How pathetic is our club?

[hobbo]

This is a very alarming article player welfare issues are of major importance. Shows what a leader Halatau is great man. Tragedy can strike with depression we should know better than this. Taylor and reddy need to go now.

No they don't - you are just pushing your own agenda.

Halatau is a good bloke who all the players like - he is reasonably experienced in mentoring players - so I would have thought he was a good choice to have a chat and suss out the situation (i.e. more likely to open up to a playing mate than the coach) and report back as to the best approach to take.
I think he took the right approach.

Instead, it is Taylors fault no matter what he does.

He could win us 5 or 6 premierships and you guys would be saying if we had a good coach we would have won 10.

Haters love to hate

Are you related to him?

Gee in your eyes a Coach has nothing to do with this sort of situation?
For Sitaleki this is his livelihood and playing as a 5/8th in Reserve Grade, how confused do you think he would of felt and the concerns he would of had for his Career.
So you don't feel JT could of sat him down and encourage him in what areas he might need to work on to have any chance of maybe seeing 1st Grade.

Sounds like you have never had to deal with someone dealing with Mental Health issues

I reckon Russell is JT !
He was naive and desperate enough to call a Sydney radio station to explain himself and know he's posting on a forum :laughing:

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[king_sirro]

There would be 5 or 6 players at every single club that would feel this way. It's part of not being in the coaches plans and being played out of position. Happens everywhere.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

There would be 5 or 6 players at every single club that would feel this way. It's part of not being in the coaches plans and being played out of position. Happens everywhere.

Happens in all walks of life. Doesn't matter what you do for a living, when your future is not secured and you have responsibilities some people will go to extremes.

 

[MacDougall]

Seems like a bit of a dummy spit over being asked to play 6\. He should have just thought of it like a Fittler/Bird type of 6 and ran with it.

I am sure he has underlying issues and I would agree that having Halatau help him through it is not the worst idea but inversely it looks terrible on Taylor that Sita feels like that on top of Marty wanting to leave and Faalogo belting him. I wonder if Taylor and the polynesian boys don't get along well? Simona wasn't performing the best this season and Liolevave was overlooked in favour of Buchanan, Santi and Lovett… Does seem strange to me. Then there is the continued murmurs about him not rating Salesi Funaki. Letting Te Maire walk...

I would hope it isn't a racial thing.

 

[LCA]

How quickly Mosese's situation seems to be forgotten. I agree with the title of this post. If true on how Sitaleki was managed, this is a truly pathetic club.

 

[Flippedy]

What did you want him to do????

Who? Taylor? Well for a start, as head coach, how about approaching Akaoula himself, having a meaningful chat and finding out what the problems are and how the club can help him - you know, perhaps offering to discuss with the player and his coach about the best position to play him in or asking him if he would like some sort of professional help and providing it. You know, those sorts of things - it's not that hard really and I think that responsibility should lie with the head coach.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Wasn't Paul Fletcher his head coach?

 

[gallagher]

What did you want him to do????

Who? Taylor? Well for a start, as head coach, how about approaching Akaoula himself, having a meaningful chat and finding out what the problems are and how the club can help him - you know, perhaps offering to discuss with the player and his coach about the best position to play him in or asking him if he would like some sort of professional help and providing it. You know, those sorts of things - it's not that hard really and I think that responsibility should lie with the head coach.

Who says he didn't?

 

[NT_Tiger]

This is a very alarming article player welfare issues are of major importance. Shows what a leader Halatau is great man. Tragedy can strike with depression we should know better than this. Taylor and reddy need to go now.

No they don't - you are just pushing your own agenda.

Halatau is a good bloke who all the players like - he is reasonably experienced in mentoring players - so I would have thought he was a good choice to have a chat and suss out the situation (i.e. more likely to open up to a playing mate than the coach) and report back as to the best approach to take.
I think he took the right approach.

Instead, it is Taylors fault no matter what he does.

He could win us 5 or 6 premierships and you guys would be saying if we had a good coach we would have won 10.

Haters love to hate

Are you related to him?

Gee in your eyes a Coach has nothing to do with this sort of situation?
For Sitaleki this is his livelihood and playing as a 5/8th in Reserve Grade, how confused do you think he would of felt and the concerns he would of had for his Career.
So you don't feel JT could of sat him down and encourage him in what areas he might need to work on to have any chance of maybe seeing 1st Grade.

Sounds like you have never had to deal with someone dealing with Mental Health issues

In fairness, Taylor may have done that. The article didn't mention ayoub doing anything at all. Do we just assume he ignored him?

Geez the histrionics here. Gallagher is right, Taylor may well have been keeping an active interest in Akauola through Halatau.
Has anyone here actually led a team of men? Well I have. I've led field teams for close to 30 years in remote situations. Now and again somebody gets down or sick.
Sometimes I took a very active personal role in looking after people. On other occasions if the person had mates in the crew that were close and were looking after him I'd take a back seat. I'd trust their judgement and monitor as per JT above rather than barge in when others were closer and more likely to have a better personal link. Horses for courses.
If you have never been in those shoes shut the ….. up. You have no idea.

 

[marzie]

Wasn't Paul Fletcher his head coach?

Apart of the top 25

 

[Snake]

So a disgruntled player that the head coach did not fall all over and so happens to have the same manager as Farah is now putting the boot into the club …..like how many of these are in every club! All I get out of these articles is how wonderful Farah is ..maybe if the certain player put his head down and had a real dig things might be different ..The only PATHETIC thing here is Ayoub Farahs manager keep pushing Robbie you are looking a real GOOSE!

 

[gallagher]

Weidler had a good opportunity to write an article about what young kids go through to chase their career in the NRL. But he decided to make it a story about Farah's situation. He's a quality person isn't he.

 

[851]

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[851]

Geez the histrionics here. Gallagher is right, Taylor may well have been keeping an active interest in Akauola through Halatau.
Has anyone here actually led a team of men? Well I have. I've led field teams for close to 30 years in remote situations. Now and again somebody gets down or sick.
Sometimes I took a very active personal role in looking after people. On other occasions if the person had mates in the crew that were close and were looking after him I'd take a back seat. I'd trust their judgement and monitor as per JT above rather than barge in when others were closer and more likely to have a better personal link. Horses for courses.
If you have never been in those shoes shut the ….. up. You have no idea.

I would hardly call it histrionics when our club had a young guy commit suicide not that long ago, and I am in a job that requires serious monitoring of blokes mental state and well being, and I will stand by forevertigers comments.

 

[851]

I would hardly call it histrionics NT tiger when our club had a young guy commit suicide not that long ago, and I am in a job that requires serious monitoring of blokes mental state and well being, and I will stand by forevertigers comments.

 

[Newtown]

So a disgruntled player that the head coach did not fall all over and so happens to have the same manager as Farah is now putting the boot into the club …..like how many of these are in every club! All I get out of these articles is how wonderful Farah is ..maybe if the certain player put his head down and had a real dig things might be different ..The only PATHETIC thing here is Ayoub Farahs manager keep pushing Robbie you are looking a real GOOSE!

If Ayoub is in fact Sitaleki Akauola's manager it would certainly put into place a different perspective on this issue.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Wasn't Paul Fletcher his head coach?

The head coach in the club is Taylor, and head coach is where the buck stops when it comes to player coaching and welfare, not only first grade.
He does have a say in where people play and in most good clubs the coaches are involved at some level with all the players that are likely to eventually go to first grade. Having a situation such as this the responsibility is both the head coach and the team coach.
It's great they the players got involved, but The club should have got some professional help for him, there's been enough warnings about players mental health. It's nothing to be Just brushed off as trivial

 

[Flippedy]

What did you want him to do????

Who? Taylor? Well for a start, as head coach, how about approaching Akaoula himself, having a meaningful chat and finding out what the problems are and how the club can help him - you know, perhaps offering to discuss with the player and his coach about the best position to play him in or asking him if he would like some sort of professional help and providing it. You know, those sorts of things - it's not that hard really and I think that responsibility should lie with the head coach.

Who says he didn't?

Well great if he did, but the passage below doesn't indicate that Taylor had any one on one contact with Akaoula whatsoever. In fact, he says the players were concerned about him, not so much himself - that says a lot.

**_"I was lucky that I had Robbie at the club and Dene Halatau and Keith Galloway. They noticed a big change and Robbie just would come up and ask talk to me. Same as the other boys. "They knew something was wrong – but they didn't understand just how bad it was for me. I eventually saw my brother and just told him that I really needed to talk to him. I was really depressed and felt isolated."\
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Taylor says the club kept an eye on the young player.\
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"We monitored his situation through Dene Halatau," the coach said. "It wasn't an official thing but Dene would report back to me on his condition and it was something we kept an eye on because players were concerned about him."_**

 

[foreveratiger]

Geez the histrionics here. Gallagher is right, Taylor may well have been keeping an active interest in Akauola through Halatau.
Has anyone here actually led a team of men? Well I have. I've led field teams for close to 30 years in remote situations. Now and again somebody gets down or sick.
Sometimes I took a very active personal role in looking after people. On other occasions if the person had mates in the crew that were close and were looking after him I'd take a back seat. I'd trust their judgement and monitor as per JT above rather than barge in when others were closer and more likely to have a better personal link. Horses for courses.
If you have never been in those shoes shut the ….. up. You have no idea.

I would hardly call it histrionics when our club had a young guy commit suicide not that long ago, and I am in a job that requires serious monitoring of blokes mental state and well being, and I will stand by forevertigers comments.

You know where I'm coming from as you know my job obviously he doesn't. I'll just shut the…up his the pro in this.

 

[Ed_Reschs]

This is a very alarming article player welfare issues are of major importance. Shows what a leader Halatau is great man. Tragedy can strike with depression we should know better than this. Taylor and reddy need to go now.

No they don't - you are just pushing your own agenda.

Halatau is a good bloke who all the players like - he is reasonably experienced in mentoring players - so I would have thought he was a good choice to have a chat and suss out the situation (i.e. more likely to open up to a playing mate than the coach) and report back as to the best approach to take.
I think he took the right approach.

Instead, it is Taylors fault no matter what he does.

He could win us 5 or 6 premierships and you guys would be saying if we had a good coach we would have won 10.

Haters love to hate

Are you related to him?

Gee in your eyes a Coach has nothing to do with this sort of situation?
For Sitaleki this is his livelihood and playing as a 5/8th in Reserve Grade, how confused do you think he would of felt and the concerns he would of had for his Career.
So you don't feel JT could of sat him down and encourage him in what areas he might need to work on to have any chance of maybe seeing 1st Grade.

Sounds like you have never had to deal with someone dealing with Mental Health issues

The first grade coach has minimal contact with fringe lower graders. He employs staff to do this. Sounds like you have never had to deal with a rugby league club or a corporate entity for that matter

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