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I guess not unless you are the Sharks or the Roosters…both went form near bottom of the table to the pointy end within an off season in recent times..
I guess we have mediocrity ingrained after years an years of waiting..for 'next year'
Dt article how ivan cleaned up wt.
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I guess not unless you are the Sharks or the Roosters…both went form near bottom of the table to the pointy end within an off season in recent times..
I guess we have mediocrity ingrained after years an years of waiting..for 'next year'
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Both of those were special circumstances.
Sharks had the ASADA thing and lost half their squad and their coach.
Roosters had the whole Pearce dog thing and lost RTS and Minichello in the off-season. They also had some pretty big injuries.
We're going through yet another rebuild after the last failed one. In the article Cleary even says something to the effect of We need talent.
Tweed_Tiger
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It is good to see that it the coach has control of the team now and that player managers arnt running things and controlling our image in the media.
Nucky_Thompson
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Was able to find this one for dogs forum. Dog fan turning on reynolds big time. That was fast.
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Josh Reynolds opens up about what it is like to be coached by Ivan Cleary after Des Hasler
JOSH Reynolds has opened up about what it is like to be coached by the “relaxed” Ivan Cleary after his days with Des Hasler.
And while the Wests Tigers recruit clearly hasn’t forgiven Canterbury for their lack of “respect”, what is also obvious is that Reynolds doesn’t miss some of the mind games he left behind.
Asked what it was like to be coached by Cleary, Reynolds’ response was interesting.
“He just lets you do your thing which is good,” Reynolds said.
“He might have a word here and there.
“But from where I have come from, game day usually for me was the best day but before it was really hard.
“Now with Ivan I just feel a lot more relaxed. He lets you relax. As a player, I need to relax. You can think about the game but not constantly. He doesn’t hound you. He lets you be yourself.
CULTURE: How Cleary cleaned up Tigers
PREVIEW: Stability ahead with Dogs’ shuffle to pay off
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Josh Reynolds says he is more relaxed under coach Ivan Cleary.
“I have been here with Ivan for only four or five months but ever since the first meeting we had I just knew that he was a straight shooter. He won’t beat around the bush. He will tell you exactly what he thinks and I like that.
“Sometimes in life you get people or coaches or coaching staff who will tell you are going good for the wrong reasons.
“But Ivan will actually tell you what you need to work on, or if you are going good.
“He has been really good and I am sure our relationship as coach and player can just grow.”
Reynolds said it wasn’t that the Bulldogs didn’t offer him a deal to stay, it’s the way they went about it that still hurts.
“I won’t lie, they did offer me a contract,” Reynolds said.
“I won’t go too far into it but I felt I put a fair bit into that club.
“I am not the greatest player in the world.
“But it is not the money. It is just a bit of respect.
“Whoever made that decision, it was a bit of a kick in the guts. But that is just how it goes these days. Now I am looking ahead.
“I am being brutally honest. When it happened I was shattered.
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James Graham and Josh Reynolds greet the crowd after their last game for the Bulldogs.
“But I honestly can say that I have made the right decision.”
At 28, Reynolds has joined the Tigers on a four-year deal but feels he has plenty of “good years in me”.
“I really do,” he said.
“I feel like I know the game a lot better now. I am never going to lose what I have in the energy. But I just feel in a game sense I am learning a lot more from a guy like Benji and just people around the club.”
While the Tigers have an extremely tough start to the 2018 season, playing all the top four teams from last year including Melbourne twice in the opening five rounds, Reynolds did not offer up any excuses.
“I hate playing a victim,” he said.
“I really don’t like people who play the victim. I still talk to a couple of the Doggies’ boys, their start is tough.
“I was speaking to Luke Lewis last week, the Sharks have to go to Townsville.
“Is that an easy start?
“You can either go into round one and say if we win, maybe … stuff that.
“Let’s go in against all their gun players and who knows what’s going to happen.”
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Josh Reynolds opens up about what it is like to be coached by Ivan Cleary after Des Hasler
JOSH Reynolds has opened up about what it is like to be coached by the “relaxed” Ivan Cleary after his days with Des Hasler.
And while the Wests Tigers recruit clearly hasn’t forgiven Canterbury for their lack of “respect”, what is also obvious is that Reynolds doesn’t miss some of the mind games he left behind.
Asked what it was like to be coached by Cleary, Reynolds’ response was interesting.
“He just lets you do your thing which is good,” Reynolds said.
“He might have a word here and there.
“But from where I have come from, game day usually for me was the best day but before it was really hard.
“Now with Ivan I just feel a lot more relaxed. He lets you relax. As a player, I need to relax. You can think about the game but not constantly. He doesn’t hound you. He lets you be yourself.
CULTURE: How Cleary cleaned up Tigers
PREVIEW: Stability ahead with Dogs’ shuffle to pay off
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Josh Reynolds says he is more relaxed under coach Ivan Cleary.
“I have been here with Ivan for only four or five months but ever since the first meeting we had I just knew that he was a straight shooter. He won’t beat around the bush. He will tell you exactly what he thinks and I like that.
“Sometimes in life you get people or coaches or coaching staff who will tell you are going good for the wrong reasons.
“But Ivan will actually tell you what you need to work on, or if you are going good.
“He has been really good and I am sure our relationship as coach and player can just grow.”
Reynolds said it wasn’t that the Bulldogs didn’t offer him a deal to stay, it’s the way they went about it that still hurts.
“I won’t lie, they did offer me a contract,” Reynolds said.
“I won’t go too far into it but I felt I put a fair bit into that club.
“I am not the greatest player in the world.
“But it is not the money. It is just a bit of respect.
“Whoever made that decision, it was a bit of a kick in the guts. But that is just how it goes these days. Now I am looking ahead.
“I am being brutally honest. When it happened I was shattered.
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James Graham and Josh Reynolds greet the crowd after their last game for the Bulldogs.
“But I honestly can say that I have made the right decision.”
At 28, Reynolds has joined the Tigers on a four-year deal but feels he has plenty of “good years in me”.
“I really do,” he said.
“I feel like I know the game a lot better now. I am never going to lose what I have in the energy. But I just feel in a game sense I am learning a lot more from a guy like Benji and just people around the club.”
While the Tigers have an extremely tough start to the 2018 season, playing all the top four teams from last year including Melbourne twice in the opening five rounds, Reynolds did not offer up any excuses.
“I hate playing a victim,” he said.
“I really don’t like people who play the victim. I still talk to a couple of the Doggies’ boys, their start is tough.
“I was speaking to Luke Lewis last week, the Sharks have to go to Townsville.
“Is that an easy start?
“You can either go into round one and say if we win, maybe … stuff that.
“Let’s go in against all their gun players and who knows what’s going to happen.”
GNR4LIFE
Well-known member
Player x arrives at new club and praises new coach.
Nothing to see here.
Nothing to see here.
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Oh OK….. sounds like excuses to me but don't worry she'll be right in a couple of years said someone in 2006..
happy_tiger
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Packer or Matulino it wouldn't worry me either way , but we need experience coming off the bench at those crucial stages in those first six games
hAnd I'd start with Grant over Twal , Having Twal and Matulino/Packer coming off the bench will help with our go forward and enthusiasm
Spud_Murphy
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I don't know about anyone else, but I always see players rush in from everywhere with congratulatory high fives and back slapping every time one of their own forces a turnover in a tackle - it's nothing new, even the supposedly fractured Wests Tigers team did it last season.
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I'm with you. I kinda see the top 16 as 4 groups.
Bottom 4 (where we were)
Lower 9-12 (what I expect this year).
Outer 5-8 (what I am hoping for).
Top 4 side (where I want us to be in 2-3 years).
We have 1 superstar who is a little old in Marshall. We will not be a top 4 side. I don't mean to niggle us, but we are just not up to the STORM or Cronulla level yet (somehow we beat the Cows, go figure), were just not there.
However we do have a good team with reasonably strong forwards. They should push us past the bottom 4, maybe past the bottom 8 if Brooks and Tui really shine. A top 4 side is going to take 3 seasons… I am optimistic though were building a strong side.
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I think he'll be our best prop but I would start with him on the bench. It has nothing to do with him being "behind" Twal, it's just where I think he'd work best. If anything those minutes either side of half time are even more important than the opening for this team given the capitulations we tend to have then.
Balmainian
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I agree to an extent, I think if we are a united group all year and touch wood have an injury free season then we may just crack into the eight, We missed out by one game 2 years ago with all the bull$#@t with Taylor and Farah going on, I definitley beleive we a strong chance of finals this year.
cqtiger
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What’s this rebuild crap?
For many seasons now we have lost more talent than we’ve brought in.
Didn’t Marina Go say 3 years ago that our salary cap dramas wouldn’t be fixed until 2018?
You can’t rebuild if there’s no cap money to bring in decent players.
This year, as I see it, is the start of a ‘normal’ season where we have a reasonable SQUAD and a well qualified coach. If coach Cleary is re-signed in 3 years then the crap we have deservedly copped from the media over the years is done and dusted.
For many seasons now we have lost more talent than we’ve brought in.
Didn’t Marina Go say 3 years ago that our salary cap dramas wouldn’t be fixed until 2018?
You can’t rebuild if there’s no cap money to bring in decent players.
This year, as I see it, is the start of a ‘normal’ season where we have a reasonable SQUAD and a well qualified coach. If coach Cleary is re-signed in 3 years then the crap we have deservedly copped from the media over the years is done and dusted.
GNR4LIFE
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I don’t get it either. What are we rebuilding this year? It’s the first year in about 5 years we are operating with an evenly spread cap. We could definitely benefit from one or two marquee players, but so could a lot of clubs. This is not a rebuilding year.
Balmainian
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6 days till kick off yeeeew!!!
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How many of our "big 17" were playing with us last year.
No matter what you think of who we signed. They are all pretty much a new team. Only a halfback a second rower and a few forwards remain the same. Our defensive combinations are going to take time, people need to trust and need to know when to trust and when to assist who is left and right of them. That won't happen for 3-6 months. Even then we will have to get our attack combinations worked out, see if people are making mistakes in areas and working on the little things.
2019 will be the year something might happen with the tigers. 2018 is 100% a rebuild year. We (mostly rightly) redid our team as a clean slate. No way we will be a top 4 team this year.
GNR4LIFE
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So this year is already a write off? Great. Getting tired of this only 1 year away crap.
Balmainian
Well-known member
Have faith fella's!!!!
Weve got Ivan the best coach there is besides probably Bellamy(although without Smith,Cronk and Slater i wonder how much of a coach he'd be).
We have a punishing front row
Solid and gritty backrowers these days-No Lovetts or Edwards type fillers.
We have 5 Individual Halves all with a complete different stamp on their games.
Our outside backs could be a little stronger but with Noff, MIlne and Fonua certainly not a weak bunch.
Full back is the only ? for me. But i have faith in Thommo i think he'll be valued a little more amongst our fans in the coming weeks.
5 days till kick off!
lets get behind em.
Weve got Ivan the best coach there is besides probably Bellamy(although without Smith,Cronk and Slater i wonder how much of a coach he'd be).
We have a punishing front row
Solid and gritty backrowers these days-No Lovetts or Edwards type fillers.
We have 5 Individual Halves all with a complete different stamp on their games.
Our outside backs could be a little stronger but with Noff, MIlne and Fonua certainly not a weak bunch.
Full back is the only ? for me. But i have faith in Thommo i think he'll be valued a little more amongst our fans in the coming weeks.
5 days till kick off!
lets get behind em.
Strider
Well-known member
For those that say it will take months to work out defensive structures etc and wait till 2019, I say that's a joke. Been rebuilding for years. No excuses.!
