding Astra Zeneca.. I’m 56 had my 1st jab now awaiting the 2nd in August in the meantime it then went to over 60 now back to anyone who wants it.. with known risks..

They wonder why people are reluctant

That is Morrison trying to get rid of the stockpile of AZ.

How much did we pay for the snake oil I wonder ?

 

[Tiger5150]

Last night on ABC they were reporting that the Federal Government was indemnifying GP's for the vaccine and providing a "no fault" vaccine injury compensation scheme. I cant find any trace of it reported anywhere else though.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Last night on ABC they were reporting that the Federal Government was indemnifying GP's for the vaccine and providing a "no fault" vaccine injury compensation scheme. I cant find any trace of it reported anywhere else though.

It has been reported that the AMA and National Cabinet have neither endorsed this approach. Scomo with the captains call.

 

[Tim Sheens]

The thing that gets me is the mixed messages regarding Astra Zeneca.. I’m 56 had my 1st jab now awaiting the 2nd in August in the meantime it then went to over 60 now back to anyone who wants it.. with known risks..

They wonder why people are reluctant

That is Morrison trying to get rid of the stockpile of AZ.

How much did we pay for the snake oil I wonder ?

More importantly, how much did the Tim Wilson's and Dave Sharma's etcetera stand to gain or lose through shareholdings.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

30 guests at a party at West Hoxton.

24 unvaccinated guests test positive to COVID in the fallowing days likely passing it on to family members and others that they have come into contact with.

5 medical workers that had been fully vaccinated, all test negative

1 aged care worker that had their first dose also negative.

Need a few facebook posts, youtube videos and conspiracy theories to help this message take off


I feel for all of the unvaccinated people who couldnt get vaccinated because our useless government is 3rd world when it comes to the vaccine rollout.
Hopefully somebody will carve "Its not a race" on Scammos gravestone one day even if he is personally safe unlike the vast majority of his fellow citizens.

I agree the whole vaccinate roll out should potentially have been done differently but I think we all know or have heard of people here in Oz that didn’t and don’t want to be vaccinated at any cost; I might be an outlier and maybe don’t know many younger people but everyone I know who wanted to be vaccinated have been…..


I know quite a few people (including 60+ in age) who have not been vaccinated despite wanting to be, including some in the retirement village where i reside.We were very lucky last year as a country as we didnt get the pandemic like most countries did.I hope we will be as lucky this year but i doubt it will be as easy to control since the current strain seems far more contagious.
I also know people who are convinced it is all a scam like climate change(Sky news in Australia has a lot to answer for)

Maybe not a scam, but certainly blown out of all proportion, especially from a nation whose politicians and media hate being left out of world events and seem hellbent on instilling irrational fear and panic into people.

 

[Tiger5150]

Last night on ABC they were reporting that the Federal Government was indemnifying GP's for the vaccine and providing a "no fault" vaccine injury compensation scheme. I cant find any trace of it reported anywhere else though.

From 11:00
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/pm/pm/13407844
Indemnity for GP's for AZ vaccine administration, Federal "No Fault" Vaccine Injury Compensation Scheme.

 

[Tim Sheens]

The thing that gets me is the mixed messages regarding Astra Zeneca.. I’m 56 had my 1st jab now awaiting the 2nd in August in the meantime it then went to over 60 now back to anyone who wants it.. with known risks..

They wonder why people are reluctant

A year younger and waited because of my son's concerns, but having booked a week or two ago for Pfizer, scheduled to get both my shots by the end of August as well.

The promotional campaign has been ridiculously poor, with basically Dr Coatsworth ads alone far from what is needed. Still, having not secured that which was availed to our government a year ago and wishy washy messaging since, any wonder the vaccination program is a dog's breakfast.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Last night on ABC they were reporting that the Federal Government was indemnifying GP's for the vaccine and providing a "no fault" vaccine injury compensation scheme. I cant find any trace of it reported anywhere else though.


From 11:00
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/pm/pm/13407844
Indemnity for GP's for AZ vaccine administration, Federal "No Fault" Vaccine Injury Compensation Scheme.

Instilling more confidence by the hour.

 

[earl]

This study mathematically concludes to save 3 lives from Covid, it costs 2 lives from the vaccine, but you also need to look at life years rather than lives. Covid dispropoertionally kills older people whilst younger people seem much less affected by it. Paradoxically the vaccine seems to impact (and kill) younger people disproportionally.

Mate - that study isn't worth the paper it is printed on. You've got to be extremely careful with what you read and listen too because you get junk like that.

The vaccine makes a massive difference ala that post Harvey stated. It massively reduces the risk of people dying from COVID.

 

[dazza65]

The AZ - CSL thing is a very complicated and to me highlights a long standing issue - I have worked in this area for many years (30 plus) and as some would know CSL (Commonwealth Serum Laboratories) was once government owned and was spun out and listed on the ASX in 1994 at $2.30 per share. Todays share price is $189.

Now, I will be careful here as I don't want any hassle, but early investors were a plethora of government officials and public employee's through a wide range of instruments like government run superannuation bodies etc etc etc - you get the picture.

Over the last 25 years I have work with and lobbied the Australian Government (both persuasions) for better access to blood product, vaccines, anti venoms etc (CSL has a government mandated monopoly - the money they derive from this funds expansion, acquisitions and director bonuses, along with an ever increasing stock price) - we even proposed a few years back to build, at no cost to the government, a new facility in Qld that could have been making mRNA vaccines along with better anti venoms and other products in which CSL currently have monopolies.

At least three times we were given an audience, told politely that they were interested only for then be followed by the Government giving CSL - a publicly listed company - government money to prop up their business here locally - as all of their publicly listed raised money was going towards expansion and acquisitions.

The most recent was the announcement of the government bolstering their vaccine provisions for mRNA covid - we could have done that, with no government money, 3 years ago - but it would have dented CSL share price.

I think the Govt's decision to go with AZ was two fold - firstly it was a technology that CSL could make with minor adjustments and the upside (if it turned out to be a successful vaccine) was that we would potentially have no supply issues - like we did early when AZ was blocked from exporting out of the EU - by Italy if I remember correctly - so that was OK - however it was also so CSL remained the exclusive onshore manufacturing site - helps with the share price... Aussie made etc etc.

The CSL privatisation thing is really convoluted and has a somewhat dodgy backstory that most people don't know about and don't appreciate - I always thought it would have made a great investigative journalism piece - a la Woodward and Bernstein - or someone Australian, back when our journalists were actually intelligent and did proper investigative pieces without fear or favour.

I think I've said enough, don't want to hear clicks on my mobile phone lol.

 

[BZN]

Worse still, stated that the federal government will no longer provide access to these ABS figures from next month.


Echoes of cover ups denials and outright lies,this is becoming a regular feature of the federal government.A certain D Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon would be proud of them.


Its a worldwide trend surrounding COVID. Im not a global conspiracy theorist, but I can see how they get traction when everyone behaves as if there was one.

And this is how things get completely out of hand @Tiger5150.
It doesn't matter what the subject is, people come out and make statements without having the proof to back up their argument, the easily led get caught up in the silly negative narrative.

 

[Tiger5150]

This study mathematically concludes to save 3 lives from Covid, it costs 2 lives from the vaccine, but you also need to look at life years rather than lives. Covid dispropoertionally kills older people whilst younger people seem much less affected by it. Paradoxically the vaccine seems to impact (and kill) younger people disproportionally.

Mate - that study isn't worth the paper it is printed on. You've got to be extremely careful with what you read and listen too because you get junk like that.

The vaccine makes a massive difference ala that post Harvey stated. It massively reduces the risk of people dying from COVID.

OK. Its peer reviewed and published and is an analysis of the largest field study available in the world.

Please outline what is incorrect about the study and why it is junk? Because you dont like it? WHat exactly have they incorrectly calculated? WHat are they missrepresenting? The NNTV?

 

[Tiger5150]

Worse still, stated that the federal government will no longer provide access to these ABS figures from next month.


Echoes of cover ups denials and outright lies,this is becoming a regular feature of the federal government.A certain D Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon would be proud of them.


Its a worldwide trend surrounding COVID. Im not a global conspiracy theorist, but I can see how they get traction when everyone behaves as if there was one.

And this is how things get completely out of hand @Tiger5150.
It doesn't matter what the subject is, people come out and make statements without having the proof to back up their argument, the easily led get caught up in the silly negative narrative.

Im not sure Im following you '63. Are you suggesting I'm pushing a conspiracy narrative?

 

[TheDaBoss]

Guess ill take the plunge and get a jab from some prick

My comedy genius amazes me

 

[BZN]

Worse still, stated that the federal government will no longer provide access to these ABS figures from next month.


Echoes of cover ups denials and outright lies,this is becoming a regular feature of the federal government.A certain D Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon would be proud of them.


Its a worldwide trend surrounding COVID. Im not a global conspiracy theorist, but I can see how they get traction when everyone behaves as if there was one.

And this is how things get completely out of hand @Tiger5150.
It doesn't matter what the subject is, people come out and make statements without having the proof to back up their argument, the easily led get caught up in the silly negative narrative.


Im not sure Im following you '63. Are you suggesting I'm pushing a conspiracy narrative?

No definitely not suggesting that at all 5150.
But my eldest brother is a conspiracy theory believer.

 

[Tiger5150]

Worse still, stated that the federal government will no longer provide access to these ABS figures from next month.


Echoes of cover ups denials and outright lies,this is becoming a regular feature of the federal government.A certain D Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon would be proud of them.


Its a worldwide trend surrounding COVID. Im not a global conspiracy theorist, but I can see how they get traction when everyone behaves as if there was one.

And this is how things get completely out of hand @Tiger5150.
It doesn't matter what the subject is, people come out and make statements without having the proof to back up their argument, the easily led get caught up in the silly negative narrative.


Im not sure Im following you '63. Are you suggesting I'm pushing a conspiracy narrative?

No definitely not suggesting that at all 5150.
But my eldest brother is a conspiracy theory believer.

FWIW, from my point of view, the whole conspiracy theory thing is probably a spectrum and my point is that if you wanted to make it look like there WAS a global conspiracy theory, you couldn't have designed things better.

IMO there are parts of the overall story that are possibly conspiratorial. For me, as Ive posted here regularly, the way that information regarding Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) is being ACTIVELY suppressed is almost so deliberate that has to be part of something conspiratorial.

As an example Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) has one of the safest drug profiles known. There have been 10's of millions of doses over 50 years throughout predominantly Africa. Merck owned the patent and sold all of these doses. This year Merck came out against Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) for COVID saying that its safety profile has not been proven despite the fact that they sold it for decades. Why would they do this? Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective) is out of patent and has been proven to be effective in vitro against Zika, and many other viruses......then this month the US govt announced it is spending $3B with Merck to develop antiviral drugs.

Its possible that its not a conspiracy to suppress Ivermectin (a drug which the clinical evidence shows is not statistically effective), but everything points towards it.

 

[earl]

This study mathematically concludes to save 3 lives from Covid, it costs 2 lives from the vaccine, but you also need to look at life years rather than lives. Covid dispropoertionally kills older people whilst younger people seem much less affected by it. Paradoxically the vaccine seems to impact (and kill) younger people disproportionally.

Mate - that study isn't worth the paper it is printed on. You've got to be extremely careful with what you read and listen too because you get junk like that.

The vaccine makes a massive difference ala that post Harvey stated. It massively reduces the risk of people dying from COVID.


OK. Its peer reviewed and published and is an analysis of the largest field study available in the world.

Please outline what is incorrect about the study and why it is junk? Because you dont like it? WHat exactly have they incorrectly calculated? WHat are they missrepresenting? The NNTV?

I'm not going to get into that junk with you. It's just statistical nonsense. The reality is that vaccines are going to have a massive effect in lowering everyone's individual risk and in lowering societies risk. If you don't believe this you should just go and do some research and if you've done research and don't believe it then you are putting the wrong stuff in your head.

The big issue is becoming much simpler in my eyes. Once everyone has had the opportunity to have the correct vaccines down to a certain age limit are we going to let it rip from that point on. People die of the flu every year. The elderly are more at risk. My opinion is that we are going to have to take this step.

People who don't take the vaccines will be more at risk but they've made that choice.