Coronavirus Outbreak

[Cultured_Bogan]

Maybe the different Vaccines UK mostly AZ .. Israel all Pfizer..

US all Pfizer and they arent getting the percentages that Israel are.

Heading in the wrong direction in America too now. 184,000 new infections there just yesterday, and 1,480 new deaths.

This is a real worry for the health situation and personal freedoms long term.

Only yesterday people would go after me for a post like this

Hope people downvote me

So what is your suggestion?


Thanks, back to rationality.

Obviously we have all made sacrifices social and lifestyle over the last 2 years and even worse some have got seriously ill and passed away sadly. For me and many others we have also taken big hits job, business and money wise some people will be permanently financially ruined because sadly the government support measures didn't help everyone. Certain things including footy club's will disappear, can't have no crowds or club's shut or semi open.

Can't have people like above posters into isolation away from families for 2 weeks for going to a supermarket fully vaxed, I mean hey if your vaxed and come down with a flu for a few days no big deal, life went on footy games were played. We need to make a decision .

But as free societies if we are indeed that we need perhaps the public to be asked to a vote in a plebiscite perhaps that if if we and 80 plus people are vaccinated life return to normal.

Or do we continue this way for many years. I can't believe restrictions like this would ever have been countenanced in the past even without vaccination let alone vaccinated.

Perhaps we can have a poll on this.
I'd love to know how people prefer this to go.

Once we hit 80%, the only restrictions will be to protect the health system from collapsing, if you can't see that being important then I can't help you.

It's very important.
But, people are putting their faith in vaccines and reopening. Isn't that why we are getting vaccinated, otherwise whats the point.

But at some point life must go on

No one disagrees that life needs to go on at some point, but if there's multitudes of COVID cases blocking up the hospitals, that has a flow on effect. If you're having a stroke, heart attack, internal bleed, haemorrhage or been in a serious car/work accident, and the hospitals are chocked up with people sick from the virus and under-resourced as a result, what do you think your odds or surviving those particular non-COVID related incidents would be?

Measures will need to be taken still to stop the hospitals from collapsing. We will have a lot more freedom again once vaccinations are in the targets we need them to be. Yeah we'll probably still need to wear masks and keep sanitising more than we once did but small price to pay to be able to jump on a plane or have a beer.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Further to my above post showing the UK vaccination graph and potential comparisons with Australia and our opening up, I stuffed up with the second upload to show the **total % of population** figures.

A very important fact that we must give even more serious consideration to when comparing with the UK and the like is our extremely low rate of Covid infection, with the UK having more than 10% of their population as confirmed cases and the true number likely to be closer than double that. Australia compares at 0.22% confirmed cases, so have bugger all relative natural immunity amongst us.

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[Cultured_Bogan]

Professor McCaw of the University of Melbourne/Doherty Institute said the 80% reopening is contingent upon a number of requirements including very few cases in the community. Even Gladys couldn't stand in front of the cameras at 11am suggesting 1000s per day is very few and won't continue to overwhelm contact tracing and our health system.

Epidemiologist on 9 advised the following in the context of reopening of Australia -

First line of defence is no virus and maintain borders.
Second line of defence is reduce virus in the community.

In relation to fear of using AZ, he advised results from UK confirm -

AZ is the better vaccine of the two in reducing hospitalisations and the immunity from it lasts longer.

If I didn't have existing clotting complications due to medication I would have got AZ months ago.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

What we do have is a crisis in Far Western NSW now! 12% of the indigenous community of Wilcannia is Covid positive. Less than 10% of indigenous people vaccinated.

***This isn't that land I thought it would be, it's not so equal and not so free.***

I know he grates on some people, but have a watch of Jordan Shanks video "they don't care," where he speaks to Michael Kennedy, the chairman of the Aboriginal Land Council in Wilcannia. He previously spoke in the water theft video that Shanks did a while back and this is a man who is passionate about his community and trying to draw attention to constant short changing that is taking place in regional and remote communities like Wilcannia.

Michael speaks to Shanks over the phone as he and his family have contracted COVID themselves, and goes on to talk about Barilaro blaming a community funeral for the spread and also how the Aboriginal Land Council have been asking for cooperation with COVID management, health resources and guaranteeing food supply. He didn't even know what to do once he was confirmed COVID positive until a family member of his who worked in NSW Health managed to source the info for him. Meanwhile my in laws who are only close contacts got a call within 24 hours of finding out my SIL had been a close contact to a positive case at her place of work, offered mental health support, asked if they would require deliveries and well stocked for food. Stark contrast there.

It's a resounding disgrace, especially with the leader of the Nationals labelling them as dickheads.

 

[cochise]

The health system is in a world of trouble.

 

[Papacito]

This is in the August 10 update of the Doherty report:

*Ongoing situational assessment of measured transmission potential and circulating SARS-CoV-2
variants in the Australian population over coming months will allow benchmarking of these
hypothetical scenarios to guide real time policy decision making about the transition to Phase B
of the National Plan.*

Sounds like there's a whole next step that's either being ignored or people aren't being told about?

Wow! That's really convoluted language.

Do they mean that they're going to check what's actually happening over the next couple of months against what they said would happen and then make an assessment of the accuracy of their forecast models?

That's my take on it.

 

[TillLindemann]

I have made a few posts on here expressing concern about rates of infections and deaths in countries with relatively high vaccination rates, such as Israel, Britain, America.

I just want to be very clear, in case my motives for posting that have been misconstrued:
- those countries would be in a far, far worse situation without their high vaccination rates
- high vaccination rates are essential for our country going forward
- everyone should get vaccinated if you haven't already

 

[Tiger5150]

Maybe the different Vaccines UK mostly AZ .. Israel all Pfizer..

US all Pfizer and they arent getting the percentages that Israel are.

Heading in the wrong direction in America too now. 184,000 new infections there just yesterday, and 1,480 new deaths.

This is a real worry for the health situation and personal freedoms long term.

Only yesterday people would go after me for a post like this

Hope people downvote me

UK recorded over 35,000 new cases and 207 deaths yesterday. Re-opening is not going well. It's the highest death toll since 231 deaths were recorded on 9 March 21.
To make it worse, these figures come after a bank holiday weekend when there is traditionally a lag in numbers.

ITs NOT the same, but as a baseline, in 2018, 85 people a day died of Influenza (with or without pneumonia).

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/influenzadeathsin20182019and2020

 

[Tiger5150]

Maybe the different Vaccines UK mostly AZ .. Israel all Pfizer..

US all Pfizer and they arent getting the percentages that Israel are.

Heading in the wrong direction in America too now. 184,000 new infections there just yesterday, and 1,480 new deaths.

This is a real worry for the health situation and personal freedoms long term.

Only yesterday people would go after me for a post like this

Hope people downvote me

UK recorded over 35,000 new cases and 207 deaths yesterday. Re-opening is not going well. It's the highest death toll since 231 deaths were recorded on 9 March 21.
To make it worse, these figures come after a bank holiday weekend when there is traditionally a lag in numbers.

The UK is still only at 64% vaccination rate. Hopefully 70-80% is enough to keep a lid of things.

Need to be careful with these numbers. UK is at 64% of total population. They are at 88% of population older than 16 which is what our "70-80%" figure is based on.

EDIT: Didnt see that @formerguest had already covered it.

 

[Tiger5150]

In relation to fear of using AZ, he advised ***results from UK confirm*** -

A***Z is the better vaccine of the two in reducing hospitalisations*** and the immunity from it lasts longer.

Im somewhat hesitant to say this guy is lying but results of studies commissioned by Public Health England and published by the UK Govt show that both are effective at preventing hospitalisations but Pfizer the better vaccine at both preventing infection and preventing hospitalisation.

I understand that people want to remove AZ hesitancy, but misinformation shouldnt be the way to do it (unless there are other credible studies the guy is referencing?).

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

 

[Tiger5150]

Professor McCaw of the University of Melbourne/Doherty Institute said the 80% reopening is contingent upon a number of requirements including very few cases in the community. Even Gladys couldn't stand in front of the cameras at 11am suggesting 1000s per day is very few and won't continue to overwhelm contact tracing and our health system.

Epidemiologist on 9 advised the following in the context of reopening of Australia -

First line of defence is no virus and maintain borders.
Second line of defence is reduce virus in the community.

In relation to fear of using AZ, he advised results from UK confirm -

AZ is the better vaccine of the two in reducing hospitalisations and the immunity from it lasts longer.

I read the same thing that AZ is the better of the 2 for hospitalisations,immunity and lasting longer ..as someone posted yesterday why there was a difference between Israel and the UK two different vaccines maybe!

Not having a crack at you, but where did you read that?

 

[Tiger5150]

Professor McCaw of the University of Melbourne/Doherty Institute said the 80% reopening is contingent upon a number of requirements including very few cases in the community. Even Gladys couldn't stand in front of the cameras at 11am suggesting 1000s per day is very few and won't continue to overwhelm contact tracing and our health system.

Epidemiologist on 9 advised the following in the context of reopening of Australia -

First line of defence is no virus and maintain borders.
Second line of defence is reduce virus in the community.

In relation to fear of using AZ, he advised results from UK confirm -

AZ is the better vaccine of the two in reducing hospitalisations and the immunity from it lasts longer.

If I didn't have existing clotting complications due to medication I would have got AZ months ago.

I assume that you checked this with your doctor? The reason I ask is a friend of mine recently had very bad clotting issues but her doctor told her that the clotting issue with the AZ is a different type and she isnt at any more increased risk than the rest of the population. She got the AZ (wanted the Pfizer but was told she is too old).

 

[cochise]

Maybe the different Vaccines UK mostly AZ .. Israel all Pfizer..

US all Pfizer and they arent getting the percentages that Israel are.

Heading in the wrong direction in America too now. 184,000 new infections there just yesterday, and 1,480 new deaths.

This is a real worry for the health situation and personal freedoms long term.

Only yesterday people would go after me for a post like this

Hope people downvote me

UK recorded over 35,000 new cases and 207 deaths yesterday. Re-opening is not going well. It's the highest death toll since 231 deaths were recorded on 9 March 21.
To make it worse, these figures come after a bank holiday weekend when there is traditionally a lag in numbers.

The UK is still only at 64% vaccination rate. Hopefully 70-80% is enough to keep a lid of things.

Need to be careful with these numbers. UK is at 64% of total population. They are at 88% of population older than 16 which is what our "70-80%" figure is based on.

Thanks mate.

 

[happy_tiger]

1400 plus more cases

Surely Sydney's hospital ICU's must be at breaking point ......

 

[pawsandclaws1]

In relation to fear of using AZ, he advised ***results from UK confirm*** -

A***Z is the better vaccine of the two in reducing hospitalisations*** and the immunity from it lasts longer.

Im somewhat hesitant to say this guy is lying but results of studies commissioned by Public Health England and published by the UK Govt show that both are effective at preventing hospitalisations but Pfizer the better vaccine at both preventing infection and preventing hospitalisation.

I understand that people want to remove AZ hesitancy, but misinformation shouldnt be the way to do it (unless there are other credible studies the guy is referencing?).

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

This is a leading epidemiologist who is not from NSW. His advice was quite clear.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Professor McCaw of the University of Melbourne/Doherty Institute said the 80% reopening is contingent upon a number of requirements including very few cases in the community. Even Gladys couldn't stand in front of the cameras at 11am suggesting 1000s per day is very few and won't continue to overwhelm contact tracing and our health system.

Epidemiologist on 9 advised the following in the context of reopening of Australia -

First line of defence is no virus and maintain borders.
Second line of defence is reduce virus in the community.

In relation to fear of using AZ, he advised results from UK confirm -

AZ is the better vaccine of the two in reducing hospitalisations and the immunity from it lasts longer.

If I didn't have existing clotting complications due to medication I would have got AZ months ago.

I assume that you checked this with your doctor? The reason I ask is a friend of mine recently had very bad clotting issues but her doctor told her that the clotting issue with the AZ is a different type and she isnt at any more increased risk than the rest of the population. She got the AZ (wanted the Pfizer but was told she is too old).

Yes, of course I did. I checked with my cardiologist.

I understand it the same as you in that the mechanism behind the clotting is not the same as blood clots that I can be predisposed to, the wariness comes from the fact at any given time I could have clots floating around in my body due to the sensitivity of Warfarin with food intake and possible clot amalgamation. Given I had had TIA's in the past, am on Warfarin and also have atrial fibrillation, if my INR is not in the right space it can be risky with additional clots forming due to other medications.

 

[Tiger5150]

In relation to fear of using AZ, he advised ***results from UK confirm*** -

A***Z is the better vaccine of the two in reducing hospitalisations*** and the immunity from it lasts longer.

Im somewhat hesitant to say this guy is lying but results of studies commissioned by Public Health England and published by the UK Govt show that both are effective at preventing hospitalisations but Pfizer the better vaccine at both preventing infection and preventing hospitalisation.

I understand that people want to remove AZ hesitancy, but misinformation shouldnt be the way to do it (unless there are other credible studies the guy is referencing?).

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

This is a leading epidemiologist who is not from NSW. His advice was quite clear.

Sure and Im not an epidemiologist and dont claim any greater knowledge, just making the point that his clear advice seems to contradict the advice of the UK Govt and Public Health England and he referemced the UK. Would love to know what his advice was based on.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

 

[happy_tiger]

Professor McCaw of the University of Melbourne/Doherty Institute said the 80% reopening is contingent upon a number of requirements including very few cases in the community. Even Gladys couldn't stand in front of the cameras at 11am suggesting 1000s per day is very few and won't continue to overwhelm contact tracing and our health system.

Epidemiologist on 9 advised the following in the context of reopening of Australia -

First line of defence is no virus and maintain borders.
Second line of defence is reduce virus in the community.

In relation to fear of using AZ, he advised results from UK confirm -

AZ is the better vaccine of the two in reducing hospitalisations and the immunity from it lasts longer.

If I didn't have existing clotting complications due to medication I would have got AZ months ago.

I assume that you checked this with your doctor? The reason I ask is a friend of mine recently had very bad clotting issues but her doctor told her that the clotting issue with the AZ is a different type and she isnt at any more increased risk than the rest of the population. She got the AZ (wanted the Pfizer but was told she is too old).

Yes, of course I did. I checked with my cardiologist.

I understand it the same as you in that the mechanism behind the clotting is not the same as blood clots that I can be predisposed to, the wariness comes from the fact at any given time I could have clots floating around in my body due to the sensitivity of Warfarin with food intake and possible clot amalgamation. Given I had had TIA's in the past, am on Warfarin and also have atrial fibrillation, if my INR is not in the right space it can be risky with additional clots forming due to other medications.

That warfarain is bad poo man .....

 

[pawsandclaws1]

In relation to fear of using AZ, he advised ***results from UK confirm*** -

A***Z is the better vaccine of the two in reducing hospitalisations*** and the immunity from it lasts longer.

Im somewhat hesitant to say this guy is lying but results of studies commissioned by Public Health England and published by the UK Govt show that both are effective at preventing hospitalisations but Pfizer the better vaccine at both preventing infection and preventing hospitalisation.

I understand that people want to remove AZ hesitancy, but misinformation shouldnt be the way to do it (unless there are other credible studies the guy is referencing?).

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

This is a leading epidemiologist who is not from NSW. His advice was quite clear.

Sure and Im not an epidemiologist and dont claim any greater knowledge, just making the point that his clear advice seems to contradict the advice of the UK Govt and Public Health England and he referemced the UK. Would love to know what his advice was based on.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vaccines-highly-effective-against-hospitalisation-from-delta-variant

Why don''t you just accept his advice as the expert in his field.

 

[swag_tiger]

Surely our health department is close to breaking point.