Coronavirus Outbreak

[Magpie_Magic]

A QR code is a restriction?

Well I certainly hope QR code requirements are removed as soon as there is a handle on this. Having to essentially enter an electronic logbook of everywhere you go is rather creepy in a free society.

I support its use as a temporary covid measure but would absolutely oppose it remaining in place permanently.


I doubt if anyone would support its continuation when it is no longer needed

But who decides when it is no longer needed?


I would accept a panel from the medical profession (experts not government appointees) deciding when to stop it certainly not any politician.

Well, at least one,Professor Spurrier ,the CMO in SA has previously said she would like them permanent so as can be be ready in case of another health crisis. Sounds like pandemics might be part of the narrative long term according to her expert opinion.

I wouldn't want medical and scientific experts running the show things could get weird

https://www.thewire.org.au/story/retaining-qr-codes-post-covid-19/

 

[Tiger5150]

I wouldn't want medical and scientific experts running the show things could get weird

https://www.thewire.org.au/story/retaining-qr-codes-post-covid-19/

I agree with you there. It is part of the problem with putting medical professionals front and centre in decision making like Fauci & Chant ( I think Chant has done a good job, I think Fauci is a disgrace who has contributed to the problem). As medical professionals their total focus is and should be saving lives, preventing infection and mitigating harm. They have no expertise, interest or authority in matters social or economic.

It will be up to politicians to balance advice from medical/scientific/economic advisors. Good luck to them.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

How dire the situation is in Far Western NSW. And the solution? A few motorhomes.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-30/barkaa-shares-message-as-wilcannia-sees-rising-cases/100412432

I saw the woman's video, crying for help for the lady turned away from the hospital.
So telling, so disgraceful.
There's real need NOW and who is helping?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2T0vdfT1ps

Italian bloke who works we me
We swap laughs and company
And he slapped me on the back and said you're wrong son
This isn't the land I thought it would be, it's not so equal and not so free

 

[tigertye]

Anyone else seen the clips (Channel 9 News from memory) going around of a few people in hospital talking about their struggles after contracting covid and some saying their families have all caught it too, etc, etc.

People now posting photos of these people as actors.

Bit weird and pretty suss.

i've seen the posts saying the lady was an actor
didn't realise actors had an immunity to covid!
didn't a today or sunrise host get covid too? wouldn't that be a conspiracy too?

?‍♂️ I’m just noting that it’s strange that some of the people interviewed in hospital with covid have been identified as potentially being actors using other names. Not creating a conspiracy theory. But I saw the photos and just think it’s a bit off that mainstream media might be circulating misleading information to push agendas. It just opens your eyes a bit.

I just think that this type of stuff is what gives people concerns and makes people anxious about the whole covid situation.

Bloody hell, you can’t even make a general comment or have a discussion about things these days without people insinuating your some sort of conspiracy theorist when that’s not the case at all.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9932171/Anti-vaxxers-claim-Covid-patients-powerful-government-advert-paid-actors-claim-false.html

Were these the actors or are they different actors?

1 was debunked as the wrong person identified. The other looks pretty damn similar. There are other ones out there too. Tried to upload a picture but saying file size too large

 

[mike]

I wouldn't want medical and scientific experts running the show things could get weird

https://www.thewire.org.au/story/retaining-qr-codes-post-covid-19/

I agree with you there. It is part of the problem with putting medical professionals front and centre in decision making like Fauci & Chant ( I think Chant has done a good job, I think Fauci is a disgrace who has contributed to the problem). As medical professionals their total focus is and should be saving lives, preventing infection and mitigating harm. They have no expertise, interest or authority in matters social or economic.

It will be up to politicians to balance advice from medical/scientific/economic advisors. Good luck to them.

The trouble with some politicians these days is that’s their career, and they have never worked outside of politics. The result is they have no BS detection, they can’t tell the difference between good advice and idiotic advice because they have no real world experience. There are very few really good politicians these days that actually know how the world works.

 

[Papacito]

Interesting that the case numbers remain stable for about the 3rd day in a row. Still high, still not good, but good that it isnt increasing let alone growing exponentially.

The daily average of case increases has been up and down for the last ten days (blue line) but is trending down really slowly (black line).

We're probably seeing the growth slowing down due to vaccinations and restrictions.

It'll be a tough slog to get growth below 1 (which sees daily new cases drop) but it's looking good.


 

[Magpie_Magic]

A QR code is a restriction?

Your right only a surveillance tool which can lead to restrictions if one has been earshot of a positive case even though vaccinated.

What a load of nonsense.

If your familiar with the words decency/good manners and the psychology connected with those words [and I am sure you are] you would realise that you just cannot say that another persons thoughts or feelings are nonsense [or rubbish... as a few on here like to fling around].
We are all entitled to think and feel what we do, whether we are right or wrong.
As a mod on here I would have thought one of the requirements to be a mod is that you show posters **respect**, no matter how wrong you feel they are.
I suggest in future you say "I disagree very strongly" or similar.
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Yeh but this is a footy forum and we're tough guys so crapping on other peoples feelings and thoughts is allowed.
Correct?

Haha,
There's been a bit of name calling, someone else called me a Muppet lol.

Copped far worse as a Wests fan pre teenage years at footy grounds and learned to give as good as I get.
Not that fussed about that gent.

 

[Tiger5150]

Interesting that the case numbers remain stable for about the 3rd day in a row. Still high, still not good, but good that it isnt increasing let alone growing exponentially.

The daily average of case increases has been up and down for the last ten days (blue line) but is trending down really slowly (black line).

We're probably seeing the growth slowing down due to vaccinations and restrictions.

It'll be a tough slog to get growth below 1 (which sees daily new cases drop) but it's looking good.


Where does that graph come from? It doesnt look right in that I dont think it can be a "daily" multiplier because for example todays number is less than yesterdays and therefore todays multiple is less than 1.

That graph seems to be multiples of the original number (10 days ago?) which I think would be relatively meaningless.

At the start of all of this I had a graph showing the rate of growth of the cases and at that time it was exponential growth and the actual daily multiplier was meaningful because it measures the rate of growth but that number is what factor of yesterdays number. That graph looks different?

EDIT: Maybe it is correct, but just showing a small timeframe? Anytime the number has been less the previous days (which has been a few) the daily multiplier would be less than 1?

 

[Magpie_Magic]

I wouldn't want medical and scientific experts running the show things could get weird

https://www.thewire.org.au/story/retaining-qr-codes-post-covid-19/

I agree with you there. It is part of the problem with putting medical professionals front and centre in decision making like Fauci & Chant ( I think Chant has done a good job, I think Fauci is a disgrace who has contributed to the problem). As medical professionals their total focus is and should be saving lives, preventing infection and mitigating harm. They have no expertise, interest or authority in matters social or economic.

It will be up to politicians to balance advice from medical/scientific/economic advisors. Good luck to them.

And who can forget the WHO saying in January 2020 that the virus doesn't transmit from people to people. How different things could have been. (I could find the link if pressed haha) . These people are still employed.

Then scientists told us we should be able to achieve herd immunity from vaccination above 70%. Lost a lot of faith in science.

And that's my point re vaccines unfortunately. You see I don't want to catch this crappy virus from China and take precautions and will eventually get vaccinated maybe with Moderna but I want to feel at ease with safety and don't want booster shots every 6 months. Personally I don't want to catch it but if I do not really worried about myself just personally but more worried for my folks.

But a key thing for me is yes vaccines are quite effective but sadly enable transmission from vaccinated to others meaning herd immunity will never be achieved and the virus will always be around so even if we feel protected in a relative sense the government can always claim needing "special powers" indefinitely so life may permanently be disrupted. Sincerely hope I'm wrong.

The vaccines are not eliminating or suppressing the virus to a large enough degree so the "Coronavirus " will be a many year part of the narrative.

That's why as I said in a post yesterday (and some thought I only wanted freedom of restrictions to protest lol) I hope we are allowed to assemble once at 80% because I think a lot of people including myself want a total end to all restrictions regardless of case numbers. Only 2 years ago over 900 sadly died of the flu in this country. I feel for these souls and their families and their families could argue why didn't they stop the world to attempt to save them.

If Covid 19 or the China virus as some have called it is permanently going to be with us, once everyone has a chance to get vaccinated and we reach 80% vaccinated we must get on with life.
I'm willing to take to the streets if allowed to support this because we have lost 2 years of our lives and what if this continues for another 6 ,7 or more years.

 

[BZN]

A QR code is a restriction?

Your right only a surveillance tool which can lead to restrictions if one has been earshot of a positive case even though vaccinated.

What a load of nonsense.

If your familiar with the words decency/good manners and the psychology connected with those words [and I am sure you are] you would realise that you just cannot say that another persons thoughts or feelings are nonsense [or rubbish... as a few on here like to fling around].
We are all entitled to think and feel what we do, whether we are right or wrong.
As a mod on here I would have thought one of the requirements to be a mod is that you show posters **respect**, no matter how wrong you feel they are.
I suggest in future you say "I disagree very strongly" or similar.
************
Yeh but this is a footy forum and we're tough guys so crapping on other peoples feelings and thoughts is allowed.
Correct?

He might think its nonsense?

Think about it @Tiger5150...I'm pretty sure you will come up with the correct meaning to what I said.

 

[Papacito]

Interesting that the case numbers remain stable for about the 3rd day in a row. Still high, still not good, but good that it isnt increasing let alone growing exponentially.

The daily average of case increases has been up and down for the last ten days (blue line) but is trending down really slowly (black line).

We're probably seeing the growth slowing down due to vaccinations and restrictions.

It'll be a tough slog to get growth below 1 (which sees daily new cases drop) but it's looking good.


Where does that graph come from? It doesnt look right in that I dont think it can be a "daily" multiplier because for example todays number is less than yesterdays and therefore todays multiple is less than 1.

That graph seems to be multiples of the original number (10 days ago?) which I think would be relatively meaningless.

At the start of all of this I had a graph showing the rate of growth of the cases and at that time it was exponential growth and the actual daily multiplier was meaningful because it measures the rate of growth but that number is what factor of yesterdays number. That graph looks different?

EDIT: Maybe it is correct, but just showing a small timeframe? Anytime the number has been less the previous days (which has been a few) the daily multiplier would be less than 1?

This is a dataset that we keep at my work based on NSW Health data. We have data going way back but too many variables have changed (vax rates, superspreader events).

Full explanation:

Blue = I'm not a maths teacher so my explanation is rough as guts, but it's a rolling five day average of increases tracked over the last 10 days (1 is the increase from 10 days ago and 1 is today).

I'm not an infectious disease expert either, but that multiplier is about 5 apparently without any restrictions.

Black = Linear regression of that increase, so basically showing trend of the average.

The model at work that we're running says 2,000 daily cases on 12 September and 6,000 daily cases on 30 September/1 October.

It's exponential in a way, because you start to see daily cases growing by 300 per day by the end compared to (on av) 50-60 currently. Obviously not a good thing if those people are rocking up at your local hospital.

Vaccines might blunt all this though.

 

[Papacito]

Interesting that the case numbers remain stable for about the 3rd day in a row. Still high, still not good, but good that it isnt increasing let alone growing exponentially.

The daily average of case increases has been up and down for the last ten days (blue line) but is trending down really slowly (black line).

We're probably seeing the growth slowing down due to vaccinations and restrictions.

It'll be a tough slog to get growth below 1 (which sees daily new cases drop) but it's looking good.


Where does that graph come from? It doesnt look right in that I dont think it can be a "daily" multiplier because for example todays number is less than yesterdays and therefore todays multiple is less than 1.

That graph seems to be multiples of the original number (10 days ago?) which I think would be relatively meaningless.

At the start of all of this I had a graph showing the rate of growth of the cases and at that time it was exponential growth and the actual daily multiplier was meaningful because it measures the rate of growth but that number is what factor of yesterdays number. That graph looks different?

EDIT: Maybe it is correct, but just showing a small timeframe? Anytime the number has been less the previous days (which has been a few) the daily multiplier would be less than 1?

Also, question about the multiplier less than 1 when cases drop.

Yes, that's true but it won't show up on our model because we average things out over 5 days.

 

[Tiger5150]

Interesting that the case numbers remain stable for about the 3rd day in a row. Still high, still not good, but good that it isnt increasing let alone growing exponentially.

The daily average of case increases has been up and down for the last ten days (blue line) but is trending down really slowly (black line).

We're probably seeing the growth slowing down due to vaccinations and restrictions.

It'll be a tough slog to get growth below 1 (which sees daily new cases drop) but it's looking good.


Where does that graph come from? It doesnt look right in that I dont think it can be a "daily" multiplier because for example todays number is less than yesterdays and therefore todays multiple is less than 1.

That graph seems to be multiples of the original number (10 days ago?) which I think would be relatively meaningless.

At the start of all of this I had a graph showing the rate of growth of the cases and at that time it was exponential growth and the actual daily multiplier was meaningful because it measures the rate of growth but that number is what factor of yesterdays number. That graph looks different?

EDIT: Maybe it is correct, but just showing a small timeframe? Anytime the number has been less the previous days (which has been a few) the daily multiplier would be less than 1?

Also, question about the multiplier less than 1 when cases drop.

Yes, that's true but it won't show up on our model because we average things out over 5 days.

Ok....weird, but understood.

EDIT...not weird, I'm sure it has been constructed for a purpose (possibly long term view) but over a 10 period it makes no sense to me (not that that means anything).

 

[Tiger5150]

Interesting that the case numbers remain stable for about the 3rd day in a row. Still high, still not good, but good that it isnt increasing let alone growing exponentially.

The daily average of case increases has been up and down for the last ten days (blue line) but is trending down really slowly (black line).

We're probably seeing the growth slowing down due to vaccinations and restrictions.

It'll be a tough slog to get growth below 1 (which sees daily new cases drop) but it's looking good.


Where does that graph come from? It doesnt look right in that I dont think it can be a "daily" multiplier because for example todays number is less than yesterdays and therefore todays multiple is less than 1.

That graph seems to be multiples of the original number (10 days ago?) which I think would be relatively meaningless.

At the start of all of this I had a graph showing the rate of growth of the cases and at that time it was exponential growth and the actual daily multiplier was meaningful because it measures the rate of growth but that number is what factor of yesterdays number. That graph looks different?

EDIT: Maybe it is correct, but just showing a small timeframe? Anytime the number has been less the previous days (which has been a few) the daily multiplier would be less than 1?

This is a dataset that we keep at my work based on NSW Health data. We have data going way back but too many variables have changed (vax rates, superspreader events).

Full explanation:

Blue = I'm not a maths teacher so my explanation is rough as guts, but it's a rolling five day average of increases tracked over the last 10 days (1 is the increase from 10 days ago and 1 is today).

I'm not an infectious disease expert either, but that multiplier is about 5 apparently without any restrictions.

Black = Linear regression of that increase, so basically showing trend of the average.

The model at work that we're running says 2,000 daily cases on 12 September and 6,000 daily cases on 30 September/1 October.

***It's exponential in a way,*** because you start to see daily cases growing by 300 per day by the end compared to (on av) 50-60 currently. Obviously not a good thing if those people are rocking up at your local hospital.

Vaccines might blunt all this though.

Thanks for the explanation.

Technically any growth is exponential if you look short term and allow the periodic (daily in this case) multiplier to change for each period. Typically though what would be considered expontential change would be when that periodic or daily multiplier stayed constant or increased in which case the graph of what ever is growing would look parabolic and that is how you get massive numbers in a short time like last year.

Whilst numbers increase by a steady number rather than a multiplier, the growth is linear and the graph of cases looks like a straight line and the growth is slower and constant. Thankfully, so far the growth is pretty much linear now and I hope it stays that way.

 

[happy_tiger]

I wouldn't want medical and scientific experts running the show things could get weird

https://www.thewire.org.au/story/retaining-qr-codes-post-covid-19/

I agree with you there. It is part of the problem with putting medical professionals front and centre in decision making like Fauci & Chant ( I think Chant has done a good job, I think Fauci is a disgrace who has contributed to the problem). As medical professionals their total focus is and should be saving lives, preventing infection and mitigating harm. They have no expertise, interest or authority in matters social or economic.

It will be up to politicians to balance advice from medical/scientific/economic advisors. Good luck to them.

The trouble with some politicians these days is that’s their career, and they have never worked outside of politics. The result is they have no BS detection, they can’t tell the difference between good advice and idiotic advice because they have no real world experience. There are very few really good politicians these days that actually know how the world works.

Thye know how the world works Mike ...they just want to paint a completely different picture or no one last 2 terms ....

 

[Guest]

A QR code is a restriction?

Your right only a surveillance tool which can lead to restrictions if one has been earshot of a positive case even though vaccinated.

What a load of nonsense.

If your familiar with the words decency/good manners and the psychology connected with those words [and I am sure you are] you would realise that you just cannot say that another persons thoughts or feelings are nonsense [or rubbish... as a few on here like to fling around].
We are all entitled to think and feel what we do, whether we are right or wrong.
As a mod on here I would have thought one of the requirements to be a mod is that you show posters **respect**, no matter how wrong you feel they are.
I suggest in future you say "I disagree very strongly" or similar.
************
Yeh but this is a footy forum and we're tough guys so crapping on other peoples feelings and thoughts is allowed.
Correct?

He might think its nonsense?

Indeed I do, I mean people need to seriously have a good think about how much in the way of resources the government has if they think they've got the resources to conduct surveillance on you based on QR code usage. It just isn't feasible...

 

[mike]

One thing for sure, the lawyers are rubbing their hands with glee. There will be court actions for decades after all this is over.

 

[Merlot]

who is gonna take a 3rd shot

 

[swag_tiger]

who is gonna take a 3rd shot

We take a booster every year for the flu don't we?
What's the difference in taking one for Covid?

 

[Guest]

One thing for sure, the lawyers are rubbing their hands with glee. There will be court actions for decades after all this is over.

Based on what though Mike?