Hit on Groat

[tigertye]

I thought it was a good tackle…..am I the only one? As someone mentioned, shoulder charges have yet to be outlawed. Also, have we forgotten Simon Dwyers great hit on Waerea-Hargreaves?

I'm with you 18th Man. Not worth anything but applause. As the above posts mention, if the NRL are serious then the shoulder charge needs to be outlawed.

I was at the game and yet to see the replay. Looked like a pretty decent hit to be honest. Replays will show either a shoulder that has slid up off the chest and hit the chin or he has just gone straight for the chin.

The JWH shot was high but only caused because at the last second he lowered his body for impact and copped a massive shoulder off Dwyer.

It looked like a similar sort of hit. And really just unlucky for Groat.

But like I said I haven't seen the full replay apart from the screen at the game.
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[Yossarian]

I liked Izotope's idea - a replacement (rather than interchange) for an 18th man if the injured player can't continue. Obviously if you did that the injured player couldn't come back on.

 

[foreveratiger]

i think there must be a system in place for all clubs, e.g you have 4 interchange players + 2 reserves , how it would work ? Groat can't continue so 1 of your reserves being Junior Moors takes Groat's position on the bench with Teo getting 5 minutes in the sin bin. we got disadvantaged tonight with one player less and Teo playing on.

 

[LaT]

Don't see how it was Groat's fault. He ran about 2 metres before Teo launched himself. Intent isn't the issue (you'd hope) but the bottom line is Teo made direct contact with Groat's head with his shoulder. He wasn't wrong-footed, it didn't slip up, he hit him flush on the jaw. Personally it was a send off for mine. If that was his wrist it would have been a send off, why should the shoulder be different?

Nobody said it was Groats fault.

 

[Demonborger]

Intent is not sufficient and it is possible to disguise intent.
Competency is what is the issue, it was an incompetent tackle from a professional

 

[Hit_or_Miss]

Intent is not sufficient and it is possible to disguise intent.
Competency is what is the issue, it was an incompetent tackle from a professional

Well said. It don't matter if you meant it. It's should be judged on "Did you do it"
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[Marshall_magic]

I think if someone goes on report and its deemed bad enough,**i reckon they should be off for 20 minutes or in this case teo goes off with groat and sits out as long as he does.**

I don't agree with that. What's stopping a team with a player that's A-Ok after a hit like that leaving the player off the field to keep a better opposition player off the field.

I do think a 5 minute sin binning for reportable offences is a fair outcome.

 

[Yossarian]

Don't see how it was Groat's fault. He ran about 2 metres before Teo launched himself. Intent isn't the issue (you'd hope) but the bottom line is Teo made direct contact with Groat's head with his shoulder. He wasn't wrong-footed, it didn't slip up, he hit him flush on the jaw. Personally it was a send off for mine. If that was his wrist it would have been a send off, why should the shoulder be different?

Nobody said it was Groats fault.

Sorry let me rephrase. I don't see how Groat "contributed" to the tackle…

 

[innsaneink]

Don't see how it was Groat's fault. He ran about 2 metres before Teo launched himself. Intent isn't the issue (you'd hope) but the bottom line is Teo made direct contact with Groat's head with his shoulder. He wasn't wrong-footed, it didn't slip up, he hit him flush on the jaw. Personally it was a send off for mine. If that was his wrist it would have been a send off, why should the shoulder be different?

So do you think Dwyer shouldve been sent for his shot on JWH?

Send off is over reaction big time imo….if anything its a careless act

 

[Yossarian]

I think if someone goes on report and its deemed bad enough,**i reckon they should be off for 20 minutes or in this case teo goes off with groat and sits out as long as he does.**

I don't agree with that. What's stopping a team with a player that's A-Ok after a hit like that leaving the player off the field to keep a better opposition player off the field.

I do think a 5 minute sin binning for reportable offences is a fair outcome.

Maybe the good player will stop clocking people in the head! These things are pretty closely watched on replay so it isn't easy to fake it. Besides if you smack someone in the melon you really can't complain too much…

 

[Centaur]

JWH fell into Dwyers tackle. Groat was running standing tall.

Copped it square on the chin. Extremely dangerous hit.
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[Yossarian]

Don't see how it was Groat's fault. He ran about 2 metres before Teo launched himself. Intent isn't the issue (you'd hope) but the bottom line is Teo made direct contact with Groat's head with his shoulder. He wasn't wrong-footed, it didn't slip up, he hit him flush on the jaw. Personally it was a send off for mine. If that was his wrist it would have been a send off, why should the shoulder be different?

So do you think Dwyer shouldve been sent for his shot on JWH?

Send off is over reaction big time imo….if anything its a careless act

Just my opinion Ink. As I said intent isn't the underlying issue for a send-off, careless is more than enough. Personally I think the Dwyer hit on JWH wasn't the same as tonight's hit. The contact to the head wasn't as flush, Dwyer didn't charge in like Teo did (from memory he was head on).

My point is you can't have people coming in like that and making contact in the head of other players and KOing them. And that goes for our players too. Players need protection.

 

[LaT]

Don't see how it was Groat's fault. He ran about 2 metres before Teo launched himself. Intent isn't the issue (you'd hope) but the bottom line is Teo made direct contact with Groat's head with his shoulder. He wasn't wrong-footed, it didn't slip up, he hit him flush on the jaw. Personally it was a send off for mine. If that was his wrist it would have been a send off, why should the shoulder be different?

Nobody said it was Groats fault.

Sorry let me rephrase. I don't see how Groat "contributed" to the tackle…

Ever wonder why Martin Lang copped so many head highs?

The way a player runs, his style or movement towards the defender can contribute.

Judiciary takes this into account all the time.

Nobody is saying Groat is 50% responsible though, but its a factor.

 

[dermo]

Just like to say, say what you want about Sam Thaiday (personally reckon hes a great player and enjoy his aggression) but it was great to see as soon as he realised Groat was out cold he started putting his neck in a stable position and called for the trainers straight away

 

[Yossarian]

Don't see how it was Groat's fault. He ran about 2 metres before Teo launched himself. Intent isn't the issue (you'd hope) but the bottom line is Teo made direct contact with Groat's head with his shoulder. He wasn't wrong-footed, it didn't slip up, he hit him flush on the jaw. Personally it was a send off for mine. If that was his wrist it would have been a send off, why should the shoulder be different?

Nobody said it was Groats fault.

Sorry let me rephrase. I don't see how Groat "contributed" to the tackle…

Ever wonder why Martin Lang copped so many head highs?

The way a player runs, his style or movement towards the defender can contribute.

Judiciary takes this into account all the time.

Nobody is saying Groat is 50% responsible though, but its a factor.

Martin Lang got tackles at head level at the defence line. Groat had barely got the ball or had time to react to anything - Teo just blindsided him. I really don't see the parallel myself.

If the judiciary consider it a mitigating factor, they're fools (IMO).

 

[innsaneink]

JWH fell into Dwyers tackle. Groat was running standing tall.

Copped it square on the chin. Extremely dangerous hit.
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Ah I think JWH was running too mate….actually he dropped his hip...not much difference if any at all....excepth the jesrseys worn of course

 

[Hit_or_Miss]

JWH fell into Dwyers tackle. Groat was running standing tall.

Copped it square on the chin. Extremely dangerous hit.
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Ah I think JWH was running too mate….not much difference if any at all....excepth the jesrseys worn of course

That tackle was the same as Teo's. As I mentioned before but can't find evidence I am certain it was a legal tackle in 2010\. Personally I think both tackles are illegal.
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[Cultured_Bogan]

I'm wondering how bad will it get before someone does cop a 10 minute stint… Looks like you could decapitate someone and get away get away with a penalty.

 

[tsjonathan]

I thought the hit was ok…

 

[Marshall_magic]

I think if someone goes on report and its deemed bad enough,**i reckon they should be off for 20 minutes or in this case teo goes off with groat and sits out as long as he does.**

I don't agree with that. What's stopping a team with a player that's A-Ok after a hit like that leaving the player off the field to keep a better opposition player off the field.

I do think a 5 minute sin binning for reportable offences is a fair outcome.

Maybe the good player will stop clocking people in the head! These things are pretty closely watched on replay so it isn't easy to fake it. Besides if you smack someone in the melon you really can't complain too much…

you can't make the penalty for the offending player depend on the injury dealt out in my opinion.