David Nofoaluma #164

[Swordy]

Ive gone the full 360 on Mansour and heres why
1)Our squad has no specialist wingers apart from Nofo-were comsistently trying to manufacture centres into wingers,so if AK doesnt kmake it youll see Talau of Momo...or Cini.Truth is theyre not fast enuff.Mansour wld be as quick as Nofo,better defender but not quite as good as tackle breaker.He cld be useful subject to fitmess
2)JAC aint coming..were dreaming..and theres nobody else worth chasing apart from Garret whom we shld have leveraged Aloi for..history
3)Theres a 50/50 chance Nofo (already overpaid at $450 given his defensive issues)will join Eeels...knowing we have few options,were at his mercy.A 2 yr Mansour contract is a lot like the Morris Bros plugging a gap
4)Our backs,despite reshuffled deckchairs,are the same ones that sstruggled to score in 2020 despite Benjis 22 try assists.Mansour provides some improvement
So all things considered...Mansour adds value for 2 years on any other option we may have

I have a differing opinion.
1) I dont believe it's 50/50 that Nofo is gone at all.
2) I understand the link between a stop gap 2 year contract 'just like the Morris boys' - but Mansour is not even close to that league, which makes any stop gap arrangement with Mansour questionable.
3) Penrith were very keen to move Mansour on. So much so that I understand they have been trying to do so for at least 12 months because his defence is very suspect and he just doesn't fit in. That's and insiders comment from the Panthers, not mine.

I actually like Mansour for his personality and what he might bring in that regard. As a player, his best days were 5 years ago. If I could get him at minimum wage with the promise that you might not play 1st grade all year barring injuries, I'd think about it. But he doesn't want to do that and he has publicly stated that.

I honestly think we would be better served paying Chris Lawrence (not as a player) the $100K to be the mature voice and trainer/coach/encourager of those outside backs.

I'd pass on Mansour, sorry.

I don’t think we can rely on class wingers getting us into the 8 (or 4). Surely having a pair of reliable wingers that allows us to invest more in the spine/backrow to create opportunities out wide is a more productive way to spend our cap. We have committed to Laurie (3yr deal from 22) so let’s just bring both to the club early and if Mansour gets out competed for the wing spot so be it but I got one don’t want to be waiting another year or two to get some success. On a good deal (2 years with Penrith contributing) its extremely low risk

But he wants a guaranteed first grade spot, the whole reason he is looking around. He has a contract at Penrith who have told him he will be playing reggies. Why would he come here to do the same thing?

Courtesy of FoxSports -
“I am still contracted [to the Panthers], but I don’t think I am a reserve-grade player. I think I am good enough to play first grade at Penrith.‘I know I have plenty left in me and I think I can be at the top for at least another three years.” - Josh Mansour

 

[Thaiger]

Ive gone the full 360 on Mansour and heres why
1)Our squad has no specialist wingers apart from Nofo-were comsistently trying to manufacture centres into wingers,so if AK doesnt kmake it youll see Talau of Momo...or Cini.Truth is theyre not fast enuff.Mansour wld be as quick as Nofo,better defender but not quite as good as tackle breaker.He cld be useful subject to fitmess
2)JAC aint coming..were dreaming..and theres nobody else worth chasing apart from Garret whom we shld have leveraged Aloi for..history
3)Theres a 50/50 chance Nofo (already overpaid at $450 given his defensive issues)will join Eeels...knowing we have few options,were at his mercy.A 2 yr Mansour contract is a lot like the Morris Bros plugging a gap
4)Our backs,despite reshuffled deckchairs,are the same ones that sstruggled to score in 2020 despite Benjis 22 try assists.Mansour provides some improvement
So all things considered...Mansour adds value for 2 years on any other option we may have

I have a differing opinion.
1) I dont believe it's 50/50 that Nofo is gone at all.
2) I understand the link between a stop gap 2 year contract 'just like the Morris boys' - but Mansour is not even close to that league, which makes any stop gap arrangement with Mansour questionable.
3) Penrith were very keen to move Mansour on. So much so that I understand they have been trying to do so for at least 12 months because his defence is very suspect and he just doesn't fit in. That's and insiders comment from the Panthers, not mine.

I actually like Mansour for his personality and what he might bring in that regard. As a player, his best days were 5 years ago. If I could get him at minimum wage with the promise that you might not play 1st grade all year barring injuries, I'd think about it. But he doesn't want to do that and he has publicly stated that.

I honestly think we would be better served paying Chris Lawrence (not as a player) the $100K to be the mature voice and trainer/coach/encourager of those outside backs.

I'd pass on Mansour, sorry.

Great post.

 

[happy_tiger]

When you think about it Nofa has played this well .....day after we miss out on JAC he comes out and wants a contract upgrade for 2022 .....

Someone in his camp is on the ball .....

 

[sleeve]

Wingers greatest strength is speed,this diminishes with age.A certain billiant winger has just joined a club on a 4 yr contact beginning in 2022.The winger will be 26 starting the contract and 30 on his final year.The fact is it is very rare to see a top class winger at at 30.The Morris bros. being the exception and on low salaries, Mansour is bad value.

 

[TigerTownSFS]

At 200k after Penrith chip in us it bad value? Mansour has no chance of playing at Penrith because they have promised Staines a starting spot to keep him at the club. Mansour is likely a better winger today than AJ or Momo.

 

[BAGNF05]

I’d be getting on the front foot and offering Xavier Coates 450K for 2022.

Was that Xavier Coates playing on the right wing against at Leichhardt ? The one who, when the Broncos had a line drop out, ran infield, tackled nobody and left Luciano with a unopposed run down the sideline to score in the corner ? It was one of the worst pieces of football I saw all season.

If Nofo did that this place would have gone into meltdown. And you want to offer him $450k.

Young blokes will make mistakes, as does Nofa when trying to play the ball too fast or tackling shadows, Coates also looked at home in origin.

 

[Tiger5150]

At 200k after Penrith chip in us it bad value? Mansour has no chance of playing at Penrith because they have promised Staines a starting spot to keep him at the club. Mansour ***is likely*** a better winger today than AJ or Momo.

I think you summed up exactly why we shouldnt take Mansour. Mansour *might* be as good or a bit better than the young guys we have, so we would sacrifice the development of these young guys for either no or a small advantage. Meanwhile it chews up a roster spot which could be filled by someone that fills a hole we need filled (2nd row/Fullback)

 

[dazza65]

Wingers greatest strength is speed,this diminishes with age.A certain billiant winger has just joined a club on a 4 yr contact beginning in 2022.The winger will be 26 starting the contract and 30 on his final year.The fact is it is very rare to see a top class winger at at 30.The Morris bros. being the exception and on low salaries, Mansour is bad value.

Agreed. Story on Foxsports saying the dogs have gambled $4M on two wingers..... madness I tells ya.....

 

[TigerTownSFS]

At 200k after Penrith chip in us it bad value? Mansour has no chance of playing at Penrith because they have promised Staines a starting spot to keep him at the club. Mansour ***is likely*** a better winger today than AJ or Momo.


I think you summed up exactly why we shouldnt take Mansour. Mansour *might* be as good or a bit better than the young guys we have, so we would sacrifice the development of these young guys for either no or a small advantage. Meanwhile it chews up a roster spot which could be filled by someone that fills a hole we need filled (2nd row/Fullback)

I don’t think he should be guaranteed a spot. I think he probably earns a spot given our current squad but in the medium term (1-2 years) you need to develop low cost young capable options like most teams have to come in and take his spot. I guess I’m saying he is probably a better winger today than AJ so he earns a spot. If those players develop then by all means he can play CC.

 

[jadtiger]

At 200k after Penrith chip in us it bad value? Mansour has no chance of playing at Penrith because they have promised Staines a starting spot to keep him at the club. Mansour ***is likely*** a better winger today than AJ or Momo.


I think you summed up exactly why we shouldnt take Mansour. Mansour *might* be as good or a bit better than the young guys we have, so we would sacrifice the development of these young guys for either no or a small advantage. Meanwhile it chews up a roster spot which could be filled by someone that fills a hole we need filled (2nd row/Fullback)

I don’t think he should be guaranteed a spot. I think he probably earns a spot given our current squad but in the medium term (1-2 years) you need to develop low cost young capable options like most teams have to come in and take his spot. I guess I’m saying he is probably a better winger today than AJ so he earns a spot. If those players develop then by all means he can play CC.

The problem is he still takes up a valuable roster spot when we have more urgent needs on the edge.

 

[Tcat]

Wingers greatest strength is speed,this diminishes with age.A certain billiant winger has just joined a club on a 4 yr contact beginning in 2022.The winger will be 26 starting the contract and 30 on his final year.The fact is it is very rare to see a top class winger at at 30.The Morris bros. being the exception and on low salaries, Mansour is bad value.


Agreed. Story on Foxsports saying the dogs have gamble $4M on two wingers..... madness I tells ya.....

Hopefully Ivan taught Barrett how to rebuild.

 

[Cairnstigers]

Just thinking about Madge and his elusive search for combinations during the last 2 seasons. One combination which we no longer have is Benji/Nofa. Benji with the cut out rainbow or kick to the corner for Nofa would not have been too obvious to the defence. A plan no doubt hatched on the golf course? Bloke in the bar asked Nofa.. who else do you play golf with?” “Just Benji”“who else plays golf at the WT?” Nofa replied “I don’t know.” Does anyone else think that it is odd ? I mean why isn’t golf played by more of WT players?

Because Roosters bought out all the brown paper bags ?
Or is it because they don't have any balls
I don't know
What's the answer

 

[PrattenParkMagpie]

Ive gone the full 360 on Mansour and heres why
1)Our squad has no specialist wingers apart from Nofo-were comsistently trying to manufacture centres into wingers,so if AK doesnt kmake it youll see Talau of Momo...or Cini.Truth is theyre not fast enuff.Mansour wld be as quick as Nofo,better defender but not quite as good as tackle breaker.He cld be useful subject to fitmess
2)JAC aint coming..were dreaming..and theres nobody else worth chasing apart from Garret whom we shld have leveraged Aloi for..history
3)Theres a 50/50 chance Nofo (already overpaid at $450 given his defensive issues)will join Eeels...knowing we have few options,were at his mercy.A 2 yr Mansour contract is a lot like the Morris Bros plugging a gap
4)Our backs,despite reshuffled deckchairs,are the same ones that sstruggled to score in 2020 despite Benjis 22 try assists.Mansour provides some improvement
So all things considered...Mansour adds value for 2 years on any other option we may have

I have a differing opinion.
1) I dont believe it's 50/50 that Nofo is gone at all.
2) I understand the link between a stop gap 2 year contract 'just like the Morris boys' - but Mansour is not even close to that league, which makes any stop gap arrangement with Mansour questionable.
3) Penrith were very keen to move Mansour on. So much so that I understand they have been trying to do so for at least 12 months because his defence is very suspect and he just doesn't fit in. That's and insiders comment from the Panthers, not mine.

I actually like Mansour for his personality and what he might bring in that regard. As a player, his best days were 5 years ago. If I could get him at minimum wage with the promise that you might not play 1st grade all year barring injuries, I'd think about it. But he doesn't want to do that and he has publicly stated that.

I honestly think we would be better served paying Chris Lawrence (not as a player) the $100K to be the mature voice and trainer/coach/encourager of those outside backs.

I'd pass on Mansour, sorry.

I don’t think we can rely on class wingers getting us into the 8 (or 4). Surely having a pair of reliable wingers that allows us to invest more in the spine/backrow to create opportunities out wide is a more productive way to spend our cap. We have committed to Laurie (3yr deal from 22) so let’s just bring both to the club early and if Mansour gets out competed for the wing spot so be it but I got one don’t want to be waiting another year or two to get some success. **On a good deal (2 years with Penrith contributing) its extremely low risk**

Mansour only has a season left on his Penrith contract, so they will only be contibuting for 1 year.

 

[clontarfkid]

At 200k after Penrith chip in us it bad value? Mansour has no chance of playing at Penrith because they have promised Staines a starting spot to keep him at the club. Mansour ***is likely*** a better winger today than AJ or Momo.


I think you summed up exactly why we shouldnt take Mansour. Mansour *might* be as good or a bit better than the young guys we have, so we would sacrifice the development of these young guys for either no or a small advantage. Meanwhile it chews up a roster spot which could be filled by someone that fills a hole we need filled (2nd row/Fullback)

I don’t think he should be guaranteed a spot. I think he probably earns a spot given our current squad but in the medium term (1-2 years) you need to develop low cost young capable options like most teams have to come in and take his spot. I guess I’m saying he is probably a better winger today than AJ so he earns a spot. If those players develop then by all means he can play CC.



The problem is he still takes up a valuable roster spot when we have more urgent needs on the edge.

We have VERY urgent needs on the edge...like rite now..and the way I see it were gonna throw a young centre at the problem who is either too slow and/or cant catch and jusr arent NRL standard in this position.That applies to all our options ..we just dont have anyone who qualifies as NRL standard winger.We have a gap to fill
Id prefer the goalkicking kid from Broncos(Isyaake?)if he were available,nut he aint...
We missed out on Saab and JAC,and quite honestly have no chance of Creighton IMO...they wld need a truckload of $$ plus either a track record of success or a playing style that freed up the backline(as Im sure Barrett promises).Thats not us,but we can only work with what weve got

BTW,I thought Mansour was out of contract so anything we(or anyone else)pays for him is on us??

 

[pawsandclaws1]

At 200k after Penrith chip in us it bad value? Mansour has no chance of playing at Penrith because they have promised Staines a starting spot to keep him at the club. Mansour ***is likely*** a better winger today than AJ or Momo.


I think you summed up exactly why we shouldnt take Mansour. Mansour *might* be as good or a bit better than the young guys we have, so we would sacrifice the development of these young guys for either no or a small advantage. Meanwhile it chews up a roster spot which could be filled by someone that fills a hole we need filled (2nd row/Fullback)

I don’t think he should be guaranteed a spot. I think he probably earns a spot given our current squad but in the medium term (1-2 years) you need to develop low cost young capable options like most teams have to come in and take his spot. I guess I’m saying he is probably a better winger today than AJ so he earns a spot. If those players develop then by all means he can play CC.

Kepaoa has demonstrated more in his short NRL career than Mansour has for at least a year.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

At 200k after Penrith chip in us it bad value? Mansour has no chance of playing at Penrith because they have promised Staines a starting spot to keep him at the club. Mansour is likely a better winger today than AJ or Momo.

I don’t think Mansour would score tries like AJ.
Momo gives us goal kicking.
Jet could be our winger as well.
Talau could be on the wing also.

Mansour was found out with turn and chases, positional play and speed alot in season 20.

We just don’t have a pressing need to rush and grab Mansour so why do it?

 

[gallagher]

Ive gone the full 360 on Mansour and heres why
1)Our squad has no specialist wingers apart from Nofo-were comsistently trying to manufacture centres into wingers,so if AK doesnt kmake it youll see Talau of Momo...or Cini.Truth is theyre not fast enuff.Mansour wld be as quick as Nofo,better defender but not quite as good as tackle breaker.He cld be useful subject to fitmess
2)JAC aint coming..were dreaming..and theres nobody else worth chasing apart from Garret whom we shld have leveraged Aloi for..history
3)Theres a 50/50 chance Nofo (already overpaid at $450 given his defensive issues)will join Eeels...knowing we have few options,were at his mercy.A 2 yr Mansour contract is a lot like the Morris Bros plugging a gap
4)Our backs,despite reshuffled deckchairs,are the same ones that sstruggled to score in 2020 despite Benjis 22 try assists.Mansour provides some improvement
So all things considered...Mansour adds value for 2 years on any other option we may have

I have a differing opinion.
1) I dont believe it's 50/50 that Nofo is gone at all.
2) I understand the link between a stop gap 2 year contract 'just like the Morris boys' - but Mansour is not even close to that league, which makes any stop gap arrangement with Mansour questionable.
3) Penrith were very keen to move Mansour on. So much so that I understand they have been trying to do so for at least 12 months because his defence is very suspect and he just doesn't fit in. That's and insiders comment from the Panthers, not mine.

I actually like Mansour for his personality and what he might bring in that regard. As a player, his best days were 5 years ago. If I could get him at minimum wage with the promise that you might not play 1st grade all year barring injuries, I'd think about it. But he doesn't want to do that and he has publicly stated that.

I honestly think we would be better served paying Chris Lawrence (not as a player) the $100K to be the mature voice and trainer/coach/encourager of those outside backs.

I'd pass on Mansour, sorry.

I don’t think we can rely on class wingers getting us into the 8 (or 4). Surely having a pair of reliable wingers that allows us to invest more in the spine/backrow to create opportunities out wide is a more productive way to spend our cap. We have committed to Laurie (3yr deal from 22) so let’s just bring both to the club early and if Mansour gets out competed for the wing spot so be it but I got one don’t want to be waiting another year or two to get some success. **On a good deal (2 years with Penrith contributing) its extremely low risk**


Mansour only has a season left on his Penrith contract, so they will only be contibuting for 1 year.

I thought he had more left. In that case you give him 1 year and club option on the second. If the likes of AJ keep him out then great.

 

[Geo]

https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/12/16/all-of-david-nofoalumas-2020-tries/

What some of those TRIES were around or over 50m..

 

[BZN]

Bloke in the bar asked Nofa.. who else do you play golf with?” “Just Benji”“who else plays golf at the WT?” Nofa replied “I don’t know.” Does anyone else think that it is odd ? I mean why isn’t golf played by more of WT players?

I used to play Golf, now with rather latge youngish Family its increasingly difficult to get the daypass.

Plus, tended to play with non work mates to sort of get away from work.


Back to the OP. Benji Nofo combo was pretty goid when it came off but theres a few times they made me swear at the TV.

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[earl]

At 200k after Penrith chip in us it bad value? Mansour has no chance of playing at Penrith because they have promised Staines a starting spot to keep him at the club. Mansour ***is likely*** a better winger today than AJ or Momo.


I think you summed up exactly why we shouldnt take Mansour. Mansour *might* be as good or a bit better than the young guys we have, so we would sacrifice the development of these young guys for either no or a small advantage. Meanwhile it chews up a roster spot which could be filled by someone that fills a hole we need filled (2nd row/Fullback)

I don’t think he should be guaranteed a spot. I think he probably earns a spot given our current squad but in the medium term (1-2 years) you need to develop low cost young capable options like most teams have to come in and take his spot. I guess I’m saying he is probably a better winger today than AJ so he earns a spot. If those players develop then by all means he can play CC.

Kepaoa has demonstrated more in his short NRL career than Mansour has for at least a year.

This kid looks good. I don't understand why we need another winger. Sure we need a back-up but we have a fair number of outside backs now. BJ, Nofo, Talau, Momo, Roberts & Kepaoa can't all fit in. Why would we go for Mansour ?

Mansour would be a good option for a club who didn't have talent coming through but we have that talent. They are letting him go from Penrith because they prefer to trust their juniors.