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@finesttigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440972) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440958) said:
@finesttigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440953) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440944) said:
@finesttigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440942) said:
Mods, can you delete my last post,
IMMEDIATELY
just noticed a serious security breach

You can delete your own posts.

I tried a few times but could'nt
I'll try again

I already have

Thanks,
I wanted to reply and post a link about the **shortage of the fruit pickers** and also to say how reliant we are on overseas workers, but it seemed like the link gave access to my google account,
And this is not to mention someone downvoted me for this as well?
I honestly just don't know anymore.

Don't stress, I don't believe anybody would have been able to access your account via that link, if it was from a different device they would still need to sign in, even if you were already signed in on your own.
 
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440861) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440853) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440813) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440810) said:
@trusted_insider said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440806) said:
It would’ve ended up here regardless

It spreads by the movement of people. If you have a hard international border you limit the movement of the virus. New Zealand is not 'living with' delta, and nor should we aim to do that. If we go hard (which we're not doing) we can get rid of it.

People have a right to return home.

But why is this particular right elevated above others? The right to visit family, the right to go to a dear person's funeral or wedding, the right to visit a suffering relative in hospital, the right to work - these are all currently on hold, but some bloke who's been living overseas for 2 years with plenty of chances to come home earlier has an *unassailable* right to enter Australia and risk spreading a virus in a country that demonstrably can't cope with it. I know I'm in the minority on this and I'm not trying to be argumentative for the sake of it. It just makes my blood boil.

Mate, I do understand your point of view and I was close to adopting it at one point. I just don’t believe in turning our back on our citizens despite how stupid some of them are.

I'm uneasy about restricting our citizens rights to come home too, but we are already turning our backs on citizens internally. Remember that Queensland hospitals are only for Queenslanders.

I don't know the answer, so it would be great for someone to help me here. Is the probability greater for an abroad citizen to enter into Queensland or somebody from Sydney?
 
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440981) said:
@vince-farrar said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440976) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440865) said:
@tigger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440863) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440841) said:
@tigger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440838) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440828) said:
@willow said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440814) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440786) said:
I disagree with living with it, that is defeatism. We should aim for zero, and we should defend that with a hard international border, in addition to vaccinations.

Several months go there had been a suggestion to block travellers from India at the height of their delta outbreak. If the government had stuck with this we would likely still be at zero cases, and there would be no need for a lockdown. But unfortunately they caved and put the rights of international travellers ahead of Australia's health and economy, and those travellers brought delta to a country that wasn't prepared for it.

It's impossible at this point I'm afraid - you can't rely on the community to do the right thing during this pandemic - some don't believe in it, others think they are bullet proof, others want to visit their family regardless of the circumstances, others don't trust the government and thumb their nose at them at every opportunity...and the virus does not care - it will continue to spread regardless.

Then unfortunately I think we are screwed, because no country on earth has shown vaccination on its own to be enough, especially countries where there is a certain percentage of the population who refuse to get vaccinated (which looks to be the case in Australia). The US is heading back to 100,000 cases a day, highly-vaxxed countries like Israel are going back into lockdown. If we are not going to use our one natural advantage - that we are an island and can control our border - then we are going to be enduring these half-ar##ed lockdowns well into next year.

I think we'll get to a stage where there is a relatively high level of voluntary vaccination in this country. I'm still quietly confident that we will get close to the 80% mark once appropriate vaccines are available to all.
I think that because this issue has not become as politicised as it has in other countries (particularly the US), nor do we have the same percentage of population who are whacko conspiracy theorists. In the main, Australians are a fairly level headed bunch. (even including Parra supporters) and I think common sense will ultimately prevail.
When we do get to that stage, restrictions will ease and the unvaccinated will just have to take their chances. One thing that might motivate the recalcitrant is if all covid treatment for the vaccinated (and those with conditions preventing vaccination) was free, but the unvaccinated have to pay full freight for hospitalisation and medical treatment related to Covid.
Some may think that's unfair, but so is holding back the rest of society from moving on with life.

Yeah I couldn't do that.

Yeah. It would be harsh wouldn't it? But we're likely to end up with the tail wagging the dog here.
What frustrates me is that we could have a relatively small percentage of the population simply destroying our economy by their wilful inaction. And by 'economy' I'm not talking about money, I'm talking about our ability as a society to function in a normal way.
Anyway, I don't think that will happen because it probably is too harsh and I reckon lots of people would find it unpalatable.

We still provide health care for people who crash their car drink driving, even if that injures or kills others. It just goes against what our health care system is built on.

But their insurance is declined and they are held liable for the damage they caused

We still provide them with free health care.

True.
 
@finesttigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440972) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440958) said:
@finesttigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440953) said:
@cochise said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440944) said:
@finesttigers said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440942) said:
Mods, can you delete my last post,
IMMEDIATELY
just noticed a serious security breach

You can delete your own posts.

I tried a few times but could'nt
I'll try again

I already have

Thanks,
I wanted to reply and post a link about the **shortage of the fruit pickers** and also to say how reliant we are on overseas workers, but it seemed like the link gave access to my google account,
And this is not to mention someone downvoted me for this as well?
I honestly just don't know anymore.

Whiniest Tiger.
 
The merger of the thread was a question would you get vaccinated to watch sport corona virus was not mentioned again the uniformed minority get their way
 
"Slow Motion Trainwreck" from federal independent Zali Steggall is a pretty good description of the current situation and one an increasing almost by the day vast majority of us in NSW are suffering from.
 
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1441172) said:
"Slow Motion Trainwreck" from federal independent Zali Steggall is a pretty good description of the current situation and one an increasing almost by the day vast majority of us in NSW are suffering from.

That's a good description.
I heard a commentator down here describe it as being like watching a replay of your football team play in a losing match. (Can you imagine that?). You're still supporting your team but you know that the outcome is inevitable.
 
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Can't believe the behaviour of the person traveling to Byron bay.

Can't believe that there was nothing to prevent him from doing so. It is half baked lockdown and mixed messages that allow this to occur. Watching suggestions that there is limited benefit in a harder lockdown of Sydney metro area. I would suggest that if done, regional areas would not currently be in lockdown.

Watching the evasion in the questions asked of the health minister and NSW chief medical officer was extremely concerning.
 
@radoush said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440633) said:
@willow said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440415) said:
@radoush said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440212) said:
@demps said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440188) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440187) said:
@radoush said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1439544) said:
@furious1 said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1439460) said:
This is being handled appallingly now. Pride is getting in the way of the solution.

I am enjoying lockdowns sounds like your in jail
I am still working traveling doing my think love the less traffic on the road I have no problems I am getting the $750 bonus and less people at the park I hope they go to Xmas

If you're still working why are you getting the $750?

Fraud. ?

Just my tax coming back i hope it goes till xmass stop for a few weeks go on a nice 4 week holiday then lockdown starts again

You're treading a fine line with this nonsense.

If I get caught it's on me I will just pay it back

Hopefully with a bit of jail time.
 
People blatantly flouting lock down rules should be fined even jailed named and shamed which might make some of think before they endanger lives and people's livelihoods.
 
@radoush said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1441242) said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/atus/1424603849952829442

If any has 6 minutes to listen and give an option on it please let me know its very interesting

Don't say you weren't warned. See ya.
 
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440855) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440845) said:
Yes I realise I’m just yelling at clouds,

This is the point. The writing appears to on the wall. Listen to the press conference today. The message to me appears clear. Get vaccinated because we can't stop this. That is my read of the message and that has been the message for a while.


That’s exactly where it is at the world is opening up and the last time I looked we are apart of that .
Canada opened its boarders today for vaccinated US citizens first time since last March .UK and the EU open for business, the word is get vaccinated and live a relatively free existence.. non vaccinators good luck you will be living a restricted existence and visiting hospital waiting rooms . The time has come to live with this virus .. just had our second shot and we now feel positive, just need to be careful wear masks in appropriate internal areas general hygiene and stay away from the unvaccinated !
 
@tigger said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1441191) said:
@formerguest said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1441172) said:
"Slow Motion Trainwreck" from federal independent Zali Steggall is a pretty good description of the current situation and one an increasing almost by the day vast majority of us in NSW are suffering from.

That's a good description.
I heard a commentator down here describe it as being like watching a replay of your football team play in a losing match. (Can you imagine that?). You're still supporting your team but you know that the outcome is inevitable.

It's just getting so frustrating and unlike you guys down south that always recieved clear answers to each and every question, even if it took hours, along with clear instructions. They tried to limit restrictions at first, realised their errors, admitted them and made better choices.

Your state went through it, learnt and provided virtual blueprints on what and what not to do for the world, yet the state next door, having gotten geographically lucky with the Northern Beaches, decided to ignore the lessons from within, let alone of their neighbours.

The role of the CHO is diminished in NSW compared to adjoining states, having only a voice instead of decision making power. A minister/s with health in the name, rather than health professionals making decisions during a health crisis.
 
Its frustrating and has got me very angry at the clowns running these
nursing homes as they cant get it through their head that we are going
through a PANDEMIC. Yet they still want to have christmas in July parties
and the recent one a welcome back party for our olympics team.
Both are now in danger with covid cases.
 
@tigertone said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1441270) said:
Its frustrating and has got me very angry at the clowns running these
nursing homes as they cant get it through their head that we are going
through a PAMDEMIC. Yet they still want to have christmas in July parties
and the recent one a welcome back party for our olympics team.
Both are now in danger with covid cases.

And no mandatory vaccinations to staff.
 
@snake said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1441254) said:
@earl said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440855) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1440845) said:
Yes I realise I’m just yelling at clouds,

This is the point. The writing appears to on the wall. Listen to the press conference today. The message to me appears clear. Get vaccinated because we can't stop this. That is my read of the message and that has been the message for a while.


That’s exactly where it is at the world is opening up and the last time I looked we are apart of that .
Canada opened its boarders today for vaccinated US citizens first time since last March .UK and the EU open for business, the word is get vaccinated and live a relatively free existence.. non vaccinators good luck you will be living a restricted existence and visiting hospital waiting rooms . The time has come to live with this virus .. just had our second shot and we now feel positive, just need to be careful wear masks in appropriate internal areas general hygiene and stay away from the unvaccinated !

"Stay away from the unvaccinated".
Unfortunately some of those unvaccinated will be family members in some cases. That will surely cause problems.
 
@tiger_one said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1441271) said:
@tigertone said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1441270) said:
Its frustrating and has got me very angry at the clowns running these
nursing homes as they cant get it through their head that we are going
through a PAMDEMIC. Yet they still want to have christmas in July parties
and the recent one a welcome back party for our olympics team.
Both are now in danger with covid cases.

And no mandatory vaccinations to staff.

Thats right. These people are front line workers it should be mandatory for them to get vaccinated.
I cant believe it.
 
@tigertone said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1441273) said:
@tiger_one said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1441271) said:
@tigertone said in [Coronavirus Outbreak](/post/1441270) said:
Its frustrating and has got me very angry at the clowns running these
nursing homes as they cant get it through their head that we are going
through a PAMDEMIC. Yet they still want to have christmas in July parties
and the recent one a welcome back party for our olympics team.
Both are now in danger with covid cases.

And no mandatory vaccinations to staff.

Thats right. These people are front line workers it should be mandatory for them to get vaccinated.
I cant believe it.

You can still pass it on being vacinated. It's nice you care about their health tho
 
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