David Nofoaluma #164

[BAGNF05]

Ch9 reported he is off contract and Souths are interested. It came across as an attempt to commence a bidding war similar to a real estate experience. We've read this play book before and it si time for WTs to move on and not be distracted by this tactic.

As long as moving on involves hitting the market hard for a quality winger for 2022 I’m fine with that.

 

[BAGNF05]

Maybe if we did that on both accounts, players like Teddy, JAC and Pap would still be here.

We could have kept JAC and Pap but we didn't make the right decisions. We offered Tedesco a fortune. We easily offered him as much as the Rorters did. He just wanted out because he is a piece of work.

Not one club made the right decision on Pap, JAC I'm a little more critical of our decision but he signed with Melbourne while we were still negotiating.

Interesting. I’d like to see a timeline on that one, was JAC signing the Storm contract mid phone call to Pascoe? Did he receive our offer by fax after he’d signed? Sounds like amateur hour to me.

 

[hobbo1]

Just goes to show winning a Dally M medal isn’t all what it’s cracked up to be ..
Brooks sucks
Nofoaluma sucks

Big shout out to the neg reppers ✌🏻

 

[cochise]

Maybe if we did that on both accounts, players like Teddy, JAC and Pap would still be here.

We could have kept JAC and Pap but we didn't make the right decisions. We offered Tedesco a fortune. We easily offered him as much as the Rorters did. He just wanted out because he is a piece of work.

Not one club made the right decision on Pap, JAC I'm a little more critical of our decision but he signed with Melbourne while we were still negotiating.

Interesting. I’d like to see a timeline on that one, was JAC signing the Storm contract mid phone call to Pascoe? Did he receive our offer by fax after he’d signed? Sounds like amateur hour to me.

He was asked to not sign anywhere else until Pascoe returned from leave and signed with Melbourne during that time. There are reports he had actually signed much earlier.

I think the club has to take some fault in the JAC situation but not the other 2.

 

[BAGNF05]

Maybe if we did that on both accounts, players like Teddy, JAC and Pap would still be here.

We could have kept JAC and Pap but we didn't make the right decisions. We offered Tedesco a fortune. We easily offered him as much as the Rorters did. He just wanted out because he is a piece of work.

Not one club made the right decision on Pap, JAC I'm a little more critical of our decision but he signed with Melbourne while we were still negotiating.

Interesting. I’d like to see a timeline on that one, was JAC signing the Storm contract mid phone call to Pascoe? Did he receive our offer by fax after he’d signed? Sounds like amateur hour to me.

He was asked to not sign anywhere else until Pascoe returned from leave and signed with Melbourne during that time. There are reports he had actually signed much earlier.

I think the club has to take some fault in the JAC situation but not the other 2.

Sounds like the Teddy scenario where realistically they both knew they had the talent to achieve premiership success in the short term. Matto thought the same after his Roosters success. The club has a massive job to change that.

 

[OzLuke]

I wouldn't pull the offer to Nofa....if he wants to wait until the very last minute to sign then so be it. There isn't much chop on the market as it is, and we won't force the club's hand with bully boy tactics either....
There is no market for him getting the big bucks he's chasing either and if he gets it somewhere else then good luck to him. if the club wanted to do him dirty wait until he wants to sign, withdraw the contract and then submit one with less money. Set's a precedent, good or bad depending on perspective, but it's a "you mess us around then we"ll reply in kind" type of deal.

 

[happy_tiger]

Just goes to show winning a Dally M medal isn’t all what it’s cracked up to be ..
Brooks sucks
Nofoaluma sucks

Big shout out to the neg reppers ✌🏻

Positionally yeah .....If we had a Dally M winner .....dream on

 

[Cairnstigers]

I wouldn't pull the offer to Nofa....if he wants to wait until the very last minute to sign then so be it. There isn't much chop on the market as it is, and we won't force the club's hand with bully boy tactics either....
There is no market for him getting the big bucks he's chasing either and if he gets it somewhere else then good luck to him. if the club wanted to do him dirty wait until he wants to sign, withdraw the contract and then submit one with less money. Set's a precedent, good or bad depending on perspective, but it's a "you mess us around then we"ll reply in kind" type of deal.

I would put offers to Crichton, Crichton , Staggs, Jarome Luai, B Smith , Coats and any other decent player off contract at the end of 2021

If they are an upgrade or in a position of need then why not

But 1st in 1st served
Take to long to make up your mind and you may miss out on our offer as we may have just spent it

We should spread our offers over a number of different managers / players and apply some pressure of our own

 

[OzLuke]

I wouldn't pull the offer to Nofa....if he wants to wait until the very last minute to sign then so be it. There isn't much chop on the market as it is, and we won't force the club's hand with bully boy tactics either....
There is no market for him getting the big bucks he's chasing either and if he gets it somewhere else then good luck to him. if the club wanted to do him dirty wait until he wants to sign, withdraw the contract and then submit one with less money. Set's a precedent, good or bad depending on perspective, but it's a "you mess us around then we"ll reply in kind" type of deal.

I would put offers to Crichton, Crichton , Staggs, Jarome Luai, B Smith , Coats and any other decent player off contract at the end of 2021

If they are an upgrade or in a position of need then why not

But 1st in 1st served
Take to long to make up your mind and you may miss out on our offer as we may have just spent it

We should spread our offers over a number of different managers / players and apply some pressure of our own

agreed....flood the market and cause a panic amongst all of them...great point Cairns

 

[Rusty]

I dunno by the time Nofoaluma signs it ill be pushing 800K as the telecrap and foxsports understands..

Just been offered $1.2m

Over 3 years

Before anyone takes it too far, my post was a joke lol

I realised that

Joke or not, I’d be surprised if Nofa stays at WT

Wests Tigers can’t make him stay if he doesn’t want to. If he goes, he goes. I’d be slightly disappointed in Nofa if he goes, not the club.

We shouldn’t be trying to make him stay. It’s the role of the club to make an appropriate offer and then have an alternative solution lined up should he walk, I’ll judge the club based on this. Too often we tend to fail twice.

Agree ... I think we have advised him what we have on the table and its a take it or leave it offer.. After all our offseason moves and not paying overs I trust the powers at the club to not overpay..

That’s step one HSV. So when he takes up a more lucrative deal do you trust the club to replace him with a like for like replacement? I don’t.

I do

Who you got in mind Cochise? And has he played more than 10 NRL games yet?

My faith is more in the job that is being done by the likes of Hartigan, I have faith that he will pull the right reins. We also have some players coming through in the next 12-18 months who may be able to make the step up, players like Kei will be pushing for 1st grade spots in 12 months time.

It’ll be interesting to see how it all plays out, if we’re still waiting for young guys to pull us out of the dumps in 18 months that’s probably curtains for Madge. Then what?!

Where did I say we will be doing that?

I asked who would fulfil Nofs role and you gave me Kei in 12-18 months, not sure everyone has your patience mate.

If Nofo doesn't re-sign we will have plenty of cap space, hopefully a better club culture, with just over a year to replace him. Why stress about it now?

You’re assuming he doesn’t agitate for an early release (we know about that) and our poor form in recruitment of star players suddenly changes, I’m not so confident on either front.

Again you're stressing over a hypothetical worst case scenario. In the unlikely event he does push for a release, I'd like to think we'd take the same path as we did with Aloiai and push for a favourable outcome.

No. I’m saying that at the moment it appears a very real possibility Noffa could leave the club. If we’re not out in the market at least looking at suitable replacements we’re failing as a club. Look at how the Storm are operating in recruiting and retaining talent, that’s how it’s done.

We don't need a replacement now.

Do you really think that the club doesn't have a plan b if he does leave? That they are just sitting there waiting for him to sign, these guys do this for a living, they know what they are doing.

Mate, it’s hard to have much faith. Like we replaced Teddy and Mitch Moses so well. The next Gareth Ellis is still on his way. It’s been plod central in the pack. Hartigan might be the next Don Bradman but he’s only just walked to the crease.

So lets give the guy a chance hey, all you do is criticize when the guy has made good moves so far and you have others on here saying he is good at what he does. At somepoint some positivity needs to come into it or what is the point of supporting.

I could give you 5-10 examples of positive feedback I have given, but on the Nofa thread I happen to have a strong opinion that we need to either sign him or a player that is of equal ability.

Not if he is being difficult we don't, if he is asking for too much then you have to let him go. You don't mess up your cap for a winger.

And I said that a few pages ago, but it’s my view that if you make a decision to move off him, you need to be out there chasing Xavier Coates or someone of that Ilk. And you may end up having to pay overs anyway.

Or you develop your own, but that's right we are incapable of that.

To my earlier point, you could but it’s not going to happen overnight, and likely not on madge’s watch. If we don’t make the eight in 2 yrs I doubt he’ll be retained.

For example Kei is 20, if we don't think he will be pushing for 1st grade in 12 months why did we sign him? Maybe that is why they aren't willing to overpay Noffa, maybe they believe we already have his replacement.

Sometimes you have to back yourself and your coaches and their ability to coach players up.

It’s my personal view that it takes players 2 seasons or 50 games to become proper first graders, unless you’re a rare gem like Folau/Inglis.

Probability tells me we need to replace Nofa with like for like.

Well lets go all in $600k sound alright?

We’ve covered this mate, I say 500 max 3 years, you say 400-450. Can Harry T do anything?

Harry T does plenty.


If he is leaving over $50k then I guess he isn't the club man we all hoped. It goes both ways mate. I don't know why we would be paying him anywhere close to what JAC got to move to the dogs.

I can also tell you he won't get $500k here, he plays one position, with no potential to play others and has defensive issues. If he wants $500k then he needs to move to another club. That is not an opinion it is a fact.

I really don't see the problem here. To me it's really simple - any player can leave. We lost Tedesco and we really haven't gone backwards. If anything I think we are looking better now. It's not missing out on players that is the problem or losing them. The problem is overpaying them. It creates a bad culture where everyone wants overs. It also means you can't build a team over the next 3-5 years because you can't upgrade juniors or pick up any talent that comes onto the marketplace.

Exactly, I could just imagine how the young guys feel during a game under the pump looking for someone to step up and lead. They look to their Captain Mybe nothing, they look over to their bench and again nothing, they see Madge wiping the saliva off the inside of the coach's box. Just below something catches their eye in the player's box and find 2 million dollars of salary cap McQueen, Packer and Reynolds joking around having fun with the fans not even watching the game.

Tamou I believe is that guy, he will lead by example and only costs half the wage of Packer but will deliver 10 times the effort. No team can be competitive with 2 million sitting on the sideline, we need these guys on the field leading, not in the grandstands. It's taken long enough but we are finally getting it, Madge needs leaders that will win games and stand tall under diversity and at the end of the day look themselves in the mirror and see a footy player, not an overinflated, well-paid ego.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Ch9 reported he is off contract and Souths are interested. It came across as an attempt to commence a bidding war similar to a real estate experience. We've read this play book before and it si time for WTs to move on and not be distracted by this tactic.

As long as moving on involves hitting the market hard for a quality winger for 2022 I’m fine with that.

He is still at WTs for another year which is sufficient time to bring through one of our young players. We have invested in youth and we need to use it.

 

[weststigerman]

Hopefully he doesn't leave, but it would be such a Tigers thing to happen to refuse a swap for JAC only to lose Nofa a year later and end up with neither.

 

[TheDaBoss]

Hopefully he doesn't leave, but it would be such a Tigers thing to happen to refuse a swap for JAC only to lose Nofa a year later and end up with neither.

Vunivalu gets homesick and finds out how crap rugby union is so thus he signs a 2 year deal with tigers

 

[earl]

Hopefully he doesn't leave, but it would be such a Tigers thing to happen to refuse a swap for JAC only to lose Nofa a year later and end up with neither.

Do we have proof that this happened and Nofo agreed to it ?

 

[weststigerman]

Hopefully he doesn't leave, but it would be such a Tigers thing to happen to refuse a swap for JAC only to lose Nofa a year later and end up with neither.

Do we have proof that this happened and Nofo agreed to it ?

Do we have proof that we never wanted Papenhuyzen and he slipped through the cracks while we thought we were re-signing Tedesco?

Doesn't matter if there is proof, that's the narrative in the media.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

If Nofo was really wanting to be a one club man this would not have lasted as long a this. I dont blame him with wanting best dollar for his last contract but in that case WT are entitled to say ''thank you but find it elsewhere, we withdraw our offer.'' How Ayoub can still be managing any player is beyond me.

What is to be gained from withdrawing the offer?
I don’t think Nofa will re-sign until the final bell, a week or two before the top 30 spot needs to be filled, unless of course he gets a better offer, which I doubt. No other club will show more love to him. As Buzz said Nofa and Lee have an extremely tight friendship. Ok, he’s probably hurting because Benji has gone and he’s wondering who will kick to him on the fourth, but I believe Brooksy will be that man!

Put a time limit of 1 further week on it or offer withdrawn. He has had plenty of time. Sick of player agents taking us for dummies and using us to up the ante with other clubs.



He is our player until the end of this coming season,why should he or anyone else be given an ultimatum to sign or the offer be withdrawn before the season has even started.That is definately not the way to promote team harmony.

Tend to agree but at some point in the season we will need to know let's just get through the off season in harmony.

As the offer stands he wants 4 years to stay and club has offered a 3 year deal, will need other clubs to agree to 4 years and unsure if clubs are willing to invest 4 years on a winger at his age now?

 

[TigerWest]

If Nofo was really wanting to be a one club man this would not have lasted as long a this. I dont blame him with wanting best dollar for his last contract but in that case WT are entitled to say ''thank you but find it elsewhere, we withdraw our offer.'' How Ayoub can still be managing any player is beyond me.

What is to be gained from withdrawing the offer?
I don’t think Nofa will re-sign until the final bell, a week or two before the top 30 spot needs to be filled, unless of course he gets a better offer, which I doubt. No other club will show more love to him. As Buzz said Nofa and Lee have an extremely tight friendship. Ok, he’s probably hurting because Benji has gone and he’s wondering who will kick to him on the fourth, but I believe Brooksy will be that man!

Put a time limit of 1 further week on it or offer withdrawn. He has had plenty of time. Sick of player agents taking us for dummies and using us to up the ante with other clubs.


I dont think there is any need to put a deadline on him signing, but I also think we should just push on with our planning/signings for 2022 and if a replacement is signed or all the money is gone, that too bad.

Is the club putting deadlines on him or posters in this forum?

Still, the club needs to plan, so it wouldn’t hurt to know what he is doing?

 

[LeichhardtTiger]

Vunivalu gets homesick and finds out how crap rugby union is so thus he signs a 2 year deal with tigers

The Big V says "I always have fond memories of Leichhardt Oval having scored a couple on debut. I want to be a Tiger for Life"

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

If Nofo wants $600k over 4 yrs no way would i even entertain that, $4-450 is his worth and thats the upper end. He's 27 so with one yr left on his current deal wants top level coin and at the end of his deal he will be 32. Penrith are moving heaven and earth to get rid of Mansour because hes a similar age and on decent money and they have better kids coming through.

Who knows how good some of our youngsters could be in 12-18 months time, it wasnt that long ago Nofo was in reggies, i say stick to our guns whatever the offer is which im sure would be more than fair if he goes he goes he's not an elite winger he's replaceable.

 

[cleanskin]

It's his last contract so he needs to get the money for retirement.
He will end up leaving. Thats business.
Some desperate club will offer more.