Hip Drop Tackle and Penalty Try

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dthummler

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ARTICLE 18. Hip-drop tackles
"grabs the runner with both hands or wraps the runner with both arms; and. unweights himself by swiveling and dropping his hips and/or lower body, landing on and trapping the runner's leg(s) at or below the knee."

"Penalty try (d) the Referee may award a penalty try if, in their opinion, a try would have been scored but for the unfair play of the defending team. A penalty try is awarded between the goal posts irrespective of where the offence occurred."
I was at today's game and it was ruined by two refereeing decisons:

1. The Hip Drop Tackle Incident. A penalty was awarded and a player put on report - later exonerated. His leg didn't touch, let alone land on, Tuilagi's legs . In the next set, Parra scored by .... the very same player involved and apparently badly injured in the hip drop tackle! Tigers don't see the ball for 11 minutes and three tries are scored. Incidentally, Tuilagi faces three weeks suspension for a tackle that was not penalised and not even seen by three on field officials.

2. The Penalty Try Incident. Luke is going to score but is bundled into touch by an illegal tackle. Would he have scored but for the foul play? The answer is obvious.

The Tigers didn't play well just before and after half time. However, it is pretty hard to win a game when critical incidents seen live by three on field officials and analysed in The Bunker aided by a variety of angles by another official, go against the team. Amazingly, Samuela was not charged by the Judiciary seeing the same video replays as The Bunker. Luke Laulilii would have scored except for the illegal tackle of Mitchell Moses.
I have watched Rugby League for 75 years and I just can't understand how refereeing errors are made with all of today's technology. I may be biased but in recent years the Wests Tigers seem to get dudded time and time again.
 
They also got a pretty weird sin-binning?

I agree some calls were bad, but we had every opportunity to overcome the bad calls against us... especially the hip drop. That doesn't excuse 3 tries...
 
At the very least it should have been 10 in bin for Tuilagi hit. May too tough for own good and should have stayed down.

Tuilagi hip drop was rediculous. He then goes on to score the set after.

Should have been 10 in bin for Moses hit - can see how penalty try wasn’t given.

I was at the game and parra were constantly offside, slowing down play the ball on their line and we weren’t getting six agains.

The game is all about momentum. Those poor decisions gave parra momentum at key times. Could we have still won if we played better? Yes, but I think we wood have won of 2 of those 3 calls go out way.
 
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dthummler said:
ARTICLE 18. Hip-drop tackles
"grabs the runner with both hands or wraps the runner with both arms; and. unweights himself by swiveling and dropping his hips and/or lower body, landing on and trapping the runner's leg(s) at or below the knee."

"Penalty try (d) the Referee may award a penalty try if, in their opinion, a try would have been scored but for the unfair play of the defending team. A penalty try is awarded between the goal posts irrespective of where the offence occurred."
I was at today's game and it was ruined by two refereeing decisons:

1. The Hip Drop Tackle Incident. A penalty was awarded and a player put on report - later exonerated. His leg didn't touch, let alone land on, Tuilagi's legs . In the next set, Parra scored by .... the very same player involved and apparently badly injured in the hip drop tackle! Tigers don't see the ball for 11 minutes and three tries are scored. Incidentally, Tuilagi faces three weeks suspension for a tackle that was not penalised and not even seen by three on field officials.

2. The Penalty Try Incident. Luke is going to score but is bundled into touch by an illegal tackle. Would he have scored but for the foul play? The answer is obvious.

The Tigers didn't play well just before and after half time. However, it is pretty hard to win a game when critical incidents seen live by three on field officials and analysed in The Bunker aided by a variety of angles by another official, go against the team. Amazingly, Samuela was not charged by the Judiciary seeing the same video replays as The Bunker. Luke Laulilii would have scored except for the illegal tackle of Mitchell Moses.
I have watched Rugby League for 75 years and I just can't understand how refereeing errors are made with all of today's technology. I may be biased but in recent years the Wests Tigers seem to get dudded time and time again.
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Mate, I know we can get passionate about dodgy refereeing decisions and some people would say we are robbed almost every week.

It is true that we may also be biased at times, some people are that way all the time, but for the most part I try really hard to see both sides of the equation as much as I can, but you are spot on and entitled to be incensed about those 2 decisions in particular, just as I was and I am not suggesting for one moment that there were not others.

I just cannot understand how this team, despite the inclusion of some very good players and the passion that they have brought still sees this team failing to stand up and make a statement when it is really needed.

It just seems that it is rare for us to consistently have the bounce of the ball come our way and when it fails to do so we just don't have the resilience to over come it.

I guess it doesn't help that we go into a game with what appears to be the lack of an obvious game plan, part of which would have been to run at Moses all day and put pressure on him to limit his space and the time he had to kick the ball, instead he is allowed to do as he pleases.

Just another must win game that we failed to grab by the throat and I, like many others on here saw it coming and really cannot say that we are surprised by the outcome.
 
Two things they look at when it comes to these decisions - who is the player involved and who is the team. When you are a team well down the table, most of these decisions will never go in your way. And they know the Tigers wont question it or react after the game so it is soon forgotten.
 
I'm more concerned how we react to poor decisions then the decisions themselves. The refs made lots of errors, some very obvious ones. They only become telling errors if we fail to respond to them.
The hip drop tackle being the main example. Do I think it was a penalty? No, after replays I did not, though on first sight I did. But teams give away penalties (often unjustly) every game. They don't typically then defend so poorly over the next 10 minutes they concede 3 tries and don't touch the ball. It was the defence after the poor penalty that lost it for us, not the penalty itself. Particularly as it was straight after half-time and a dozen replays. Fatigue at the time should not be an excuse as it often is when one team builds so much momentum.

I don't have a hard stance on the Moses tackle. It was sort of borderline in that any outcome could be reasoned accurate. I don't really think it was bin worthy but to be consistent with what the NRL has told us should be a sin bin the last couple weeks it probably deserved to be in the bin.
I also think it was the momentum of the tackle that put him into touch, not the fact the tackle was high. I see a valid argument for penalty try and a valid argument against it.
There were two genuinely 50-50 decisions to be made in that tackle, bin/no bin and try/no try. The fact both went against us makes it seem tough although both decisions in isolation aren't outrageous.

Also why I don't like refs faulting. I thought some of the decisions against eels were also very debatable. In my opinion Iongi didn't deserve to be in the bin. Bad calls shifted momentum both ways, both yesterday and in every NRL game. The better team is usually the one who overcomes these decisions and wrestle momentum back. We did not do this.
 
The Hip drop was a poor call, and there were plenty of other poor calls.
But the other is opinion, as it stated in the rule. So in that DH refs opinion he would not have scored anyway.

99% of all refs are DH’s, 100% of the current one’s, trust me on this, I grew up with them in my fam.

We have to be better for a long time to change the unconscious bias of refs against us.
 
Bigscreentv said:
At the very least it should have been 10 in bin for Tuilagi hit. May too tough for own good and should have stayed down.

Tuilagi hip drop was rediculous. He then goes on to score the set after.

Should have been 10 in bin for Moses hit - can see how penalty try wasn’t given.

I was at the game and parra were constantly offside, slowing down play the ball on their line and we weren’t getting six agains.

The game is all about momentum. Those poor decisions gave parra momentum at key times. Could we have still won if we played better? Yes, but I think we wood have won of 2 of those 3 calls go out way.
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Which is why the club is stupid in playing our home game against them at Parramatta's stadium. The referees are not getting away with such decisions that easily at Leichhardt or Campbelltown.
 
NJLM78 said:
Two things they look at when it comes to these decisions - who is the player involved and who is the team. When you are a team well down the table, most of these decisions will never go in your way. And they know the Tigers wont question it or react after the game so it is soon forgotten.
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I get this when we play the better teams in the comp, but Parra are below us and have been playing crap all year. They weren’t a top team last season either, so this makes no sense.

I must admit I thought we might get a bit more respect from the refs this season with players like Luai & Api as our captains, but I was wrong.
 
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