Electric Vehicles (EVs)

[Tim Sheens]

Just imagine how much further ahead we would and could be if we had decent government policies. Ridiculous that states have to try to move forward with a federal anchor holding them back.

With the current states' appetite for unlimited power, and borders closing on a whim, I would not hold my breath:anguished:

Well at least we will be able to drive an electric vehicle between them when open due to their efforts, whilst we look back to the federal rhetoric on having to choose between health and the economy, seeing clearly that states prioritising health made for a better economy.

Prioritising renewables will do similarly for the economic future of the country, or we can allow the likes of Matt Canavan and Angus Taylor to continue feathering their family's nests, with cover from Sussan Ley at our children's expense.

 

[Tim Sheens]

With the NSW government about to drop Stamp Duty on EVs and implementing chargers across the state this is looking more and more attractive. NRMA already are building chargers. Tesla Model 3 anyone?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/20/nsw-waives-stamp-duty-on-evs-and-spends-171m-on-chargers-throughout-the-state?fbclid=IwAR2Djtw9Lo-AApdXXiHT9d4uAuntxJW0dNJ8eli8ZFZ4XW-dvjPEFhLHREk

It’s not great getting old but I’m kinda glad I’m coming to the end of my working life in the motor industry. I have enough sleepless nights now!

I was thinking about the mechanics. Basically you can see their days are numbered. EVs are mechanically a much simpler design and require little maintenance apart from brakes and tyres.

Sparkies might get busier though. Depends if the motors are cheap enough to replace or worth fixing if they get damaged.

If you've got kids and they want an apprenticeship, tell them to become a builder, a sparky, a plumber or a fridgie. They are the only future proofed trades I reckon.

Painter

Yeah true painters are another, wouldn't surprise me if they folded that into a builder's trade but.

No way ...builders are butchers

We’re the craftsmen of the building trade ..

Indeed you are.

I love giving carpenters shit ?

“Don’t worry I’ll make your work look great”

No more gaps .. carpenter in a tube
Builders bog .. builder in a can

I said to a tiler the other month ..
“Do your best ..grout the rest” ?

Hahahahaha, too true for most tradies these days.

There are still the odd skilled one's out there though, with my carpentry and joinery apprentices lucky to have worked on site from formwork to frieze and everything in between, including staircases. I often used to send them with the trades I had on site for a few hours to get some knowledge and a better appreciation, even to the point of once doing our own tessellated verandah when we couldn't wait for a quality tiler.

 

[hobbo1]

With the NSW government about to drop Stamp Duty on EVs and implementing chargers across the state this is looking more and more attractive. NRMA already are building chargers. Tesla Model 3 anyone?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/20/nsw-waives-stamp-duty-on-evs-and-spends-171m-on-chargers-throughout-the-state?fbclid=IwAR2Djtw9Lo-AApdXXiHT9d4uAuntxJW0dNJ8eli8ZFZ4XW-dvjPEFhLHREk

It’s not great getting old but I’m kinda glad I’m coming to the end of my working life in the motor industry. I have enough sleepless nights now!

I was thinking about the mechanics. Basically you can see their days are numbered. EVs are mechanically a much simpler design and require little maintenance apart from brakes and tyres.

Sparkies might get busier though. Depends if the motors are cheap enough to replace or worth fixing if they get damaged.

If you've got kids and they want an apprenticeship, tell them to become a builder, a sparky, a plumber or a fridgie. They are the only future proofed trades I reckon.

Painter

Yeah true painters are another, wouldn't surprise me if they folded that into a builder's trade but.

No way ...builders are butchers

We’re the craftsmen of the building trade ..

Indeed you are.

I love giving carpenters shit ?

“Don’t worry I’ll make your work look great”

No more gaps .. carpenter in a tube
Builders bog .. builder in a can

I said to a tiler the other month ..
“Do your best ..grout the rest” ?

Hahahahaha, too true for most tradies these days.

There are still the odd skilled one's out there though, with my carpentry and joinery apprentices lucky to have worked on site from formwork to frieze and everything in between, including staircases. I often used to send them with the trades I had on site for a few hours to get some knowledge and a better appreciation, even to the point of once doing our own tessellated verandah when we couldn't wait for a quality tiler.

It’s a great idea to spend time with other trades in the same industry..
Especially the trades that precede yours ..
I should be a qualified plasterer as well with the amount of time I’ve spent doing it .

I feel sorry for the carpenters with the quality of timber that’s available these days ...it’s shit ..I wouldn’t build a dog kennel out of it let alone a house ?

 

[Spartan117]

This is a timely thread, Appreciate the knowledge sharing.

Im actually in the market for a new 7 seater and TBH u got me thinking.

At the Moment the New Jeep Grand Cherokee L is sitting atop of the Mrs' List.

 

[Tim Sheens]

EVs are still powered by fossil fuels and their batteries need materials probably being mined by African child slaves. The only people you're helping buy buying them is the politicians who invested in them years ago

Far from it, the EV/battery revolution will be a bonanza for the Australian mining industry. Australia is blessed with nickel, cobalt, lithium, manganese, copper, rare earths etc.

Just down the road from my house is one of the largest cobalt and nickel deposits in the world. Mining it will create thousands of jobs, in an area that for many years was crippled by drought.

Don't fall for the spin merchants who carry on as if the Australian mining industry equals only *coal* mining.

Such opportunity, with the need to value add onshore critical in that job creation. Else we will remain a continent pocked by mines and their wasted opportunities .

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

With the NSW government about to drop Stamp Duty on EVs and implementing chargers across the state this is looking more and more attractive. NRMA already are building chargers. Tesla Model 3 anyone?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/20/nsw-waives-stamp-duty-on-evs-and-spends-171m-on-chargers-throughout-the-state?fbclid=IwAR2Djtw9Lo-AApdXXiHT9d4uAuntxJW0dNJ8eli8ZFZ4XW-dvjPEFhLHREk

It’s not great getting old but I’m kinda glad I’m coming to the end of my working life in the motor industry. I have enough sleepless nights now!

I was thinking about the mechanics. Basically you can see their days are numbered. EVs are mechanically a much simpler design and require little maintenance apart from brakes and tyres.

Sparkies might get busier though. Depends if the motors are cheap enough to replace or worth fixing if they get damaged.

If you've got kids and they want an apprenticeship, tell them to become a builder, a sparky, a plumber or a fridgie. They are the only future proofed trades I reckon.

Painter

Yeah true painters are another, wouldn't surprise me if they folded that into a builder's trade but.

No way ...builders are butchers

We’re the craftsmen of the building trade ..

Indeed you are.

I love giving carpenters shit ?

“Don’t worry I’ll make your work look great”

No more gaps .. carpenter in a tube
Builders bog .. builder in a can

I said to a tiler the other month ..
“Do your best ..grout the rest” ?

Hahahahaha, too true for most tradies these days.

There are still the odd skilled one's out there though, with my carpentry and joinery apprentices lucky to have worked on site from formwork to frieze and everything in between, including staircases. I often used to send them with the trades I had on site for a few hours to get some knowledge and a better appreciation, even to the point of once doing our own tessellated verandah when we couldn't wait for a quality tiler.

It’s a great idea to spend time with other trades in the same industry..
Especially the trades that precede yours ..
I should be a qualified plasterer as well with the amount of time I’ve spent doing it .

I feel sorry for the carpenters with the quality of timber that’s available these days ...it’s shit ..I wouldn’t build a dog kennel out of it let alone a house ?

Yeah I spent time doing A/C for a while during my apprenticeship (it's obviously part of the trade but it's not unusual to get into either A/C or Refrigeration and never branch out and do the other,) and after my time in A/C it was then that I understood the fridge mechanics motto: sausages don't complain.

 

[hobbo1]

Speaking of fridges ..It’s been that cold up here I was thinking of taking the fridge door completely off ..just wasting power 😂

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Electric baffles me somewhat, im a novice in the tech.

I hear stories where the batteries fail and the costs are exorbitant to replace or the vehicle is rendered worthless.

How much does the elec charge cost and how long does it take?

They claim for Rimac Nevera, max charging 2 hours and typical 1 hour, if I remember correctly, 1 h was when charged from more powerful power source.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Speaking of fridges ..It’s been that cold up here I was thinking of taking the fridge door completely off ..just wasting power 😂

Turn it off and wheel it outside.

 

[TillLindemann]

EVs are still powered by fossil fuels and their batteries need materials probably being mined by African child slaves. The only people you're helping buy buying them is the politicians who invested in them years ago

Far from it, the EV/battery revolution will be a bonanza for the Australian mining industry. Australia is blessed with nickel, cobalt, lithium, manganese, copper, rare earths etc.

Just down the road from my house is one of the largest cobalt and nickel deposits in the world. Mining it will create thousands of jobs, in an area that for many years was crippled by drought.

Don't fall for the spin merchants who carry on as if the Australian mining industry equals only *coal* mining.

Such opportunity, with the need to value add onshore critical in that job creation. Else we will remain a continent pocked by mines and their wasted opportunities .

Good point, and there are lots of opportunities for value adding here, in areas like not just digging up battery metals, but manufacturing the batteries here. On a related point, even someone like Twiggy Forrest is now putting money into harnessing cheap renewables in Australia to make 'green steel' here locally, rather than just digging up iron ore and shipping it to China for them to make steel.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Electric, self-driving cars, will car ownership disappear?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY_-TEBqkHU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMt4zEEHxv4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk0qzb9Z8hg

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Electric, self-driving cars, will car ownership disappear?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY_-TEBqkHU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMt4zEEHxv4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk0qzb9Z8hg

It wouldn't be a bad thing.

 

[mike]

Electric, self-driving cars, will car ownership disappear?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY_-TEBqkHU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMt4zEEHxv4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk0qzb9Z8hg

Ultimately probably both.

 

[mike]

EVs are still powered by fossil fuels and their batteries need materials probably being mined by African child slaves. The only people you're helping buy buying them is the politicians who invested in them years ago

Far from it, the EV/battery revolution will be a bonanza for the Australian mining industry. Australia is blessed with nickel, cobalt, lithium, manganese, copper, rare earths etc.

Just down the road from my house is one of the largest cobalt and nickel deposits in the world. Mining it will create thousands of jobs, in an area that for many years was crippled by drought.

Don't fall for the spin merchants who carry on as if the Australian mining industry equals only *coal* mining.

Such opportunity, with the need to value add onshore critical in that job creation. Else we will remain a continent pocked by mines and their wasted opportunities .

Good point, and there are lots of opportunities for value adding here, in areas like not just digging up battery metals, but manufacturing the batteries here. On a related point, even someone like Twiggy Forrest is now putting money into harnessing cheap renewables in Australia to make 'green steel' here locally, rather than just digging up iron ore and shipping it to China for them to make steel.

Tesla already buys about $1B worth of raw materials from Australia annually for batteries. It would be great if we actually turned that into battery production. Not holding my breath though as successive Govts are brain dead when it comes to value add. They are happy to just dig stuff up and sell it.

 

[Thebird]

I wrote only one thing since joining the forum then vanished. New job, broken heart in recent weeks etc etc.

So I happen to own to a Tesla model 3 long range. I sold my S1000R BMW and put a deposit on one of these to try and support an Australian start up as well.

Savic

I also own a Passat R36 which is one of the best sounding cars I’ve ever heard out of a factory and I had a VY, VZ and VE V8

A couple of points.


I’ve seen a lot of people talk about missing the noise but you don’t miss it when you’re in the car, but I enjoy it when in another car if that makes sense. I over rev the Passat when I’m in it for that reason.

Beating my friends Porsche in a drag was a pretty nice feeling. Smashing Mustangs is even better. My 3rd slowest on the market Tesla will beat the last HSV ever made to 100.

It’s 1.5 years old now, its not been serviced and likely won’t be a for another 1.5 years, it has 30,000 k’s, even the tyres are lasting longer which I assume is because of the independent motors rather than normal AWD.

You don’t hear about the handling, but if feels very 3 series BMW, all that weight even distributed thanks to the motors and huge battery goes a long way.

Due to regen braking I will usually drive to and from work never touching the brake pedal. My brakes last check had only 10% wear and again 30,000 k’s on the clock.

I can drive from Canberra to Sydney on a single charge and can often find hotels with a plug. If I can’t find one 30 minutes at a super charger in Sydney or Canberra will do the trick.

Stop at Mittagong to and from Canberra there and I can basically travel for free thanks to the free NRMA charger. As these grow the cost of ownership gets lower.

Negatives

If you don’t have 3 phase power or somewhere to store the car its a mute point. You can’t keep it on a street and living off super chargers, it would just be too inconvenient. Solar panels go a long way to subsidising the cost.

The range claim is opposite to petrol, lower speed, lots of re gen = more k’s. Highway driving means less range so realistically 350 k’s versus the 620 claimed. Does not help I fall it way more than I need to.

Finding chargers on the road can be a pain, as a city car its amazing, really big trips take a lot of planning and if the charger is broken which happens you are in trouble.

 

[BZN]

I wrote only one thing since joining the forum then vanished. New job, broken heart in recent weeks etc etc.

So I happen to own to a Tesla model 3 long range. I sold my S1000R BMW and put a deposit on one of these to try and support an Australian start up as well.

Savic

I also own a Passat R36 which is one of the best sounding cars I’ve ever heard out of a factory and I had a VY, VZ and VE V8

A couple of points.


I’ve seen a lot of people talk about missing the noise but you don’t miss it when you’re in the car, but I enjoy it when in another car if that makes sense. I over rev the Passat when I’m in it for that reason.

Beating my friends Porsche in a drag was a pretty nice feeling. Smashing Mustangs is even better. My 3rd slowest on the market Tesla will beat the last HSV ever made to 100.

It’s 1.5 years old now, its not been serviced and likely won’t be a for another 1.5 years, it has 30,000 k’s, even the tyres are lasting longer which I assume is because of the independent motors rather than normal AWD.

You don’t hear about the handling, but if feels very 3 series BMW, all that weight even distributed thanks to the motors and huge battery goes a long way.

Due to regen braking I will usually drive to and from work never touching the brake pedal. My brakes last check had only 10% wear and again 30,000 k’s on the clock.

I can drive from Canberra to Sydney on a single charge and can often find hotels with a plug. If I can’t find one 30 minutes at a super charger in Sydney or Canberra will do the trick.

Stop at Mittagong to and from Canberra there and I can basically travel for free thanks to the free NRMA charger. As these grow the cost of ownership gets lower.

Negatives

If you don’t have 3 phase power or somewhere to store the car its a mute point. You can’t keep it on a street and living off super chargers, it would just be too inconvenient. Solar panels go a long way to subsidising the cost.

The range claim is opposite to petrol, lower speed, lots of re gen = more k’s. Highway driving means less range so realistically 350 k’s versus the 620 claimed. Does not help I fall it way more than I need to.

Finding chargers on the road can be a pain, as a city car its amazing, really big trips take a lot of planning and if the charger is broken which happens you are in trouble.

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I hope you keep contributing :hand_with_index_and_middle_fingers_crossed: :slightly_smiling_face:

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I wrote only one thing since joining the forum then vanished. New job, broken heart in recent weeks etc etc.

So I happen to own to a Tesla model 3 long range. I sold my S1000R BMW and put a deposit on one of these to try and support an Australian start up as well.

Savic

I also own a Passat R36 which is one of the best sounding cars I’ve ever heard out of a factory and I had a VY, VZ and VE V8

A couple of points.


I’ve seen a lot of people talk about missing the noise but you don’t miss it when you’re in the car, but I enjoy it when in another car if that makes sense. I over rev the Passat when I’m in it for that reason.

Beating my friends Porsche in a drag was a pretty nice feeling. Smashing Mustangs is even better. My 3rd slowest on the market Tesla will beat the last HSV ever made to 100.

It’s 1.5 years old now, its not been serviced and likely won’t be a for another 1.5 years, it has 30,000 k’s, even the tyres are lasting longer which I assume is because of the independent motors rather than normal AWD.

You don’t hear about the handling, but if feels very 3 series BMW, all that weight even distributed thanks to the motors and huge battery goes a long way.

Due to regen braking I will usually drive to and from work never touching the brake pedal. My brakes last check had only 10% wear and again 30,000 k’s on the clock.

I can drive from Canberra to Sydney on a single charge and can often find hotels with a plug. If I can’t find one 30 minutes at a super charger in Sydney or Canberra will do the trick.

Stop at Mittagong to and from Canberra there and I can basically travel for free thanks to the free NRMA charger. As these grow the cost of ownership gets lower.

Negatives

If you don’t have 3 phase power or somewhere to store the car its a mute point. You can’t keep it on a street and living off super chargers, it would just be too inconvenient. Solar panels go a long way to subsidising the cost.

The range claim is opposite to petrol, lower speed, lots of re gen = more k’s. Highway driving means less range so realistically 350 k’s versus the 620 claimed. Does not help I fall it way more than I need to.

Finding chargers on the road can be a pain, as a city car its amazing, really big trips take a lot of planning and if the charger is broken which happens you are in trouble.

Were you using the power saving settings on the highway? Climate control? Charging your phone?

 

[happy_tiger]

Electric baffles me somewhat, im a novice in the tech.

I hear stories where the batteries fail and the costs are exorbitant to replace or the vehicle is rendered worthless.

How much does the elec charge cost and how long does it take?

For me to completely fill my current Toyota Aurion on e10 it costs between $80-$90. For city driving this will get me around 400-450km, depending on traffic. To fully charge a Tesla Model 3 Long Range at my current electricity rates would cost between $5-$6 with about a 500km range.

You're paying 7c a kWh?.

Close to it.

Are you Woolworths?

Jokes aside, is that taking into account solar rebates or something?

I forgot I’m not the average electricity consumer. That’s why I redid the calculations at $0.20 per KWh.

Yeah cool I just saw that, $15 for a 75kWh charge is still five fold cheaper than the $70 plus a week it costs to fill a 55 litre car.

I have a company fuel card but I estimated that my fuel spend would be somewhere in the league of $4,500 to $5K annually.

Comparatively, the electricity spend on a Model 3 which has a similar "fuel range" would be $800-$1000 based on $0.2/kWh, for me it would literally be free.

With very low maintenance as well. No oil changes or spark plugs etc. Just tyres, brakes and cabin filter.

No more rip off mechanical bills

LOL Reality isn't a friend of yours

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Electric baffles me somewhat, im a novice in the tech.

I hear stories where the batteries fail and the costs are exorbitant to replace or the vehicle is rendered worthless.

How much does the elec charge cost and how long does it take?

For me to completely fill my current Toyota Aurion on e10 it costs between $80-$90. For city driving this will get me around 400-450km, depending on traffic. To fully charge a Tesla Model 3 Long Range at my current electricity rates would cost between $5-$6 with about a 500km range.

You're paying 7c a kWh?.

Close to it.

Are you Woolworths?

Jokes aside, is that taking into account solar rebates or something?

I forgot I’m not the average electricity consumer. That’s why I redid the calculations at $0.20 per KWh.

Yeah cool I just saw that, $15 for a 75kWh charge is still five fold cheaper than the $70 plus a week it costs to fill a 55 litre car.

I have a company fuel card but I estimated that my fuel spend would be somewhere in the league of $4,500 to $5K annually.

Comparatively, the electricity spend on a Model 3 which has a similar "fuel range" would be $800-$1000 based on $0.2/kWh, for me it would literally be free.

With very low maintenance as well. No oil changes or spark plugs etc. Just tyres, brakes and cabin filter.

No more rip off mechanical bills

LOL Reality isn't a friend of yours

Servicing would be a lot more streamlined and cheaper as a result though Hap. No oil/coolant to check, brakes would last much longer due to potential braking. No oil filter change , spark plug replacement, no throttle body cleaning/replacement, gaskets, timing chain.

On a reasonably new car it would probably be a quick continuity check of the motor, check the batteries, replace the cabin filter and off you go.

 

[happy_tiger]

Electric baffles me somewhat, im a novice in the tech.

I hear stories where the batteries fail and the costs are exorbitant to replace or the vehicle is rendered worthless.

How much does the elec charge cost and how long does it take?

For me to completely fill my current Toyota Aurion on e10 it costs between $80-$90. For city driving this will get me around 400-450km, depending on traffic. To fully charge a Tesla Model 3 Long Range at my current electricity rates would cost between $5-$6 with about a 500km range.

You're paying 7c a kWh?.

Close to it.

Are you Woolworths?

Jokes aside, is that taking into account solar rebates or something?

I forgot I’m not the average electricity consumer. That’s why I redid the calculations at $0.20 per KWh.

Yeah cool I just saw that, $15 for a 75kWh charge is still five fold cheaper than the $70 plus a week it costs to fill a 55 litre car.

I have a company fuel card but I estimated that my fuel spend would be somewhere in the league of $4,500 to $5K annually.

Comparatively, the electricity spend on a Model 3 which has a similar "fuel range" would be $800-$1000 based on $0.2/kWh, for me it would literally be free.

With very low maintenance as well. No oil changes or spark plugs etc. Just tyres, brakes and cabin filter.

No more rip off mechanical bills

LOL Reality isn't a friend of yours

Servicing would be a lot more streamlined and cheaper as a result though Hap. No oil/coolant to check, brakes would last much longer due to potential braking. No oil filter change , spark plug replacement, no throttle body cleaning/replacement, gaskets, timing chain.

On a reasonably new car it would probably be a quick continuity check of the motor, check the batteries, replace the cabin filter and off you go.

Totally agree ...it should be way cheaper ...but whether it will .....we actually take our cars to Mycar now .....tyres ...everything ...they always seem very good