Coronavirus Outbreak

[earl]

I hope sanity prevails. If Labour uses this pandemic to score political points and bankrupt the country they won't get my vote.

We have to open up. I have not heard a valid argument against opening up post vaccines being rolled out.

If anyone has a rational coherent argument for closing down long term let me know.

 

[Pascoes_barber]

Some of the state governments are in for a nasty shock if they think they'll continue to win votes by keeping everything locked down.

To be clear: I am absolutely in support of lockdowns **now**, but this will not be the case once vaccination rates hit 80% and everyone has at least been given the opportunity to receive a jab.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I don't think people realise that we won't open until we get to a certain number of people vaccinated.

I hope this doesn't matter.
>
>They are not taking into accordance that the vaccine passports will be the new way to travel to other countries. I feel like they will complain when they find out they can't go overseas if they don't have a jab.

They will love it. It'll give them something to complain about.

I'm confident we wecan get to the 70-80% needed to re-open

Not getting political but I believe there is going to be a huge rethink on reopening now most of the States will refuse (and rightly so). NSW is going to have to get nos down in the 10s.

There will need to be a low base line so that a highly vaccinated population will not continue to spread the disease and the efficacy of the vaccines can then work.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Some of the state governments are in for a nasty shock if they think they'll continue to win votes by keeping everything locked down.

To be clear: I am absolutely in support of lockdowns **now**, but this will not be the case once vaccination rates hit 80% and everyone has at least been given the opportunity to receive a jab.

As am I. I support lockdowns but I don't like them.

And I only support them because not enough of the population is vaccinated yet. I can't remember if it was in this thread or somewhere else that I read it but apparently 79% of Australians are intending to get vaccinated and a further 14% are undecided. Pay people to get stabbed and I reckon most if not all that 14% will get the vaccine (incentivisation is important in this case.) You'll have somewhere in the league of 90% of the population vaccinated.

At some point life will have to go on and there will have to be an "acceptable" amount of death every year from this as there is the flu.

 

[Demps]

Some of the state governments are in for a nasty shock if they think they'll continue to win votes by keeping everything locked down.

To be clear: I am absolutely in support of lockdowns **now**, but this will not be the case once vaccination rates hit 80% and everyone has at least been given the opportunity to receive a jab.

They need to get everything sorted by summer I think.

There is no way there stopping people going to the beach and whatnot. Australians just won't inside on a hot day and sweat it up when there's beaches close by.

I'm not saying to do this, I'm just saying I believe this will happen...

 

[Demps]



Contrast.
*shakes head*

 

[tigger]

I hope sanity prevails. If Labour uses this pandemic to score political points and bankrupt the country they won't get my vote.

We have to open up. I have not heard a valid argument against opening up post vaccines being rolled out.

If anyone has a rational coherent argument for closing down long term let me know.

I'm a little bit surprised by this comment Earl. I seem to recall in some of your earlier posts that you were insisting that people should not politicise this issue.

I think you should take your own advice.

 

[earl]

I hope sanity prevails. If Labour uses this pandemic to score political points and bankrupt the country they won't get my vote.

We have to open up. I have not heard a valid argument against opening up post vaccines being rolled out.

If anyone has a rational coherent argument for closing down long term let me know.

I'm a little bit surprised by this comment Earl. I seem to recall in some of your earlier posts that you were insisting that people should not politicise this issue.

I think you should take your own advice.

I don't consider that politicizing the issue. In fact I consider it a vote against politicizing the issue.

To me there is only one option. Get vaccinated and open up. There may be some form of restrictions in extreme situations and I will accept that. I'm even cool with mask mandates indoors in certain situations. I follow the science.

My point is if the Labour party politicizes this issue they will lose my vote. Do the right thing. Do not politicize the issue.

I could be missing something. Is there any rational reason that stands up to not open up once vaccines are available ? Is the cost of lockdowns a good policy decision in the presence of vaccines.

I'm really angry and frustrated in relation to people politicizing this issue. My expectation is that both parties follow the right policy going forward which is to open up.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I hope sanity prevails. If Labour uses this pandemic to score political points and bankrupt the country they won't get my vote.

We have to open up. I have not heard a valid argument against opening up post vaccines being rolled out.

If anyone has a rational coherent argument for closing down long term let me know.

I'm a little bit surprised by this comment Earl. I seem to recall in some of your earlier posts that you were insisting that people should not politicise this issue.

I think you should take your own advice.

I don't consider that politicizing the issue. In fact I consider it a vote against politicizing the issue.

To me there is only one option. Get vaccinated and open up. There may be some form of restrictions in extreme situations and I will accept that. I'm even cool with mask mandates indoors in certain situations. I follow the science.

My point is if the Labour party politicizes this issue they will lose my vote. Do the right thing. Do not politicize the issue.

**> I could be missing something. Is there any rational reason that stands up to not open up once vaccines are available ? Is the cost of lockdowns a good policy decision in the presence of vaccines.**

I'm really angry and frustrated in relation to people politicizing this issue. My expectation is that both parties follow the right policy going forward which is to open up.

Yes there is a good reason not to open up once adequate numbers are vaccinated. If there's still thousands of cases across the Sydney region (or any other part of the country for that matter,) vaccinated people will still contract the virus as they are surrounded by it. The numbers have to come down first for the herd immunity strategy to be effective. If a good number of the population are jabbed and cases are low, open up.

 

[tigger]

I hope sanity prevails. If Labour uses this pandemic to score political points and bankrupt the country they won't get my vote.

We have to open up. I have not heard a valid argument against opening up post vaccines being rolled out.

If anyone has a rational coherent argument for closing down long term let me know.

I'm a little bit surprised by this comment Earl. I seem to recall in some of your earlier posts that you were insisting that people should not politicise this issue.

I think you should take your own advice.

I don't consider that politicizing the issue. In fact I consider it a vote against politicizing the issue.

To me there is only one option. Get vaccinated and open up. There may be some form of restrictions in extreme situations and I will accept that. I'm even cool with mask mandates indoors in certain situations. I follow the science.

My point is if the Labour party politicizes this issue they will lose my vote. Do the right thing. Do not politicize the issue.

I could be missing something. Is there any rational reason that stands up to not open up once vaccines are available ? Is the cost of lockdowns a good policy decision in the presence of vaccines.

I'm really angry and frustrated in relation to people politicizing this issue. My expectation is that both parties follow the right policy going forward which is to open up.

Sorry mate, I didn't understand, but I think I've got it now.

If we criticise Gladys for failing to act quickly enough and allowing Covid 19 to spread uncontrolled, or if we criticise Scotty for failing to build appropriate quarantine facilities or for the tardy rollout of the vaccines, that's politicising the issue.

But if we criticise Labor for not supporting opening up everything up whilst Covid is still running rampant (which they haven't actually done yet) that's not politicising the issue.

Yes. I can see where you're coming from on that.

 

[Papacito]

I hope sanity prevails. If Labour uses this pandemic to score political points and bankrupt the country they won't get my vote.

We have to open up. I have not heard a valid argument against opening up post vaccines being rolled out.

If anyone has a rational coherent argument for closing down long term let me know.

I'm a little bit surprised by this comment Earl. I seem to recall in some of your earlier posts that you were insisting that people should not politicise this issue.

I think you should take your own advice.

I don't consider that politicizing the issue. In fact I consider it a vote against politicizing the issue.

To me there is only one option. Get vaccinated and open up. There may be some form of restrictions in extreme situations and I will accept that. I'm even cool with mask mandates indoors in certain situations. I follow the science.

My point is if the Labour party politicizes this issue they will lose my vote. Do the right thing. Do not politicize the issue.

I could be missing something. Is there any rational reason that stands up to not open up once vaccines are available ? Is the cost of lockdowns a good policy decision in the presence of vaccines.

I'm really angry and frustrated in relation to people politicizing this issue. My expectation is that both parties follow the right policy going forward which is to open up.

Is plastering your political party logo on a government vaccine announcement politicizing an issue?

 

[earl]

Yes there is a good reason not to open up once adequate numbers are vaccinated. If there’s still thousands of cases across the Sydney region (or any other part of the country for that matter,) vaccinated people will still contract the virus as they are surrounded by it. The numbers have to come down first for the herd immunity strategy to be effective. If a good number of the population are jabbed and cases are low, open up.

Thank you for your feedback. I appreciate it.

People are always going to catch COVID. We can't stop it. Vaccinated people still contract the virus. We can't stop it.

The herd immunity strategy is not possible. No one believes this is possible anymore.

I mentioned the Doherty report which is where policy decisions are being based on. I've mentioned multiple times that they start with a seeding event of 30 cases. The rumor in the paper which I posted is that the a new report is being put to cabinet and it doesn't change the picture if there are 30 cases or 100's of cases. The epidemiological modelling remains basically the same.

We have to start viewing the situation like this -- lockdowns have huge costs and are unsustainable. Vaccines protect people but you cannot force people to become vaccinated.

I do not believe that you can continue to have lockdowns and hard quarantines going forward.

 

[earl]

I hope sanity prevails. If Labour uses this pandemic to score political points and bankrupt the country they won't get my vote.

We have to open up. I have not heard a valid argument against opening up post vaccines being rolled out.

If anyone has a rational coherent argument for closing down long term let me know.

I'm a little bit surprised by this comment Earl. I seem to recall in some of your earlier posts that you were insisting that people should not politicise this issue.

I think you should take your own advice.

I don't consider that politicizing the issue. In fact I consider it a vote against politicizing the issue.

To me there is only one option. Get vaccinated and open up. There may be some form of restrictions in extreme situations and I will accept that. I'm even cool with mask mandates indoors in certain situations. I follow the science.

My point is if the Labour party politicizes this issue they will lose my vote. Do the right thing. Do not politicize the issue.

I could be missing something. Is there any rational reason that stands up to not open up once vaccines are available ? Is the cost of lockdowns a good policy decision in the presence of vaccines.

I'm really angry and frustrated in relation to people politicizing this issue. My expectation is that both parties follow the right policy going forward which is to open up.

Sorry mate, I didn't understand, but I think I've got it now.

If we criticise Gladys for failing to act quickly enough and allowing Covid 19 to spread uncontrolled, or if we criticise Scotty for failing to build appropriate quarantine facilities or for the tardy rollout of the vaccines, that's politicising the issue.

But if we criticise Labor for not supporting opening up everything up whilst Covid is still running rampant (which they haven't actually done yet) that's not politicising the issue.

Yes. I can see where you're coming from on that.

No not at all. There is a big difference.

You can't keep locking down perfectly especially with the Delta variant being twice as contagious. No institution will get the perfect lockdown settings consistently going forward. NSW health stuffed this lockdown but so will all health jurisdictions going forward.

The only fair to me criticism of Gladys in this situation (which is the entire world) which I admitted is the she was lapping up the "gold standard" approach which was just luck. NSW health have gotten lucky so far and earned the "gold standard" comment. This comment was unrealistic and stupid. It's taking credit for something that is outside of your control.

I will criticize any politician/political party if they do the wrong this for political reasons. I think the extreme version of this is American politics. I hate Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon passionately. He politicized everything.

My expectation is that politicians take the right approach and do not focus on political points especially in such a critical issue.

 

[earl]

Is plastering your political party logo on a government vaccine announcement politicizing an issue?

Personally that isn't an issue that bothers me.

Have you seen some of the stuff out of America. They have a major party with huge numbers of politicians not supporting vaccines. They have governors trying to become President who are enacting mask mandates to ensure people don't have to wear masks. This is all against the health advice.

In Australia my expectation is bi-partisanship acceptance of the only approach which is working across the world. That is a high vaccine uptake combined with measured restrictions where appropriate.

 

[Tiger5150]

Have you seen some of the stuff out of America. They have a major party with huge numbers of politicians not supporting vaccines. .

Which politicians dont support vaccines?

>They have governors trying to become President who are enacting mask mandates to ensure people don't have to wear masks. This is all against the health advice.

Not sure that you understand either what "enacting" means or what a "mask mandate" is.

 

[tigger]

I hope sanity prevails. If Labour uses this pandemic to score political points and bankrupt the country they won't get my vote.

We have to open up. I have not heard a valid argument against opening up post vaccines being rolled out.

If anyone has a rational coherent argument for closing down long term let me know.

I'm a little bit surprised by this comment Earl. I seem to recall in some of your earlier posts that you were insisting that people should not politicise this issue.

I think you should take your own advice.

I don't consider that politicizing the issue. In fact I consider it a vote against politicizing the issue.

To me there is only one option. Get vaccinated and open up. There may be some form of restrictions in extreme situations and I will accept that. I'm even cool with mask mandates indoors in certain situations. I follow the science.

My point is if the Labour party politicizes this issue they will lose my vote. Do the right thing. Do not politicize the issue.

I could be missing something. Is there any rational reason that stands up to not open up once vaccines are available ? Is the cost of lockdowns a good policy decision in the presence of vaccines.

I'm really angry and frustrated in relation to people politicizing this issue. My expectation is that both parties follow the right policy going forward which is to open up.

Sorry mate, I didn't understand, but I think I've got it now.

If we criticise Gladys for failing to act quickly enough and allowing Covid 19 to spread uncontrolled, or if we criticise Scotty for failing to build appropriate quarantine facilities or for the tardy rollout of the vaccines, that's politicising the issue.

But if we criticise Labor for not supporting opening up everything up whilst Covid is still running rampant (which they haven't actually done yet) that's not politicising the issue.

Yes. I can see where you're coming from on that.

No not at all. There is a big difference.

You can't keep locking down perfectly especially with the Delta variant being twice as contagious. No institution will get the perfect lockdown settings consistently going forward. NSW health stuffed this lockdown but so will all health jurisdictions going forward.

The only fair to me criticism of Gladys in this situation (which is the entire world) which I admitted is the she was lapping up the "gold standard" approach which was just luck. NSW health have gotten lucky so far and earned the "gold standard" comment. This comment was unrealistic and stupid. It's taking credit for something that is outside of your control.

I will criticize any politician/political party if they do the wrong this for political reasons. I think the extreme version of this is American politics. I hate Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon passionately. He politicized everything.

My expectation is that politicians take the right approach and do not focus on political points especially in such a critical issue.

I agree with most of what you say there, although I think that you are letting Gladys off a bit too easy. I think that the light lockdown had a lot to do with conservative ideology. But we could go backwards and forwards from now to eternity without getting any closer on that subject.

When I read your original comments about politicising this issue, they seemed to me to be more directed towards the contributors to this forum politicising the issue within this forum. Hence my comment to you that you might like to heed your own advice. I certainly interpret your comments in today's post as you politicising the issue.

Now, I have no problem with that other than the fact that
- lots of people reading this forum probably don't want to be bothered by politics
- mods have asked us to keep politics out of the thread
- you specifically have urged people on this forum to not politicise the issue

So, that's it. No doubt you will disagree with me, but that's how I see it.

Stay safe.

 

[innsaneink]

60 people from many lockdown LGAs at a church gathering in Blacktown last night

Way
To
Go
🙄

 

[jadtiger]

60 people from many lockdown LGAs at a church gathering in Blacktown last night

Way
To
Go
🙄

What a disgrace, even Jehovah would be shaking his head at the irresposibilty and stupidity

 

[earl]

I agree with most of what you say there, although I think that you are letting Gladys off a bit too easy. I think that the light lockdown had a lot to do with conservative ideology. But we could go backwards and forwards from now to eternity without getting any closer on that subject.

I think we are on the same page here.

When I read your original comments about politicising this issue, they seemed to me to be more directed towards the contributors to this forum politicising the issue within this forum. Hence my comment to you that you might like to heed your own advice. I certainly interpret your comments in today's post as you politicising the issue.

I probably shouldn't have mentioned sides. What I should have said was if any politician or political party starts to make bad decisions based on trying to win political points I won't vote for them.

Stay safe.

I'll stay as safe as possible. I'm already doubly vaccinated. My 2 oldest kids have had one shot and I assume will get their second shot. I also have a 10 yo but I think he should be safe. My parents are vaccinated as well.

I basically think myself and my family are as safe as we can possibly be in relation to COVID. I'm following the health advice and wearing masks outdoors even though the science doesn't support this.

I'll do my bit for society but my expectation is that our politicians open up and they open up soon. My only concern is for communities that haven't been given the opportunities to get vaccinated and people who are impacted by disinformation.

 

[earl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOp2cK4YvRM

This is the type of stuff I think is really bad. This guy listened to a podcast that spread disinformation that was posted on here as well.

He died.